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The New South in 2015

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Moonbeam said:
I can walk and chew gum. The ad demonstrates what I have said over and over, that competition is hate. The winners have contempt for the losers and visa versa as seen in this thread. You would have to be profoundly naïve to give that ad a pass, in my opinion, and brain dead to have created it without awareness of the obvious implications.
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Stop drinking the bong water moonie. 🙂
 
Greenman said:
First guy crossing the line is gay. OP obviously has an issue with gay's.

Go spread your intolerance elsewhere.
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lol +1

brycejones said:
Probably a no-win situation no matter how the picture was staged. If the woman and the black man had been winning someone would have bitched about political correctness, quotas, and reverse discrimination.

At some point we do need to get over this shit.
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Amen.
 
So let me get this straight. Black man is dressed exactly the same as two white guys only the sports coat is missing? Ya, that sounds like racism to me.
 
brycejones said:
Stop drinking the bong water moonie. 🙂
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One gets that a lot among the competitive who can't keep up. Let's see if we can stop the conversation by calling him drug addled. Why not take a bull horn down town and announce to the world you don't have anything. Maybe you're in a drunken stupor. 🙂
 
Moonbeam said:
One gets that a lot among the competitive who can't keep up. Let's see if we can stop the conversation by calling him drug addled. Why not take a bull horn down town and announce to the world you don't have anything. Maybe you're in a drunken stupor. 🙂
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You didn't have anything to start with. I'm liberal, find this poor optics, but a distraction from addressing poverty and opportunity for every one regardless of race.

Now if someone can show that po-dunk U who put this out actually treated women and minorities differently and this was an accurate representation of how the university viewed the world then we can have a different conversation.
 
I love how people are ignoring historical context of the photo.

White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth.

Just suggesting we move away from that model. I suspect if either of the last place finishers of the race reviewed the photo before publishing it would have been altered.
 
HomerJS said:
I love how people are ignoring historical context of the photo.

White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth.

Just suggesting we move away from that model. I suspect if either of the last place finishers of the race reviewed the photo before publishing it would have been altered.
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I think we need to make everything about race.
 
You might think that this is no big deal, but this is what racism looks like today. For the most part the burning of crosses on front lawn's is gone and has been replaced by a consistent message from all levels of society that if you are a minority you are going to lose. That white men are simply better than you.

This is the literal message of that image.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I think we need to make everything about race.
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You make things about race the moment you react to something with the idea that somebody is making something about race that you think isn't about race. Who are you to tell others who may have experienced deep racism all their lives, who live with the results of racism against blacks, say for centuries, who may have grown up poor and disadvantaged, simply because of those centuries of racism, what racism does or doesn't look like to them. What difference does it make what the person who made that magazine cover was thinking or feeling when making it, whether he or she, himself or herself, was a racist. Racism IS a context that pervades American culture, the damage is everywhere to be seen. You aren't going to step over it by lofty proclamations. Millions of folk out there have been emotionally traumatized by it and still suffer. You and brycejones there need to get off your fucking high horses. Unlike you, he hasn't even lived through poverty and wants to wave people's life experience away.

It's pitiful to me that you don't seem to see the destruction that competition creates, the implications of a race between folk of different genders and race, the disgusting egotistical lusting for winning and the terror and demoralization of defeat. Competition is hate, it is caused by and results in hate. All comparisons of oneself to others are grounded in self hate, the hidden truth that we feel we do not measure up.

Racism is baked into the American cake. There is only one answer to racism and it isn't the pabulum you two preach. There is only one thing you can do about racism and it's to eliminate your own self hate. Good luck with that, not even slightly aware that it what you really feel.

You want to compete. Here's one for you. I know more about you two than you will ever know about yourselves.
 
CZroe said:
The ROOT of bigotry is failing to judge individuals on their own merits and choosing to condemn collectively for what you perceive them to be.
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Yup, no matter which "side" you perceive the world from. The south gets a lot of flak, but having grown up in the south, its really no worse than anywhere else I've been. The only ones I see that are racist are old people and insecure young men.
 
Moonbeam said:
You make things about race the moment you react to something with the idea that somebody is making something about race that you think isn't about race. Who are you to tell others who may have experienced deep racism all their lives, who live with the results of racism against blacks, say for centuries, who may have grown up poor and disadvantaged, simply because of those centuries of racism, what racism does or doesn't look like to them. What difference does it make what the person who made that magazine cover was thinking or feeling when making it, whether he or she, himself or herself, was a racist. Racism IS a context that pervades American culture, the damage is everywhere to be seen. You aren't going to step over it by lofty proclamations. Millions of folk out there have been emotionally traumatized by it and still suffer. You and brycejones there need to get off your fucking high horses. Unlike you, he hasn't even lived through poverty and wants to wave people's life experience away.

It's pitiful to me that you don't seem to see the destruction that competition creates, the implications of a race between folk of different genders and race, the disgusting egotistical lusting for winning and the terror and demoralization of defeat. Competition is hate, it is caused by and results in hate. All comparisons of oneself to others are grounded in self hate, the hidden truth that we feel we do not measure up.

Racism is baked into the American cake. There is only one answer to racism and it isn't the pabulum you two preach. There is only one thing you can do about racism and it's to eliminate your own self hate. Good luck with that, not even slightly aware that it what you really feel.

You want to compete. Here's one for you. I know more about you two than you will ever know about yourselves.
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All I know is that I feel quite a bit of hate in your post.
 
Subyman said:
Yup, no matter which "side" you perceive the world from. The south gets a lot of flak, but having grown up in the south, its really no worse than anywhere else I've been. The only ones I see that are racist are old people and insecure young men.
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I've done a bit of travelling most everywhere in the US and I believe that the South is definitely more racist. I remember hiring a black women engineer for our Dallas office about 20 years ago and they had a conniption saying we can't send her to our clients in TX, NM, OK, LA, AR as she wouldn't be received well. I know times have changed for the better, but it's going to take a lot longer for the South I fear.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I've done a bit of travelling most everywhere in the US and I believe that the South is definitely more racist. I remember hiring a black women engineer for our Dallas office about 20 years ago and they had a conniption saying we can't send her to our clients in TX, NM, OK, LA, AR as she wouldn't be received well. I know times have changed for the better, but it's going to take a lot longer for the South I fear.
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I guess we've had different experiences. I've lived in Atlanta, Savannah, northern IL, and southern IL. The only place I've felt palpable racism was Oxford Mississippi, and that is a super entitled frat town.
 
Moonbeam said:
You make things about race the moment you react to something with the idea that somebody is making something about race that you think isn't about race. Who are you to tell others who may have experienced deep racism all their lives, who live with the results of racism against blacks, say for centuries, who may have grown up poor and disadvantaged, simply because of those centuries of racism, what racism does or doesn't look like to them. What difference does it make what the person who made that magazine cover was thinking or feeling when making it, whether he or she, himself or herself, was a racist. Racism IS a context that pervades American culture, the damage is everywhere to be seen. You aren't going to step over it by lofty proclamations. Millions of folk out there have been emotionally traumatized by it and still suffer. You and brycejones there need to get off your fucking high horses. Unlike you, he hasn't even lived through poverty and wants to wave people's life experience away.

It's pitiful to me that you don't seem to see the destruction that competition creates, the implications of a race between folk of different genders and race, the disgusting egotistical lusting for winning and the terror and demoralization of defeat. Competition is hate, it is caused by and results in hate. All comparisons of oneself to others are grounded in self hate, the hidden truth that we feel we do not measure up.

Racism is baked into the American cake. There is only one answer to racism and it isn't the pabulum you two preach. There is only one thing you can do about racism and it's to eliminate your own self hate. Good luck with that, not even slightly aware that it what you really feel.

You want to compete. Here's one for you. I know more about you two than you will ever know about yourselves.
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I think this is a blind spot on a forum that is mostly white, male, and middle to upper middle class. Even in cases where racism is obvious and blatant any mention of it is met with heavy resistance. Hell, even after that damning report about Ferguson you had people saying it wasn't a big deal, and that's about as obvious a case as you'll ever see of systemic racism.

If you can't get some people to even acknowledge that, how do you possibly hope to get them to understand the lower level racism that pervades society?
 
Subyman said:
I guess we've had different experiences. I've lived in Atlanta, Savannah, northern IL, and southern IL. The only place I've felt palpable racism was Oxford Mississippi, and that is a super entitled frat town.
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Then I must assume you're black. Whites have become pretty adept at hiding their racism in general and especially when in black company. With me being white, they are more "trusting" to show it.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
Then I must assume you're black. Whites have become pretty adept at hiding their racism in general and especially when in black company. With me being white, they are more "trusting" to show it.
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Nope, I'm a white dude. Sure, I've heard racism, more than I'd ever like to hear. No doubt. My original point was that I didn't notice a difference in the amount of racism from living in the north vs the south.
 
Subyman said:
Nope, I'm a white dude. Sure, I've heard racism, more than I'd ever like to hear. No doubt. My original point was that I didn't notice a difference in the amount of racism from living in the north vs the south.
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In my experience the racism in the north is very much there, it's just less overt than in the south. Maybe the southern way is better because at least then you know who the racists are.
 
This thread demonstrates the exact reason we still have much of our race issues today. Stupid shits finding racist issues where there are none, like in this picture.

This thread is stupid.
 
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