The Mueller interview notes

[Moonbeam]

My conclusions don't matter. If the evidence is all right there, why didn't the democrat controlled congress take action? They jumped on the Ukraine deal quick enough, why didn't they act on the collusion charge?

Impeachment is a political act. Bush should have been impeached for sending us into war with Iraq on trumped up WoMD charges. Everyone who voted to go should have been removed from office. It makes no sense at all to ask why ones personal dreams don't come true. Humanity is asleep and reality is the operative dream.

 

[Greenman]

You're not getting it, apparently by design. Mueller says "This is what I was told". The GOP says "show me the actual testimony". Barr says "You can't have it, because reasons. Sue me, assholes". And here we are.

It still doesn't make any sense to me at all. Bob and his team know what all of the background information is, they have all of it, why are they withholding it? If there was clear evidence of collusion, why was it omitted from the report, but the possible obstruction information included? Bob Muller sat in front of congress and could have spilled anything he had, but refused to go outside the bounds of what he wrote in the report, why would he do that?

You're sold on the idea that I'm defending Trump, that's incorrect. What I'm doing is looking for some logic, some consistency in the story. What I'm hearing now is that it all pivots on Bob Muller, that for reasons we don't seem to understand he omitted critical information from his report and refused to give that information in testimony before congress. That information is the entire reason he was hired, gathering that information took nearly two years to acquire and cost the taxpayers millions and we're to believe that Bob Muller decided that he couldn't mention it while sitting before congress and testifying under oath?
I can see Barr withholding it, I don't see how bar could force Muller to keep his mouth shut if critical information was withheld.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Everyone who voted to go should have been removed from office.

Agreed.

 

[hal2kilo]

It still doesn't make any sense to me at all. Bob and his team know what all of the background information is, they have all of it, why are they withholding it? If there was clear evidence of collusion, why was it omitted from the report, but the possible obstruction information included? Bob Muller sat in front of congress and could have spilled anything he had, but refused to go outside the bounds of what he wrote in the report, why would he do that?

You're sold on the idea that I'm defending Trump, that's incorrect. What I'm doing is looking for some logic, some consistency in the story. What I'm hearing now is that it all pivots on Bob Muller, that for reasons we don't seem to understand he omitted critical information from his report and refused to give that information in testimony before congress. That information is the entire reason he was hired, gathering that information took nearly two years to acquire and cost the taxpayers millions and we're to believe that Bob Muller decided that he couldn't mention it while sitting before congress and testifying under oath?
I can see Barr withholding it, I don't see how bar could force Muller to keep his mouth shut if critical information was withheld.

You're just upset because you finally realize you've been had.

 

[VRAMdemon]

For the Lulz...

"Bannon first met Trump in August of 2010. Their first meeting was approximately 2 hours long. David Bossie was present and said that Trump was thinking of running for president in 2012. Bannon said 'for what country?'"

 

[outriding]

So Barr wouldn't do it, why didn't congress grab the ball and run with it?
I don't think Trump is senile, I think he just says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He may have suffered a stroke at some point, but that's different than senile.

Hahahahaha. A fox “news” host says mueller is senile with no facts. Hmmm. Just like you

Weiterleitungshinweis

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Fox News host Mark Levin suggested, without any evidence, that he believed former special counsel Robert Mueller could have "onset dementia,"

 

[Jhhnn]

It still doesn't make any sense to me at all. Bob and his team know what all of the background information is, they have all of it, why are they withholding it? If there was clear evidence of collusion, why was it omitted from the report, but the possible obstruction information included? Bob Muller sat in front of congress and could have spilled anything he had, but refused to go outside the bounds of what he wrote in the report, why would he do that?

You're sold on the idea that I'm defending Trump, that's incorrect. What I'm doing is looking for some logic, some consistency in the story. What I'm hearing now is that it all pivots on Bob Muller, that for reasons we don't seem to understand he omitted critical information from his report and refused to give that information in testimony before congress. That information is the entire reason he was hired, gathering that information took nearly two years to acquire and cost the taxpayers millions and we're to believe that Bob Muller decided that he couldn't mention it while sitting before congress and testifying under oath?
I can see Barr withholding it, I don't see how bar could force Muller to keep his mouth shut if critical information was withheld.

Please. Mueller is a Marine. He follows the chain of command & the constraints he is given. He kicked it upstairs because he sees it as above his pay grade. It's not about why Mueller did or didn't meet your expectations, anyway. He's out of the picture at this point. It's Barr, not Mueller, who has the authority. Mueller wrote the report to give it to the AG, and he did.

 

[Greenman]

You're just upset because you finally realize you've been had.

I actually don't have strong feelings one way or the other. If Trump colluded with Russia he needs to go, if he didn't then he stays. Personally I don't like him, he's an embarrassment to the office he holds, a loudmouth and a narcissist. There just isn't anything there to admire.
I question a lot of the charges leveled at him because they seem to be inconsistent. Most here are absolutely convinced he's a criminal that should be behind bars, and that may be correct, so the question is the same. Why didn't congress act? Why wasn't Muller pushed into revealing everything he knows? Lets darg everything out and have a look at it.

 

[Greenman]

Hahahahaha. A fox “news” host says mueller is senile with no facts. Hmmm. Just like you

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

Fox News host Mark Levin suggested, without any evidence, that he believed former special counsel Robert Mueller could have "onset dementia,"

I said it because of his performance in congress. The man stumbled over simple questions, seemed confused and very unsure of what he was saying. I think he's slipping.

 

[hal2kilo]

Finally, the public gets to see the mindfuck job Barr did to the people of this country. Summary report my ass. This will move the needle of the independents, and if there are any sane Republicans left.

 

[Jhhnn]

I actually don't have strong feelings one way or the other. If Trump colluded with Russia he needs to go, if he didn't then he stays. Personally I don't like him, he's an embarrassment to the office he holds, a loudmouth and a narcissist. There just isn't anything there to admire.
I question a lot of the charges leveled at him because they seem to be inconsistent. Most here are absolutely convinced he's a criminal that should be behind bars, and that may be correct, so the question is the same. Why didn't congress act? Why wasn't Muller pushed into revealing everything he knows? Lets darg everything out and have a look at it.

Congress *is* acting. Barr & Trump forced them to go to the Judiciary to get the documentation & testimony required & we're nowhere near the end of that.

Trump needs to go for a lot of reasons. If there's anything that can bring it about before the election, this isn't it. The Ukraine affair may be. It's something people can readily understand to be both illegal and immoral.

 

[Jhhnn]

I actually don't have strong feelings one way or the other. If Trump colluded with Russia he needs to go, if he didn't then he stays. Personally I don't like him, he's an embarrassment to the office he holds, a loudmouth and a narcissist. There just isn't anything there to admire.
I question a lot of the charges leveled at him because they seem to be inconsistent. Most here are absolutely convinced he's a criminal that should be behind bars, and that may be correct, so the question is the same. Why didn't congress act? Why wasn't Muller pushed into revealing everything he knows? Lets darg everything out and have a look at it.

Congress *is* acting. Barr & Trump forced them to go to the Judiciary to get the documentation & testimony required & we're nowhere near the end of that.

Trump needs to go for a lot of reasons. If there's anything that can bring it about before the election, this isn't it. The Ukraine affair may be. It's something people can readily understand to be both illegal and immoral.

 

[mikeymikec]

Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.

I'm curious - was I the only one who - while reading this post - was increasingly expecting a comment that revealed the main content to be satirical?

 

[Perknose]

God save me from ever being in a position where adherence to my own personal imperatives would require compromise to help stave off some 'potential' threat to the nation based on the fact that others will act with no such compulsion to any sort of personal honor, like the Republican party is easily able to do these days.

Indeed. And, in the wake of Muellers blind, stubborn adherence to small scale "by the book" protocol, which assumes the honor and good will of his superiors, all the while shrinking from what so many of us see as a clear and present HIGHER DUTY to our nation and its constitution as a whole, God save us all.

 

[fskimospy]

Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.

I’m genuinely confused as why you continue to lie about the report’s findings.

It provides extremely strong evidence of collusion between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government. That can’t be denied.

 

[Greenman]

I’m genuinely confused as why you continue to lie about the report’s findings.

It provides extremely strong evidence of collusion between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government. That can’t be denied.

So the democratic house decided to ignore the evidence of collusion with Russia. Why did they do that? They have the report with the extremely strong evidence, why didn't Nancy announce impeachment proceedings the day after they received ample evidence of collusion?
You're calling me a liar because I've pointed out that the house didn't act. Congress couldn't find the evidence you say is right there in black and white. Do I accept the actions of congress or the word of a guy on the internet?

 

[soulcougher73]

So the democratic house decided to ignore the evidence of collusion with Russia. Why did they do that? They have the report with the extremely strong evidence, why didn't Nancy announce impeachment proceedings the day after they received ample evidence of collusion?
You're calling me a liar because I've pointed out that the house didn't act. Congress couldn't find the evidence you say is right there in black and white. Do I accept the actions of congress or the word of a guy on the internet?

Try post 15 once again.

 

[Stryke1983]

So the democratic house decided to ignore the evidence of collusion with Russia. Why did they do that? They have the report with the extremely strong evidence, why didn't Nancy announce impeachment proceedings the day after they received ample evidence of collusion?
You're calling me a liar because I've pointed out that the house didn't act. Congress couldn't find the evidence you say is right there in black and white. Do I accept the actions of congress or the word of a guy on the internet?

Please stop pretending to misunderstand. It's quite obvious that impeachment can't happen until enough Republicans and their voters have run out of excuses for Trump. Collusion between Trump's close relatives, high level members of his campaign, high level members of his administration and Russian agents is documented. We have a wide variety of emails and other recorded statements from the culprits proving their actions. We have a wide variety of recorded statements demonstrating obstruction of justice. Both the collusion and the obstruction are grounds for impeachment. At that point the Republicans were still willing to overlook the crimes in order to maintain power.

He's now done it again with the Ukraine. The difference now is that the sheer amount of fuckups is pushing more people to their limit, therefore impeachment is now becoming a possibility. It's not that the Trump campaign's collusion with a hostile foreign power and subsequent obstruction of justice wasn't an impeachable offence. It's that more time and fuckups were needed for Republicans to start wondering how far they are willing to go to defend the indefensible.

 

[mect]

So the democratic house decided to ignore the evidence of collusion with Russia. Why did they do that? They have the report with the extremely strong evidence, why didn't Nancy announce impeachment proceedings the day after they received ample evidence of collusion?
You're calling me a liar because I've pointed out that the house didn't act. Congress couldn't find the evidence you say is right there in black and white. Do I accept the actions of congress or the word of a guy on the internet?

She's explained the reason why several times. For the same reason Dems almost didn't push for impeachment following the Ukraine fiasco. Because they know that the senate isn't going to do anything, and up until now impeachment wasn't a very popular position among voters. Even now with Ukraine, republicans still won't do anything, and we're just barely approaching 50% supporting impeachment. It's just that with two of the biggest corruption scandals happening within a single term of a single president, Dems have finally decided they have to move forward with impeachment, even if it might be a political liability for them.

 

[fskimospy]

So the democratic house decided to ignore the evidence of collusion with Russia. Why did they do that? They have the report with the extremely strong evidence, why didn't Nancy announce impeachment proceedings the day after they received ample evidence of collusion?
You're calling me a liar because I've pointed out that the house didn't act. Congress couldn't find the evidence you say is right there in black and white. Do I accept the actions of congress or the word of a guy on the internet?

It doesn’t matter what Congress does. You have already had it pointed out to you in black and white.

I’m saying your claim that the Mueller report showed no evidence of collusion is a lie based on the plain text and nothing else. If you want to rebut that I’m open but use the text of the report and nothing else.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Indeed. And, in the wake of Muellers blind, stubborn adherence to small scale "by the book" protocol, which assumes the honor and good will of his superiors, all the while shrinking from what so many of us see as a clear and present HIGHER DUTY to our nation and its constitution as a whole, God save us all.

What did you want him to do? If anything, his by the book adherence to the rules is why the Democrats now have a credible argument for impeachment.

 

[Jhhnn]

What happened is that Bill Barr rode to the rescue for Trump. He's a true propaganda artiste of the highest order & a disgrace to his office.

 

[Moonbeam]

Indeed. And, in the wake of Muellers blind, stubborn adherence to small scale "by the book" protocol, which assumes the honor and good will of his superiors, all the while shrinking from what so many of us see as a clear and present HIGHER DUTY to our nation and its constitution as a whole, God save us all.

I decided I was unable to judge what his assumptions were and what might really be the higher and lower duty. My feeling is that with the passage of time and emotional entanglements, he will look much better in hindsight.

 

[Perknose]

I decided I was unable to judge... [...] My feeling is that with the passage of time and emotional entanglements, he will look much better in hindsight.

That sounds like a judgement to me.

 

[zinfamous]

Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.

There wasn't a lack of evidence, as he clearly laid it out in his report.

I wonder why you continue to perpetuate this clear falsehood about the contents of the report. Is this intentional or do you honestly not understand the mandate that he accepted and how that context determined his findings?

 

[Moonbeam]

That sounds like a judgement to me.

It was...to withdraw a judgment I had previously made as a result of further consideration. I thought about it alot because he made me angry and I wondered what that was all about. Well I know the what, but the why makes me wonder. I smelled sacred cows.