The Mueller interview notes

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Nothing to see here, just the final nail in the coffin for the idea that the Trump campaign were unwitting beneficiaries of hacked Hillary/DNC emails from Russia—they were actively seeking them out.


President Donald Trump and other top 2016 Trump campaign officials repeatedly privately discussed how the campaign could get access to stolen Democratic emails WikiLeaks had in 2016, according to newly released interview notes from Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation.

CNN sued the Justice Department for access to Mueller's witness interview notes, and this weekend's release marks the first publicly available behind-the-scenes look at Mueller's investigative work outside of court proceedings and the report itself. Per a judge's order, the Justice Department will continue to release new tranches of the Mueller investigative notes monthly to CNN and Buzzfeed News, which also sued for them.

"[Rick] Gates recalled a time on the campaign aircraft when candidate Trump said, 'get the emails.' [Michael] Flynn said he could use his intelligence sources to obtain the emails,"
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"Gates said Donald Trump Jr. would ask where the emails were in family meetings. Michael Flynn, [Jared] Kushner, [Paul] Manafort, [Redacted] [Corey] Lewandowski, Jeff Sessions, and Sam Clovis expressed interest in obtaining the emails as well. Gates said the priority focuses of the Trump campaign opposition research team were Clinton's emails and contributions to the Clinton Foundation. Flynn, [Redacted] [Jeff] Sessions, Kushner, and [Donald] Trump Jr. were all focused on opposition topics," Gates told investigators, according to the interview summary.

Read the full release here: https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/02/politics/mueller-investigation-notes/index.html

Fox News host Sean Hannity also makes several appearances in the interview notes, fleshing out just how entwined the primetime TV personality had become with the Trump political operation in 2016.
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Manafort, according to the released documents, also emailed Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and others three days before the 2016 presidential election, saying Manafort had briefed Hannity.

From BuzzFeed: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/mueller-report-secret-memos-1

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said in June 2016 that the group had an upcoming email leak related to Hillary Clinton. After that, Manafort instructed Gates to “periodically call” someone whose name is redacted from the documents “to check in on where the information was and when it would be coming,” Gates told the FBI.
 

Perknose

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But "no collusion", right? Absent a clear and direct and unambiguous condemnation of their actions, anyone could have absolutely known how Trump & Co. would play the report.

Bob Mueller let us all down. He let his country down.
 

Greenman

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But "no collusion", right? Absent a clear and direct and unambiguous condemnation of their actions, anyone could have absolutely known how Trump & Co. would play the report.

Bob Mueller let us all down. He let his country down.
Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.
 

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Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.

Mueller was there to present facts and not opinion. It was congress or the DOJ to take those facts and determine if they should proceed.

But since Barr refuses to go after a sitting president

BTW. I don’t think anyone called Mueller senile and it is odd you don’t call trump that and worse
 

Perknose

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Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.
Mueller is not senile. He is apparently hard of hearing, though. I'd like to see how you (or I) would do under the lights and cameras in such a pressure cooker environment.

As for the evidence, IT WAS ALL THERE IN THE REPORT. You trying to claim it wasn't is fundamentally dishonest. What was needed was for the editorial conclusions based on all that evidence to have been more forcefully and straightforwardly stated, so that determined apologists like yourself couldn't pretend it wasn't there.

To compare his Russian connection with the Benghazi Bullshit should be beneath anyone. That it is not is a sad reflection on Trump the Liar, the Republican establishment that won't break with his lies, and all the followers and apologists who swallow them whole.
 

Greenman

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Mueller was there to present facts and not opinion. It was congress or the DOJ to take those facts and determine if they should proceed.

But since Barr refuses to go after a sitting president

BTW. I don’t think anyone called Mueller senile and it is odd you don’t call trump that and worse
So Barr wouldn't do it, why didn't congress grab the ball and run with it?
I don't think Trump is senile, I think he just says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He may have suffered a stroke at some point, but that's different than senile.
 

Greenman

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Mueller is not senile. He is apparently hard of hearing, though. I'd like to see how you (or I) would do under the lights and cameras in such a pressure cooker environment.

As for the evidence, IT WAS ALL THERE IN THE REPORT. You trying to claim it wasn't is fundamentally dishonest. What was needed was for the editorial conclusions based on all that evidence to have been more forcefully and straightforwardly stated, so that determined apologists like yourself couldn't pretend it wasn't there.

To compare his Russian connection with the Benghazi Bullshit should be beneath anyone. That it is not is a sad reflection on Trump the Liar, the Republican establishment that won't break with his lies, and all the followers and apologists who swallow them whole.
My conclusions don't matter. If the evidence is all right there, why didn't the democrat controlled congress take action? They jumped on the Ukraine deal quick enough, why didn't they act on the collusion charge?
 

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Bannon to Kushner talking about Paul Manafort three days before the 2016 election: “they are going to try and say the Russians worked with wiki leaks to give this victory to us... can’t let word get out he is advising us.”

Empty Wheel's running analysis of the documents:


Anyone who actually reads the Mueller report understands how devastating it is and how corrupt William Barr is to have misrepresented its contents.

I've often wondered how Mueller feels about having the big knife slipped between his ribs by his "friend." The Mueller report is a very damning document, borne of an Herculean effort revealing not only the total corruption of Trump, but many of those who work within his sphere of influence.

Here is a good, easy-to-understand distillation of what was learned from the first FOIA release of the unredacted 302s from Mueller's report

President Donald Trump clamored for the speedy release of emails hacked from Democrats during the 2016 election campaign, and a top Trump aide promoted the idea that Ukraine, rather than Russia, was behind the cyber attack, documents from special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe showed on Saturday.

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Gates told investigators the RNC had “non-public information” about the timing of the release of the emails on website WikiLeaks but did not identify who at the RNC knew this information. The RNC has not commented on the documents’ release.

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The documents also include email correspondence between Bannon and Jared Kushner, Trump’s adviser and son in law, as well as a “proposal to obtain” and analyze emails belonging to Clinton, which was sent to Bannon by conservative activist and former congressional staffer Barbara Ledeen.

As suspected, it appears the RNC was far more involved in the Russian subversion of the 2016 election than has been publicly known before.

It's also worth remembering that Trump has been asserting all along that Manafort only worked for the campaign for a few months, he barely knew him, he wasn't that important, and so on. Clearly Manafort was hanging around the campaign a lot longer than that.
 

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everybody is corrupt so why not.
Yup! Do unto others what you 'know' they want to do to you, but beat them to it. Anything else is just something to mouth at church. That bull shit is what you want the other to believe so you can get an edge. ' We know' who the only real God is and why we seek his ring.
 

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My conclusions don't matter. If the evidence is all right there, why didn't the democrat controlled congress take action? They jumped on the Ukraine deal quick enough, why didn't they act on the collusion charge?


Lol...by your replies, as of today, I think we know what your "conclusions" are. But, thanks to buzzfeed News suing the US government (And winning) for the right to see all the work that Mueller’s team kept secret. You will have monthly installments of documents for the next 8 years to draw those "conclusions". The truth will come out.

 

Jhhnn

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Mueller is senile. Did you watch him stumble his way through the hearings? The reason he refused to answer any questions beyond the information in his report is because he couldn't.
That his team couldn't produce the verdict you wanted isn't a reflection on Mueller, or a failure by any means, it reflects the lack of evidence. The Russian connection was Trump's Benghazi.

I'd be ashamed to lay out that kind of bullshit. What happened is that Trump found his Roy Cohn in Bill Barr. Mueller's report is a summary, not the actual evidence itself. Barr has denied the actual evidence, the underlying testimony & documentation, to Congress. They've made every claim under the sun to keep it that way and will continue that way so long as the judiciary allows it to continue.
 

Greenman

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Lol...by your replies, as of today, I think we know what your "conclusions" are. But, thanks to buzzfeed News suing the US government (And winning) for the right to see all the work that Mueller’s team kept secret. You will have monthly installments of documents for the next 8 years to draw those "conclusions". The truth will come out.

My conclusions are that there was an investigation and no action taken. A few of you fellows seem to believe that there was conclusive evidence of collusion in Mueller's report, why did congress ignore it? I ask that question because that's what my opinion pivots on.
Why did the democrat controlled congress not act on the information contained in the report? It's a simple question.
 

Jhhnn

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My conclusions are that there was an investigation and no action taken. A few of you fellows seem to believe that there was conclusive evidence of collusion in Mueller's report, why did congress ignore it? I ask that question because that's what my opinion pivots on.
Why did the democrat controlled congress not act on the information contained in the report? It's a simple question.

You're going on like a petulant toddler who keeps asking Why? no matter what explanation is offered.
 
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My conclusions are that there was an investigation and no action taken. A few of you fellows seem to believe that there was conclusive evidence of collusion in Mueller's report, why did congress ignore it? I ask that question because that's what my opinion pivots on.
Why did the democrat controlled congress not act on the information contained in the report? It's a simple question.

answered in post 15
 

Greenman

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I'd be ashamed to lay out that kind of bullshit. What happened is that Trump found his Roy Cohn in Bill Barr. Mueller's report is a summary, not the actual evidence itself. Barr has denied the actual evidence, the underlying testimony & documentation, to Congress. They've made every claim under the sun to keep it that way and will continue that way so long as the judiciary allows it to continue.
Finally an answer. I was under the impression that the report listed actionable information. The obstruction accusations were fairly clear, though ignored. I don't understand why Bob would leave out the smoking gun. Unless he's senile.
 
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Finally an answer. I was under the impression that the report listed actionable information. The obstruction accusations were fairly clear, though ignored. I don't understand why Bob would leave out the smoking gun. Unless he's senile.

Senile is your go to answer? Not because they want to hide or cover up the corruption?
 

Jhhnn

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Finally an answer. I was under the impression that the report listed actionable information. The obstruction accusations were fairly clear, though ignored. I don't understand why Bob would leave out the smoking gun. Unless he's senile.

You're not getting it, apparently by design. Mueller says "This is what I was told". The GOP says "show me the actual testimony". Barr says "You can't have it, because reasons. Sue me, assholes". And here we are.
 
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But "no collusion", right? Absent a clear and direct and unambiguous condemnation of their actions, anyone could have absolutely known how Trump & Co. would play the report.

Bob Mueller let us all down. He let his country down.
I am not so sure about this. I have believed for a long time that this is exactly what he did, put on blinders as to what the evidence actually implied, guilty of actionable criminal offense of the kind that got others involved sent to prison, because of an inner belief that he was personally bound, integrity bound, by a DOJ ruling that the President can't be indited while in office. I have believed that binding oneself to what is only a DOJ legal opinion was a bad moral decision. It allowed Barr to falsely taint the results. But what Mueller did do as I now reflect back on it was to maintain absolute and unimpeachable professional political duty in the presentation of his evidence. He let the evidence speak for itself even if only those with ears to hear can actually hear it.

We can say whatever we want about Mueller, that he was a traitor, that he found no guilt, but what we don't hear is that he delivered his report with personal political bias. I wonder if that may be transcendent to everything else in a historical saga yet to unfold. His report was a recording of facts that could be established. Whatever the historical judgment of Mueller himself turns out to be, it will not be that he violated his own sense of honor.

God save me from ever being in a position where adherence to my own personal imperatives would require compromise to help stave off some 'potential' threat to the nation based on the fact that others will act with no such compulsion to any sort of personal honor, like the Republican party is easily able to do these days.
 

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My conclusions don't matter. If the evidence is all right there, why didn't the democrat controlled congress take action? They jumped on the Ukraine deal quick enough, why didn't they act on the collusion charge?
The WH is blocking Congress from receiving the evidence Mueller and his team compiled. You know this, so why are you acting like you don't?