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fskimospy

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That makes no sense at all. Are you suggesting that Hitler spontaneously decided to kill himself, and no 'political violence' was involved in bringing him to that point? WW2 was an entirely peaceful process?

This is a ridiculous debate. Not everyone faces death for participating in a failed coup. Hitler's Putsch is proof of this. I'm done.
 

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Hos point wasn't that everyone is executed for failed coups, it was that everyone SHOULD be executed/jailed for failed coups. Hitler wasn't and it led directly to WWII and millions of deaths. You didn't disprove his point, you made it for him.

Not everyone who engages in a coup is executed. Period. I don't care for your reasons why they weren't. The end result is all that matters. They were not executed.

And Trump is not going to be executed for his insurrection either.

I have no idea why you want to argue over a historical incident that is more than 80 years old while most folks, such as myself, are concerned with the present and their futures.

I'm a Democrat because I believe all are equal, have the same rights and should have a voice. It's most unfortunate there are so many who oppose those beliefs.
 

cytg111

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I despise AOC. She's so phony she faked being handcuffed.
What is phony about her? To my mind she is in the group of 1% that is NOT phony. I would say phony is taking big money and going against your own constituents interests. I'd call lying phony. I'd call saying one thing then doing another phony. I'd call "Roe is settled law" phony. I'd call a lot of things phony. McConnell "not in an election year". Manchin, Sinema - phony.
AOC? What has she lied about?
AOC is the real deal. She has drive intellect integrity and honesty. And that triggers some people. I get it. Conservative media has been red pilling you pure emotions for decades. No need to think. Just feel.
 

dank69

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Not everyone who engages in a coup is executed. Period. I don't care for your reasons why they weren't. The end result is all that matters. They were not executed.

And Trump is not going to be executed for his insurrection either.

I have no idea why you want to argue over a historical incident that is more than 80 years old while most folks, such as myself, are concerned with the present and their futures.

I'm a Democrat because I believe all are equal, have the same rights and should have a voice. It's most unfortunate there are so many who oppose those beliefs.
And you are back to missing the point entirely and focusing on your victory over a straw man because that's the part that makes you feel good. Refusing to learn the lessons of history is why we are where we are.

Since you seem to have missed it, I didn't say execution is the only option. Locked away for life would be fine.
 
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Yep, the opposition propaganda war is absolutely winning. Lying is very effective.

The big issue is no one is able to easily condense and meme the facts about the US weathering the world economic crisis better than virtually every other country.

Our inflation is lowest, our GDP growth highest, our energy prices lowest of most other countries which is why the US dollar is at 20 year high and rocketing higher.

That is the info that matters and shows US policy has been wildly effective. It's easy to criticize. But why not figure out how to out propagandize the right-wing and their useful idiots the Bernie Bros many of whom fell down the right-wing rabbit hole after 2016/2020.

One thing the left is going to have to accept is the new right-wing HAS became the new anti-establishment movement. Yes, ironic that it is fascist, but many anti-establishment "burn it down" types have been sucked in now.

Crystal huggers
Bernie Bros
Crunchy moms
Anti-vaxxers
Alt Med believers
Previous left wing conspiracy types

The fringe left wing now sees the new right as the anti-establishment party.

The left lost it's fringe to the right as the right became the big tent party for batshit.


The problem with that theory is that the New Age/Alt Med/Organic food zealot types (the folk who have been sucked in by right-wing conspiracy theories) have always been part of the centrist liberal strand, rather than 'the left'. They're _your_ people. Affluent liberals. Observer readers.
 

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The problem with that theory is that the New Age/Alt Med/Organic food zealot types (the folk who have been sucked in by right-wing conspiracy theories) have always been part of the centrist liberal strand, rather than 'the left'. They're _your_ people. Affluent liberals. Observer readers.

Not the Bernie bros and hoes who are now voting red for some batshit reason.

Regardless, they used to vote straight blue.

It's kinda funny watching some of them have extreme cognitive dissonance over Roe now. Strangely, it wasn't enough to switch them back. The power of having their batshit validated overcomes it.
 

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I despise AOC. She's so phony she faked being handcuffed.
Assuming you consider AOC the far left of the spectrum, you put her up against the likes of

Trump
Josh Hawley
MGT
Louie Gomert
Lauren Bobert
Matt Gaetz
Jim Jordan
Ted Cruz

For me it's AOC 100% of the time.

If despise is your verb for AOC, give me your best verb for people on my list. I don't agree with a lot of things she promotes but she seems like a nice person and a decent human being. Can we say the same for my list?
 
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No need for all of that. The Left simply lacks the viciousness, the personnel and the weaponry to carry out a complete takeover of the country.

Most espousing violence are expressing a variety of personal frustrations and anger.

Now, there are bunch of looney tunes with warped thinking who may want to go the rebellion route. But I don't see ya'll getting anywhere.

Especially with a phony leader such as AOC pretending to be handcuffed at a pro-Abortion rally in D.C. But she swears she's House Speaker material.

I know what a dumb wise and beautiful woman

*I’m trying to role play a deplorable*
Who gets this?
 
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No need to execute trump, exile him and his family from the country and sell off his holdings here with the proceeds going to the government.
 

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AOC is a Socialist and her crew of Progressives have not impressed me at all. The only thing they seem to be good at is guaranteeing election defeat on a national level.

HomerJS,

I'm a Democrat. I don't care at all for Right Wing Republicans. I am quite aware of their agenda.

It appears the Far Left seems ready and willing to aid Republicans by undermining Dems once again by refusing to compromise and unite. I have no allusions what this means for Black people as Republicans vault into total control.

I really do not like phonies. One of my heroes never faked being handcuffed.
 

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What is phony about her? To my mind she is in the group of 1% that is NOT phony. I would say phony is taking big money and going against your own constituents interests. I'd call lying phony. I'd call saying one thing then doing another phony. I'd call "Roe is settled law" phony. I'd call a lot of things phony. McConnell "not in an election year". Manchin, Sinema - phony.
AOC? What has she lied about?
AOC is the real deal. She has drive intellect integrity and honesty. And that triggers some people. I get it. Conservative media has been red pilling you pure emotions for decades. No need to think. Just feel.
She is not a one percenter
 

HomerJS

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AOC is a Socialist and her crew of Progressives have not impressed me at all. The only thing they seem to be good at is guaranteeing election defeat on a national level.

HomerJS,

I'm a Democrat. I don't care at all for Right Wing Republicans. I am quite aware of their agenda.

It appears the Far Left seems ready and willing to aid Republicans by undermining Dems once again by refusing to compromise and unite. I have no allusions what this means for Black people as Republicans vault into total control.

I really do not like phonies. One of my heroes never faked being handcuffed.
She was arrested. How did she perform a fake handcuff stunt? Or did someone tell you she's faking handcuffs. Putting her hands behind her back was an act of submission. It was up to the cop to cuff her or not. Since she was being arrested cop should have cuffed her. I've seen black people cuffed at a traffic stop without being under arrest.

Don't be so quick to legitimize right wing tweets. They lie a lot.
 

nakedfrog

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AOC is a Socialist and her crew of Progressives have not impressed me at all. The only thing they seem to be good at is guaranteeing election defeat on a national level.

HomerJS,

I'm a Democrat. I don't care at all for Right Wing Republicans. I am quite aware of their agenda.

It appears the Far Left seems ready and willing to aid Republicans by undermining Dems once again by refusing to compromise and unite. I have no allusions what this means for Black people as Republicans vault into total control.

I really do not like phonies. One of my heroes never faked being handcuffed.
You talking about this Dr. King?

“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
 
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AOC is a Socialist and her crew of Progressives have not impressed me at all. The only thing they seem to be good at is guaranteeing election defeat on a national level.

HomerJS,

I'm a Democrat. I don't care at all for Right Wing Republicans. I am quite aware of their agenda.

It appears the Far Left seems ready and willing to aid Republicans by undermining Dems once again by refusing to compromise and unite. I have no allusions what this means for Black people as Republicans vault into total control.

I really do not like phonies. One of my heroes never faked being handcuffed.

Please produce any evidence AOC wants to nationalize the means of production rather than simply have well regulated capitalist means of production with strong European style social programs.


In the REST of the first world, AOC is MODERATE RIGHT.

Only in the US is she considered "far left."

Here is her stance, no where is the nationalization of business mentioned:


Unions stand with people and the workers who are the backbone of our economy. The labor movement of the turn of the 20th Century fought tirelessly for the workplace protections that helped bring power to the working class through greater economic democracy. It was that wealth and labor protections that were directly responsible for the New Deal and also allowed for the Golden Age of the U.S. economy.

Unfortunately, over the last 40 years, far-right and reactionary movements - strengthened under Ronald Reagan, and continued under neoliberal establishment Democrats - have been able to undo many labor protections which were hard-won by workers in the face of brutal oppression.

Alexandria’s campaign team is one of the very few unionized campaigns in the country. She understands that the only way for our country to progress beyond what Martin Luther King, Jr. called “the evils of capitalism,” is movement towards a society where people have democratic rights in their workplace, which means:

  • We must secure the union and labor regulations that are commonplace in most countries around the world.
  • We need to repeal the Taft-Hartley Act, which limits the power of workers and unions to fight and push for better working conditions.
  • It is the responsibility of leaders to talk about general strikes, to expand consciousness about a general strike, and to create the conditions in which working people can generate and really exercise their own power.
  • The federal government should not be allowed to do business with companies where workers do not have union protection
  • Corporations and greedy business owners who commit union-busting practices should be heavily fined.
  • We must create a country where our government values the economic security of everyday people over the whims of the corporate oligarchy.


As for your GQP talking point, Please produce evidence AOC and the rest of the group were not instructed to put their hands behind their back. They ALL did it. Which means it was more likely an instruction by the capitol police rather than an attempt to deceive.
 

Lezunto

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No need to execute trump, exile him and his family from the country and sell off his holdings here with the proceeds going to the government.

1) First, the voters have to keep him out of the White House

2) Assuming Trump loses in 2024, DeSantis will likely veto such a move in solidarity with Proud Boys, et al

3) The right leaning Supreme Court would likely take Trump's side

4) Does anyone really think there would be little armed reaction from the crazies who would love to round up the most effective of those on the Left

Then, there's the little matter of having to actually convict Trump of something that requires exile
 

fskimospy

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1) First, the voters have to keep him out of the White House

2) Assuming Trump loses in 2024, DeSantis will likely veto such a move in solidarity with Proud Boys, et al

3) The right leaning Supreme Court would likely take Trump's side

4) Does anyone really think there would be little armed reaction from the crazies who would love to round up the most effective of those on the Left

Then, there's the little matter of having to actually convict Trump of something that requires exile
I'm not sure why we would want to exile him anyway, just throw him in regular prison - something we should clearly be able to do.
 

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AOC is a Socialist and her crew of Progressives have not impressed me at all. The only thing they seem to be good at is guaranteeing election defeat on a national level.

HomerJS,

I'm a Democrat. I don't care at all for Right Wing Republicans. I am quite aware of their agenda.

It appears the Far Left seems ready and willing to aid Republicans by undermining Dems once again by refusing to compromise and unite. I have no allusions what this means for Black people as Republicans vault into total control.

I really do not like phonies. One of my heroes never faked being handcuffed.

You can laugh all you want. AOC has never called for nationalizing the means of production or ending private ownership of business.


And TRUE "nationalize the means of production" socialists even say she's not a socialist.


So... do you wanna stop mindlessly using the "socialism" scare word?

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