The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[Cerpin Taxt]

Premise I reject in your argument.

God can do anything and everything.

No, God cannot do anything and everything. God may have the power but He can't do anything that goes against his nature.

That's a totally meaningless claim because God's nature can be whatever he wants it to be.

Nobody can do anything that violates their nature, ever.

 

[soulcougher73]

How are you any different, You take the ludicrous parts and assume there is no God. You do exactly the same thing. You don't believe in a god that can't possibly exist but you don't see that your excited defense of that position as being absurd. Why not shout on the rooftops you have no bananas in your clothes hamper. Partial ownership of the ludicrous is better than full ownership and you should try it.

Why not ask yourself, since there are billions of folk who believe in this fantasy called God or truth or enlightenment, or something really odd and different, what the fuck the origin and basis of such a feeling could be. But you don't have that feeling and don't get it either, so everybody who believes in something they can't prove is there must be inferior to you. They may in the majority be nuts, but they are not any farther away than you are. They believe in something and you believe you know what that something can't be and go from there to the notion that any kind of something must therefore not exist.

I know, i know. I hate myself. I get it

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, for one thing, you will notice that we are arguing about the nature and existence or non-existence of God to which the Santa Claus argument was brought, and not the thread about where we argue whether Santa exists and to which a belief in gods is introduced as refutation. Can you explain to me why that is?

The "worthyness" of a religion is partly defined by the order of threads made about them on the AT forums?

Well it's a new argument I'll give you that at least.

Secondly, and as a completely different take on this question, Santa does exist. Try to think how that is an argument that can be supported yourself before you ask me to prove it.

I'll agree that it's as likely that Santa exists as God.

 

[MagickMan]

So fucking what? The alleged inerrancy of the bible is not a stipulation. Pointing out where it conflicts with itself or other necessary truths only highlights its errors.

That specific conflict is only in your own addled mind, but a whole shitload of them exist in that cramped, little space, so I'm not surprised. He was wrong and you're wrong, deal with it, bitch.

 

[JD50]

That's a totally meaningless claim because God's nature can be whatever he wants it to be.

Nobody can do anything that violates their nature, ever.

:thumbsup:

 

[JD50]

No. Think about it more deeply instead of trying to beat me in a debate.

I'm not trying to beat you in a debate, I'm having a discussion on a forum. "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm not going to tell you why you just need to think deeper" is no way to have a discussion. I'm interested to see how you think watching an event that happened in the past is in any way similar to knowing what will happen in the future. Your analogy falls apart before that though because you didn't create the basketball players in the first place.

 

[JD50]

In that bit you quoted? Strawmanning my position doesn't help.

No, in several other posts, you should grow up and stop ignoring people that question your beliefs. This highlights another problem though, you accuse people of strawmanning your position when you won't even explain your position in the first place.

 

[MagickMan]

When you created everything knowing everything that would happen with the power to do anything and everything then yes it is the same.

It's more like knowing everything that could happen, or that everything that's possible is currently happening; ex. seeing everything as whole and broken, alive and dead, changed and static.

 

[JD50]

Holy shit, I knew you were stupid, but I didn't think you were THAT stupid.

A recorded basketball game happened in the past. God's alleged knowledge is of the future. I do not exist to choose my future -- God chooses it for me when he creates the future all at once.

Fuck's sake I hate being right all the time...

:thumbsup:

 

[JD50]

It's more like knowing everything that could happen, or that everything that's possible is currently happening; ex. seeing everything as whole and broken, alive and dead, changed and static.

You either know what will happen or you don't. Knowing "everything that could happen" is meaningless.

 

[TheGardener]

Thus, Mao and Stalin did not do what they did because of atheism. They did what they did for power, or a million other reasons. The best argument that could be made would be that religion did not constrain them.

You are assuming that atheism is not a religion. It is. It seeks the destruction of all other religions. Much like ISIS and other Jihadi religions. So the Stalin and Mao answer stands. Those crimes also tower against all other crimes committed by other religions. That makes Atheists the most evil of all religions in history.

 

[sandorski]

You are assuming that atheism is not a religion. It is. It seeks the destruction of all other religions. Much like ISIS and other Jihadi religions. So the Stalin and Mao answer stands. Those crimes also tower against all other crimes committed by other religions. That makes Atheists the most evil of all religions in history.

mmmmk

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

That specific conflict is only in your own addled mind, but a whole shitload of them exist in that cramped, little space, so I'm not surprised. He was wrong and you're wrong, deal with it, bitch.

That's a stinky turd you just dropped there, but it's full of only bare assertions and zero substantive argumentation.

Do you fail to understand the difference? It seems so.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You are assuming that atheism is not a religion. It is. It seeks the destruction of all other religions. Much like ISIS and other Jihadi religions. So the Stalin and Mao answer stands. Those crimes also tower against all other crimes committed by other religions. That makes Atheists the most evil of all religions in history.

Do you want to know why so many people think the religious are idiots? Because this is why so many people think the religious are idiots.

 

[WelshBloke]

You are assuming that atheism is not a religion. It is. It seeks the destruction of all other religions.

Wut?

I'm an atheist and I don't want to destroy any ones religion. I don't care what anyone believes as long as it doesn't negatively affect me.

That doesn't mean that I won't debate about it on a discussion board though.

 

[MagickMan]

You either know what will happen or you don't. Knowing "everything that could happen" is meaningless.

I liken it to being able to see all lines of probability, more than knowing exactly what a person will choose to do.

 

[MagickMan]

That's a stinky turd you just dropped there, but it's full of only bare assertions and zero substantive argumentation.

Do you fail to understand the difference? It seems so.

You fail at everything, except being a failure, so how are you in a position to judge?

 

[JD50]

I liken it to being able to see all lines of probability, more than knowing exactly what a person will choose to do.

Ok, but again that's not "all knowing." He either knows what will happen or doesn't, it's not the same thing. I don't really care either way, but most Christians seem to think that God knows everything that will happen. I don't know which definition of God Buck prefers, it would be nice if he would tell us.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You fail at everything, except being a failure, so how are you in a position to judge?

Uh... What? Could you try wiping the froth from your mouth and put a complete thought together for once? I'm sure your ass is still pretty sore from the reaming it got earlier in the thread, but it's time to start acting like a grown up. Can you do that, or are we gonna have to keep waiting for you to un-chap your ass?

 

[MagickMan]

Ok, but again that's not "all knowing." He either knows what will happen or doesn't, it's not the same thing. I don't really care either way, but most Christians seem to think that God knows everything that will happen. I don't know which definition of God Buck prefers, it would be nice if he would tell us.

If you know everything that can happen, then you know what will happen. It's just math (a fuckton of it) and knowing all the variables.

 

[MagickMan]

Uh... What? Could you try wiping the froth from your mouth and put a complete thought together for once? I'm sure your ass is still pretty sore from the reaming it got earlier in the thread, but it's time to start acting like a grown up. Can you do that, or are we gonna have to keep waiting for you to un-chap your ass?

Nah, I just enjoy insulting your ignorance, because you display so much of it. It's entertaining.


(Do you jerk it while fantasizing about reaming my ass? Bitch, that's hawt.)

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If you know everything that can happen, then you know what will happen. It's just math (a fuckton of it) and knowing all the variables.

That's only true if everything MUST happen, a la the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics. It's false if you assume an objective reduction of quantum states.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nah, I just enjoy insulting your ignorance, because you display so much of it. It's entertaining.

That's pretty pathetic, frankly. What a sad world you live in.

(Do you jerk it while fantasizing about reaming my ass? Bitch, that's hawt.)

Uh... what?

 

[TheGardener]

Wut?

I'm an atheist and I don't want to destroy any ones religion. I don't care what anyone believes as long as it doesn't negatively affect me.

That doesn't mean that I won't debate about it on a discussion board though.

While you can call yourself whatever you wish, wouldn't your reply rather make you an agnostic?

Regardless, your reply is anecdotal, because it deals with one person. Even the most hateful of any poster condemning Christianity, would not blame one Christian. Or would they?

Glad you joined the debate. Not trying to censor you.

 

[TheGardener]

Do you want to know why so many people think the religious are idiots? Because this is why so many people think the religious are idiots.

That must be the intelligent reply of the kid in the avator. Not an adult. I take it you are not an adult.