The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[sandorski]

Yup. Starbuck's relentless concern trolling and #bothsides-ism plays directly into Republicans' plans. They desperately want and desperately need people like Starbuck because they are the ones that ensure the GOP pays no consequences for their behavior. In a world where people say both sides are the same no matter what happens political parties are outright given an incentive to be as bad as possible.

I mean think about it, Trump has admitted on tape to routinely sexually assaulting people and has 25+ people accusing him of various sex crimes up to and including rape. Where's Starbuck about that? Almost nonexistent. Joe Biden gets one extremely shaky accusation and Starbuck is all over it. The #bothsides thing is one of the most poisonous ideas that exists in America today.

Posts like these give the impression that the Partisan Political Concerns override any discussion of the Reade Allegation. You are correct that Trumpists will use this issue to their advantage, I don't think anyone would deny that or even be surprised by that. Hell, any perceived weakness of an Opponent will be used by anyone. The problem with discussing these issues is in assuming that just because your Opponent uses/will use an issue that somehow the issue is Fake News.

 

[fskimospy]

Posts like these give the impression that the Partisan Political Concerns override any discussion of the Reade Allegation. You are correct that Trumpists will use this issue to their advantage, I don't think anyone would deny that or even be surprised by that. Hell, any perceived weakness of an Opponent will be used by anyone. The problem with discussing these issues is in assuming that just because your Opponent uses/will use an issue that somehow the issue is Fake News.

You clearly did not read my post then. I think at this point basically everyone but you agrees this allegation is discredited so I’m no longer concerned about the accusation itself, absent some new evidence.

What I’m talking about is that even if it were true Trump’s actions are several orders of magnitude worse and people such as Starbuck barely mention them, instead furiously attempting to #bothsides the situation. This is basically a form of enabling the worst actors because they know they won’t be held accountable.

 

[Starbuck1975]

False. Picking nits with Democrats while Republicans are reaming our assholes is what created this world. Now go take off your tan suit and slather yourself in dijon mustard.

Edgy

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yup. Starbuck's relentless concern trolling and #bothsides-ism plays directly into Republicans' plans. They desperately want and desperately need people like Starbuck because they are the ones that ensure the GOP pays no consequences for their behavior. In a world where people say both sides are the same no matter what happens political parties are outright given an incentive to be as bad as possible.

I mean think about it, Trump has admitted on tape to routinely sexually assaulting people and has 25+ people accusing him of various sex crimes up to and including rape. Where's Starbuck about that? Almost nonexistent. Joe Biden gets one extremely shaky accusation and Starbuck is all over it. The #bothsides thing is one of the most poisonous ideas that exists in America today.

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

 

[Blackjack200]

Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. (Published 2020)

The importance of owning an ugly moral choice.

www.nytimes.com

...So what’s a girl to do now? Discounting Ms. Reade’s accusation and, one after another, denigrating her corroborating witnesses, calling for endless new evidence, avowing that you “hear” her, is nonsense. We are now up to four corroborating witnesses — including one contemporary corroborating witness, unearthed by Rich McHugh, who was Ronan Farrow’s producer at NBC News during the Harvey Weinstein #MeToo reporting — and one “Larry King Live” tape.

So stop playing gotcha with the female supporters of Mr. Biden or the #MeToo movement, making them lie to the camera — or perhaps to themselves — about doubting her to justify their votes.

I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.

I won’t say it will be easy. I have been writing on and agitating for women’s equality since “The Feminine Mystique” came out in 1963. I know how supposedly “liberal” men abused the sexual revolution in every imaginable way. I am unimpressed by their lip service to feminism, their Harvard degrees or their donations to feminist causes....

At least this person has the guts to stand up for Reade, even if she's voting for Biden.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

So dishonest. Anybody could suffer from scurrilous accusations of sexual misconduct.

 

[Jhhnn]

Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. (Published 2020)

The importance of owning an ugly moral choice.

www.nytimes.com

...So what’s a girl to do now? Discounting Ms. Reade’s accusation and, one after another, denigrating her corroborating witnesses, calling for endless new evidence, avowing that you “hear” her, is nonsense. We are now up to four corroborating witnesses — including one contemporary corroborating witness, unearthed by Rich McHugh, who was Ronan Farrow’s producer at NBC News during the Harvey Weinstein #MeToo reporting — and one “Larry King Live” tape.

So stop playing gotcha with the female supporters of Mr. Biden or the #MeToo movement, making them lie to the camera — or perhaps to themselves — about doubting her to justify their votes.

I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.

I won’t say it will be easy. I have been writing on and agitating for women’s equality since “The Feminine Mystique” came out in 1963. I know how supposedly “liberal” men abused the sexual revolution in every imaginable way. I am unimpressed by their lip service to feminism, their Harvard degrees or their donations to feminist causes....

At least this person has the guts to stand up for Reade, even if she's voting for Biden.

Guts? She's been gaslighted clear to Hell & back.

 

[shortylickens]

Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. (Published 2020)

The importance of owning an ugly moral choice.

www.nytimes.com

...So what’s a girl to do now? Discounting Ms. Reade’s accusation and, one after another, denigrating her corroborating witnesses, calling for endless new evidence, avowing that you “hear” her, is nonsense. We are now up to four corroborating witnesses — including one contemporary corroborating witness, unearthed by Rich McHugh, who was Ronan Farrow’s producer at NBC News during the Harvey Weinstein #MeToo reporting — and one “Larry King Live” tape.

So stop playing gotcha with the female supporters of Mr. Biden or the #MeToo movement, making them lie to the camera — or perhaps to themselves — about doubting her to justify their votes.

I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.

I won’t say it will be easy. I have been writing on and agitating for women’s equality since “The Feminine Mystique” came out in 1963. I know how supposedly “liberal” men abused the sexual revolution in every imaginable way. I am unimpressed by their lip service to feminism, their Harvard degrees or their donations to feminist causes....

At least this person has the guts to stand up for Reade, even if she's voting for Biden.

Once again the democrats have picked a lousy candidate only THEY want in office, and Trump will probably destroy him during the election cycle. The orange rapist and his team are masters of shit-slinging and it already worked once. It could easily work again.

 

[fskimospy]

Once again the democrats have picked a lousy candidate only THEY want in office, and Trump will probably destroy him during the election cycle. The orange rapist and his team are masters of shit-slinging and it already worked once. It could easily work again.

You realize the Democrats picked the candidate that the general electorate liked best, right?

 

[fskimospy]

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

Whatever you do, under no circumstances stop concern trolling.

 

[Moonbeam]

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

Don't be absurd. If there is a candidate that is hypocrisy free, make that a human being that is thusly free, and stands for some election, somebody somewhere will accuse that person of hypocrisy anyway and do what it takes to promote that opinion in the general population. We have the charges of fake news coming from the right precisely to deny the real and manufacture the false to destroy any credibility that might be there on the left. It takes only projection to create both sides. This is why biased people can't ever see reality. They can only see themselves but they can't know that either. The truth conceals itself. It can't be given to those who don't deserve it nor kept from those who do. The price is one's sense of self importance.

 

[Jhhnn]

Once again the democrats have picked a lousy candidate only THEY want in office, and Trump will probably destroy him during the election cycle. The orange rapist and his team are masters of shit-slinging and it already worked once. It could easily work again.

I'm sure you'd say the same about anybody Democrats would choose. Back biting & nay-saying are soo easy.

 

[sandorski]

Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. (Published 2020)

The importance of owning an ugly moral choice.

www.nytimes.com

...So what’s a girl to do now? Discounting Ms. Reade’s accusation and, one after another, denigrating her corroborating witnesses, calling for endless new evidence, avowing that you “hear” her, is nonsense. We are now up to four corroborating witnesses — including one contemporary corroborating witness, unearthed by Rich McHugh, who was Ronan Farrow’s producer at NBC News during the Harvey Weinstein #MeToo reporting — and one “Larry King Live” tape.

So stop playing gotcha with the female supporters of Mr. Biden or the #MeToo movement, making them lie to the camera — or perhaps to themselves — about doubting her to justify their votes.

I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.

I won’t say it will be easy. I have been writing on and agitating for women’s equality since “The Feminine Mystique” came out in 1963. I know how supposedly “liberal” men abused the sexual revolution in every imaginable way. I am unimpressed by their lip service to feminism, their Harvard degrees or their donations to feminist causes....

At least this person has the guts to stand up for Reade, even if she's voting for Biden.

Nah brah, Reade is untrustwothy due to irrelevant reasons. Nevermind that Biden has a more extensive record of irrelevant reasons to consider being more untrustworthy on this allegation. If only Reade was the potential nominee, then she would be taken seriously.

 

[dank69]

Nah brah, Reade is untrustwothy due to irrelevant reasons. Nevermind that Biden has a more extensive record of irrelevant reasons to consider being more untrustworthy on this allegation. If only Reade was the potential nominee, then she would be taken seriously.

Yeah irrelevant reasons like lying about Biden firing her and also not knowing why she left, ninja editing old posts to match her new story, and lying about filing a formal complaint about sexual harassment.

 

[dank69]

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

Why would that matter to you? You clearly believe all sorts of manufactured bullshit about Democrats, so even if they were squeaky clean, you wouldn't believe it.

 

[sandorski]

Yeah irrelevant reasons like lying about Biden firing her and also not knowing why she left, ninja editing old posts to match her new story, and lying about filing a formal complaint about sexual harassment.

On what basis do you call those "Lies"? "Ninja Editing" also implies sinister motive, which is not established.

In contrast, are you aware of the lies spoken of by Biden? His are much worse.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nah brah, Reade is untrustwothy due to irrelevant reasons. Nevermind that Biden has a more extensive record of irrelevant reasons to consider being more untrustworthy on this allegation. If only Reade was the potential nominee, then she would be taken seriously.

She's untrustworthy because she's told too many different versions of the same story & tried to cover her tracks when she did. It's an exercise in the Big Lie from the start. "Right out of the blue, Joe Biden grabbed me by the pussy in the hallway of a Senate office building." It's preposterous.

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying

 

[sandorski]

She's untrustworthy because she's told too many different versions of the same story & tried to cover her tracks when she did. It's an exercise in the Big Lie from the start. "Right out of the blue, Joe Biden grabbed me by the pussy in the hallway of a Senate office building." It's preposterous.

Yes yes, she is Hitler....


Ask Joe about the importance of Lies.

 

[ivwshane]

Or, you could start nominating candidates who aren’t hypocrites with easily exploitable baggage.

Or you could stop believing every conspiracy and accusations against any democrat. You know, as in stop being a complete tool and stop being intellectually lazy because you are their audience whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[interchange]

Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. (Published 2020)

The importance of owning an ugly moral choice.

www.nytimes.com

...So what’s a girl to do now? Discounting Ms. Reade’s accusation and, one after another, denigrating her corroborating witnesses, calling for endless new evidence, avowing that you “hear” her, is nonsense. We are now up to four corroborating witnesses — including one contemporary corroborating witness, unearthed by Rich McHugh, who was Ronan Farrow’s producer at NBC News during the Harvey Weinstein #MeToo reporting — and one “Larry King Live” tape.

So stop playing gotcha with the female supporters of Mr. Biden or the #MeToo movement, making them lie to the camera — or perhaps to themselves — about doubting her to justify their votes.

I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.

I won’t say it will be easy. I have been writing on and agitating for women’s equality since “The Feminine Mystique” came out in 1963. I know how supposedly “liberal” men abused the sexual revolution in every imaginable way. I am unimpressed by their lip service to feminism, their Harvard degrees or their donations to feminist causes....

At least this person has the guts to stand up for Reade, even if she's voting for Biden.

I think the forthrightness is admirable. And I also don't think a rape allegation is credible. And I think if it were, I would not be voting for Biden. I think there are some people doing mental gymnastics because they're too rigidly attached to the commandment that accounts of sexual assault be believed. There are obviously some cases which are verifiably fake, but what about when there is evidence which puts accounts into serious question but isn't enough to fully disprove an allegation. Obviously there is some subjectivity here, and that's the hardest part, because it's easy to pick at any story. We've seen that with Blasey-Ford, for example. I think a more appropriate way of thinking is trying to define a standard of evidence, e.g. preponderance which means more likely than not. Under that standard, it can be fairly said that claims of sexual violence which are consistent and made by a person without significant history of credibility issues should be believed if that is the extent of the evidence which is reasonable available and fairly obtained.

One thing about this story which irks me is the claim that there are 4 corroborating accounts. That's not really a lie, but it isn't really the truth either. Only one account is of sexual violence. 2 are of harassment, and 1 is of non-specific misconduct where a conflict over reporting it was claimed out of respect for Biden. Particularly since she changed her story in the media from sexual harassment to digital rape, only one such account could be considered corroborating for that.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So dishonest. Anybody could suffer from scurrilous accusations of sexual misconduct.

Well, maybe Democrats should have thought of that before politicizing said accusations with a standard their own candidates can’t measure to.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Or you could stop believing every conspiracy and accusations against any democrat. You know, as in stop being a complete tool and stop being intellectually lazy because you are their audience whether you want to admit it or not.

The accusations/criticisms against Hillary and Biden are credible and legitimate. The Democrats have a deep bench, and yet still manage to nominate uninspired baggage laden centrists because socialism is just too scary for their donors.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, maybe Democrats should have thought of that before politicizing said accusations with a standard their own candidates can’t measure to.

Still dishonest.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why would that matter to you? You clearly believe all sorts of manufactured bullshit about Democrats, so even if they were squeaky clean, you wouldn't believe it.

I would gladly vote for Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Yang or Gabbard. You guys chose to nominate mediocrity and hypocrisy...again.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Don't be absurd. If there is a candidate that is hypocrisy free, make that a human being that is thusly free, and stands for some election, somebody somewhere will accuse that person of hypocrisy anyway and do what it takes to promote that opinion in the general population. We have the charges of fake news coming from the right precisely to deny the real and manufacture the false to destroy any credibility that might be there on the left. It takes only projection to create both sides. This is why biased people can't ever see reality. They can only see themselves but they can't know that either. The truth conceals itself. It can't be given to those who don't deserve it nor kept from those who do. The price is one's sense of self importance.

Do you think Biden should be held accountable to the standard he advocated for?