The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[ivwshane]

The accusations/criticisms against Hillary and Biden are credible and legitimate. The Democrats have a deep bench, and yet still manage to nominate uninspired baggage laden centrists because socialism is just too scary for their donors.

Lol no they were not legitimate or credible and republicans are on record as saying as much with regards to Hillary.

Again, your intellectual laziness is astounding as anyone paying the slightest of attention will not only recognize the pattern but will also be aware of their admission to such tactics. You are proof their tactics work.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you think Biden should be held accountable to the standard he advocated for?

I am totally shocked that Starbuck was totally ready to vote for a democrat but then we had to nominate the one he just can’t bring himself to vote for.

Note, this statement holds true no matter who is nominated. The concern trolling is what he lives for.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes yes, she is Hitler....


Ask Joe about the importance of Lies.

I just quoted the originator of the concept. It's widely used by right wing propagandists & grifters.

I'm sure the Senate is a place where there's an undercurrent of shared experience, scuttlebutt, gossip & so forth among the various staffs. Drinks after work. Informal gatherings & media mingling around the edges. Relationships & reputations develop over time. When Reade's accusation broke, the media was all over it, talking to every woman they could find who had ever been involved with Biden in any capacity. What they found was puzzlement & disbelief. It runs completely counter to the experience of those women & anything they'd ever heard through the grapevine. The reason that there have been no more accusations is because there are no honest ones to be made. Too simple, huh?

 

[Jhhnn]

I would gladly vote for Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Yang or Gabbard. You guys chose to nominate mediocrity and hypocrisy...again.

So it's not about Reade's bogus accusation anymore? Good to know.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm sure you'd say the same about anybody Democrats would choose. Back biting & nay-saying are soo easy.

Of course you're sure.

 

[interchange]

Do you think Biden should be held accountable to the standard he advocated for?

He should be held accountable for advocating for a dumb standard to the extent that this is true. But no. All people in the same position should be held accountable to the same standard. Hypocrites don't deserve any different burden of proof or consequence for their actions. But depending on the situation there might be an appropriate but separate consequence for the hypocrisy.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I am totally shocked that Starbuck was totally ready to vote for a democrat but then we had to nominate the one he just can’t bring himself to vote for.

Note, this statement holds true no matter who is nominated. The concern trolling is what he lives for.

My wife and I really liked Klobuchar. We would very likely vote her in if she was the nominee. If only she would have promised the big corporations not to tax the bejeezus out of them like Biden did then she might have had a chance. They knew they had a corrupt bumbling fool in Biden so why upset the apple cart. They can puppeteer Biden into whatever.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think the forthrightness is admirable. And I also don't think a rape allegation is credible. And I think if it were, I would not be voting for Biden. I think there are some people doing mental gymnastics because they're too rigidly attached to the commandment that accounts of sexual assault be believed. There are obviously some cases which are verifiably fake, but what about when there is evidence which puts accounts into serious question but isn't enough to fully disprove an allegation. Obviously there is some subjectivity here, and that's the hardest part, because it's easy to pick at any story. We've seen that with Blasey-Ford, for example. I think a more appropriate way of thinking is trying to define a standard of evidence, e.g. preponderance which means more likely than not. Under that standard, it can be fairly said that claims of sexual violence which are consistent and made by a person without significant history of credibility issues should be believed if that is the extent of the evidence which is reasonable available and fairly obtained.

One thing about this story which irks me is the claim that there are 4 corroborating accounts. That's not really a lie, but it isn't really the truth either. Only one account is of sexual violence. 2 are of harassment, and 1 is of non-specific misconduct where a conflict over reporting it was claimed out of respect for Biden. Particularly since she changed her story in the media from sexual harassment to digital rape, only one such account could be considered corroborating for that.

And what of Biden's credibility issues? I agree that there are mental gymnastics going on. This article has some good arguments about why the efforts to discredit Reade as a victim are particularly problematic.

I Believe Tara Reade. And You Should, Too.

We already knew that Biden is the type. Had we as voters and had the Democratic Party taken this seriously, we wouldn’t be in this mess now.

www.thenation.com

 

[fskimospy]

My wife and I really liked Klobuchar. We would very likely vote her in if she was the nominee. If only she would have promised the big corporations not to tax the bejeezus out of them like Biden did then she might have had a chance. They knew they had a corrupt bumbling fool in Biden so why upset the apple cart. They can puppeteer Biden into whatever.

Aren't you the guy who thought the president using your tax dollars to secure personal election favors from foreign leaders was not corruption?

Let's just say your opinion on what constitutes corruption is... well... troubled.

 

[soundforbjt]

And what of Biden's credibility issues? I agree that there are mental gymnastics going on. This article has some good arguments about why the efforts to discredit Reade as a victim are particularly problematic.

I Believe Tara Reade. And You Should, Too.

We already knew that Biden is the type. Had we as voters and had the Democratic Party taken this seriously, we wouldn’t be in this mess now.

www.thenation.com

Boy was that piece devoid of verifiable facts, the writer is truly a believer.

 

[Blackjack200]

Aren't you the guy who thought the president using your tax dollars to secure personal election favors from foreign leaders was not corruption?

Let's just say your opinion on what constitutes corruption is... well... troubled.

Just a reminder that this guy repeatedly referred to an article by the thoroughly discredited Krassenstein brothers that was basically a hit job on Tara Reade, digging into her social media behavior and making all sorts of ugly assumptions or inviting the reader to. He then refused to vouch for the accuracy or fairness of the information presented or that the information supported his arguments. So yeah, that's who he is. Just remember that every time he attacks someone else on these forums.

 

[Blackjack200]

Boy was that piece devoid of verifiable facts, the writer is truly a believer.

If you want to take a shit out of your mouth, you should do it in the bathroom.

 

[fskimospy]

Boy was that piece devoid of verifiable facts, the writer is truly a believer.

I mean it's ambiguous enough that people can basically find a reason to believe anything they want. If people want to ignore her repeatedly changing story, the fact that literally everyone else in the office disputes her statements, and the fact that she's recently threatened another former employer on Twitter with what appear to be baseless accusations then that's up to them.

 

[ivwshane]

If you want to take a shit out of your mouth, you should do it in the bathroom.

Or be like you and take a dump on these forums? Ok bro. How about you post some more opinion pieces sprinkled with random tweets? No doubt you'll soon be posting YouTube bubble reinforcement links for all of us to enjoy./eyeroll

 

[UNCjigga]

Everyone can have their own hot take on the Tara Reade situation, but it just doesn’t matter:

Voters Divided on Alleged Biden Assault | Polling Institute

Half the electorate consider voting by mail this year

www.monmouth.edu

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258055072744910848

You can support Reade speaking up and continue to support Biden. While I don’t think things went down 100% the way she claims in her new allegation, I do believe that in 1993 Biden might have seen her as a “pair of legs” to exploit with donors, abused his power dynamic over a “pretty aide” and tossed her aside when she didn’t want to play ball. I can believe all of that, I can believe that kind of treatment of women is wrong, and I can continue to support Biden over Trump or a meaningless candidate.

Unless you believe Reade 100%, you can still support Biden given that the incident was long ago, people can change with the times, and a pattern of harassment or assault on women has not been established.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you think Biden should be held accountable to the standard he advocated for?

I don't think I see the world as you do based on the fact that you asked me this. Any feelings I may harbor that impel me to seek accountability for hypocrites I judge to be the remains of childhood contamination caused mental illness, some sick need I may have to see others suffer as I was made to suffer myself, and deserved to, according to my feelings.

So if we set aside this potential unconscious component, which if present is my real and actual belief, rooted as it is or may be in my deepest so far unknown feelings, I can move on to tell you what I consciously believe to be the real facts and separate from how deeply they may be internalized:

There is no such thing as escape from accountability. I needn't worry in the slightest that Biden won't pay and isn't already paying for any hypocrisy he may have committed. I have no need to judge him or concern myself with his life. I believe that everything that religion teaches that we get what is coming to us is a law of the universe that has nothing to do with whether any other fact that religion claims is true. I believe humans are born good, with infinite potential for morality and that the reward for virtue is what heaven is purported to be, that one's own inner self respect is the Holy Grail of Existence. I believe that he who loves himself loves infinitely and has the full reward of being joy granted to us language using chimpanzees. Have a banana and enjoy heaven on earth.

For those who violate their own true nature and engage in immoral behavior, there is no hiding this from the real self which for such a person simply will not appear. The wages of sin are emotional death. This is how it is and ignorance is just the opposite of bliss.

For those we seek to scorn I feel pity. We have little idea what we have lost. Why consciously add to the burden we carry?

 

[interchange]

And what of Biden's credibility issues? I agree that there are mental gymnastics going on. This article has some good arguments about why the efforts to discredit Reade as a victim are particularly problematic.

I Believe Tara Reade. And You Should, Too.

We already knew that Biden is the type. Had we as voters and had the Democratic Party taken this seriously, we wouldn’t be in this mess now.

www.thenation.com

I'm not sure what you mean by credibility issues. I've got no problem seeing Biden as a potential rapist. He has a pattern of inappropriate boundaries. I'm not sure what that has to do with whether Tara Reade is credible in a rape accusation. If she didn't have all the problems in her accusation here, Biden's public behavior would be somewhat supportive but also unnecessary. Unless there's something I don't know where Biden has told conflicting stories about this or something like that.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So it's not about Reade's bogus accusation anymore? Good to know.

No it still is, you are welcome to try and move the goal posts. @hal2kilo seems eager to help you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I am totally shocked that Starbuck was totally ready to vote for a democrat but then we had to nominate the one he just can’t bring himself to vote for.

Note, this statement holds true no matter who is nominated. The concern trolling is what he lives for.

I am totally shocked that you are deflecting to something other than the topic at hand

 

[soundforbjt]

Reade's accusations don't seem to be resonating with women voters. Biden is leading Trump today with woman voters by 22 points in key battleground states.

 

[Blackjack200]

Or be like you and take a dump on these forums? Ok bro. How about you post some more opinion pieces sprinkled with random tweets? No doubt you'll soon be posting YouTube bubble reinforcement links for all of us to enjoy./eyeroll

The author of the piece is an associate professor at Cornell and published author on misogyny. You're an internet troll who gets his kicks smearing victims of sexual assault.

As far as shitting on the thread goes, I've consolidated all of your contributions so far. Any normal person would be absolutely embarrassed by this, but you're not a normal person, you're a clown. Enjoy:

I’ve decided, thanks to you, that I’ll be voting for Biden just out of spite to “both sides” idiots.

I hope it comes out that Biden is a pedophile because I’m sure that would really piss you off.

Hey look at that! I’ve become the Biden version of a Bernie bro and a trump dick sucker! Now I get your mentality!
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I’d rather be a clown than a dumb ass Bernie bro. At least I amuse people
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Oh he’s aware of what he’s doing, trolls are always aware.
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I assume nothing, your posts speak for themselves.
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Just give it up bro. Accept that you were a useful idiot and you got taken by the rights smear campaign. It happens, they’ve got the best propaganda machine behind them.
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Yeah I think we at least need 6-7 Benghazi style investigations about this. If we do more than 7 and nothing comes out then obviously the story was nothing but a hit job. Anything less than six investigations will only mean there are still too many questions left unanswered. Of course if Biden doesn’t win the presidency then we can ignore this whole thing but if he does win it then maybe will have to have some impeachment type investigations brought up (think Kenneth star and the white water scandal that involved infidelity).

/eye roll

For those of you who aren’t using motivated reasoning and who aren’t useful idiots, remember that the number one play used by republicans and the right is to accuse your opponents of the very thing you are guilty of:
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Lol! The point, unsurprisingly, was lost on you. Keep being useful!
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When is Tara coming before the senate or subjecting herself to any sworn testimony?

Looks like more poor understanding from you.
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Are you implying Ford didn’t face any character assassination. Please
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Or you could stop believing every conspiracy and accusations against any democrat. You know, as in stop being a complete tool and stop being intellectually lazy because you are their audience whether you want to admit it or not.
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Lol no they were not legitimate or credible and republicans are on record as saying as much with regards to Hillary.
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Again, your intellectual laziness is astounding as anyone paying the slightest of attention will not only recognize the pattern but will also be aware of their admission to such tactics. You are proof their tactics work.
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My concern with Kavanaugh was his political past and not the allegations against him.

What has been your position on both?

You were saying something about hypocrites?
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What?! Why does anandtech allow perpetrators of rape to post on these forums? Until sandorski provides proof that he didn’t rape eski, he should be banned.

When will you prove the allegations false?
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Rape apologist!
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Damn! The dude is just an overall bad guy! I believe you too because in another thread I saw him he lie about something. What a scumbag!
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I'm voting for Biden to own the righties. I'll ignore all the negatives about Biden just to piss you off.
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Twitter brain rot. It’s, apparently, a real thing.
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My have your standards changed:

I’m sure this means you’ll be laying out your proof in your next post, proof that meets your the high standards you set up for Kavanaugh.

lol
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Judging by the headlines and the concerted push of this story by the right, this appears to be a hit job on Biden. As per the usual hit jobs from the right, I expect no new information that will bolster the case against him will show up but the fervor will continue to ramp up.

It’s Obama’s birth certificate and Benghazi all over again.

Watch as the useful idiots try to defend their position as it crumbles beneath them.
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When you cite shit sources it’s usually because it’s a shit story.

Useful idiot is useful.
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It’s a hit piece folks, watch her bank account

 

[Vic]

The accusation is clearly not credible. I'm not sure why this thread is still going except some of you must have nothing better to do.

 

[ivwshane]

Thanks for the highlight reel! What you just revealed to everyone is that not only did I not smear her but that you just lied about me smearing her.

It’s ok bro, I know since trump lost you haven’t been the same mentally and your dive off the deep is well documented on these forums.

Keep on keeping on.

The author of the piece is an associate professor at Cornell and published author on misogyny. You're an internet troll who gets his kicks smearing victims of sexual assault.

As far as shitting on the thread goes, I've consolidated all of your contributions so far. Any normal person would be absolutely embarrassed by this, but you're not a normal person, you're a clown. Enjoy:

I’ve decided, thanks to you, that I’ll be voting for Biden just out of spite to “both sides” idiots.

I hope it comes out that Biden is a pedophile because I’m sure that would really piss you off.

Hey look at that! I’ve become the Biden version of a Bernie bro and a trump dick sucker! Now I get your mentality!
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I’d rather be a clown than a dumb ass Bernie bro. At least I amuse people
--------------------
Oh he’s aware of what he’s doing, trolls are always aware.
--------------------
I assume nothing, your posts speak for themselves.
--------------------
Just give it up bro. Accept that you were a useful idiot and you got taken by the rights smear campaign. It happens, they’ve got the best propaganda machine behind them.
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Yeah I think we at least need 6-7 Benghazi style investigations about this. If we do more than 7 and nothing comes out then obviously the story was nothing but a hit job. Anything less than six investigations will only mean there are still too many questions left unanswered. Of course if Biden doesn’t win the presidency then we can ignore this whole thing but if he does win it then maybe will have to have some impeachment type investigations brought up (think Kenneth star and the white water scandal that involved infidelity).

/eye roll

For those of you who aren’t using motivated reasoning and who aren’t useful idiots, remember that the number one play used by republicans and the right is to accuse your opponents of the very thing you are guilty of:
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Lol! The point, unsurprisingly, was lost on you. Keep being useful!
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When is Tara coming before the senate or subjecting herself to any sworn testimony?

Looks like more poor understanding from you.
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Are you implying Ford didn’t face any character assassination. Please
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Or you could stop believing every conspiracy and accusations against any democrat. You know, as in stop being a complete tool and stop being intellectually lazy because you are their audience whether you want to admit it or not.
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Lol no they were not legitimate or credible and republicans are on record as saying as much with regards to Hillary.
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Again, your intellectual laziness is astounding as anyone paying the slightest of attention will not only recognize the pattern but will also be aware of their admission to such tactics. You are proof their tactics work.
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My concern with Kavanaugh was his political past and not the allegations against him.

What has been your position on both?

You were saying something about hypocrites?
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What?! Why does anandtech allow perpetrators of rape to post on these forums? Until sandorski provides proof that he didn’t rape eski, he should be banned.

When will you prove the allegations false?
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Rape apologist!
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Damn! The dude is just an overall bad guy! I believe you too because in another thread I saw him he lie about something. What a scumbag!
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I'm voting for Biden to own the righties. I'll ignore all the negatives about Biden just to piss you off.
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Twitter brain rot. It’s, apparently, a real thing.
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My have your standards changed:

I’m sure this means you’ll be laying out your proof in your next post, proof that meets your the high standards you set up for Kavanaugh.

lol
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Judging by the headlines and the concerted push of this story by the right, this appears to be a hit job on Biden. As per the usual hit jobs from the right, I expect no new information that will bolster the case against him will show up but the fervor will continue to ramp up.

It’s Obama’s birth certificate and Benghazi all over again.

Watch as the useful idiots try to defend their position as it crumbles beneath them.
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When you cite shit sources it’s usually because it’s a shit story.

Useful idiot is useful.
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It’s a hit piece folks, watch her bank account

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm not sure what you mean by credibility issues. I've got no problem seeing Biden as a potential rapist. He has a pattern of inappropriate boundaries. I'm not sure what that has to do with whether Tara Reade is credible in a rape accusation. If she didn't have all the problems in her accusation here, Biden's public behavior would be somewhat supportive but also unnecessary. Unless there's something I don't know where Biden has told conflicting stories about this or something like that.

Except that there is no problem with her accusation. People are digging up ancillary stuff and insisting that it's the same as an issue with the accusation itself, it's not.

 

[ivwshane]

Don’t you know folks, the credibility of the person has no bearing on the credibility of the claims made by said person!!


...shit stupid people say.