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The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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sandorski said:
No she did not. You have become a willing victim of a Quote Mine. Same tactic used by Science Deniers of all type. Just like a Climate Change Denier repeated attempts to explain it to you falls on deaf ears. Congrats Bro.
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If her complaint cannot be located will you admit she is probably lying?
 
What I see here is a Putin loving whackjob has targeted Biden.
Coincidence? I think not.

Now obviously there was "something" there long ago, but given the context why should any of it hold weight?
 
sandorski said:
Probably? No.
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So she makes a claim, everyone involved says it doesn’t happen, and then no documentary evidence of it exists. That indicates she is lying about it. If she’s lying about this aspect then nothing she says can be believed.

If it is found, will you admit she is probably telling the Truth?
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No, because it doesn’t address the alleged assault. It would bolster her credibility though, depending on the contents of it and any accompanying investigation.

This is how credibility works. One lie can destroy it, one truth does not make you credible as truth is the default expectation.
 
fskimospy said:
David Axelrod has now weighed in, saying when they vetted Biden for the VP spot they found no formal complaints of sexual harassment, etc.

Yes it’s possible they missed it but VP vetting for national campaigns is serious business and very thorough. To me that makes it unlikely one exists. If it doesn’t exist what remains of her credibility is destroyed.
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Right here:

www.cnn.com

Obama team fully vetted Biden in 2008 and found no hint of former aide's allegation | CNN

Had any credible issue been raised, you can be sure Biden would not have been the nominee. Obama would not have tolerated it, even if he and Biden were close then, which they were not, writes David Axelrod.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
fskimospy said:
So she makes a claim, everyone involved says it doesn’t happen, and then no documentary evidence of it exists. That indicates she is lying about it. If she’s lying about this aspect then nothing she says can be believed.


No, because it doesn’t address the alleged assault. It would bolster her credibility though, depending on the contents of it and any accompanying investigation.

This is how credibility works. One lie can destroy it, one truth does not make you credible as truth is the default expectation.
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It does not mean she is Lying about it any more than if it's found that she is telling the Truth about it. You are applying a Double Standard here, Tails you Win, Heads She loses. I have always said that this Complaint was not a panacea that Proves what happened, just as you stated here, it does bolster her credibility though. However, we have already had numerous Bolsters to her credibility that You and many others have simply ignored and I doubt that finding the Complaint is going to matter to any of you either. Just call it a hunch.
 
sandorski said:
It does not mean she is Lying about any more than if it's found that she is telling the Truth about it. You are applying a Double Standard here, Tails you Win, Heads She loses. I have always said that this Complaint was not a panacea that Proves what happened, just as you stated here, it does bolster her credibility though. However, we have already had numerous Bolsters to her credibility that You and many others have simply ignored and I doubt that finding the Complaint is going to matter to any of you either. Just call it a hunch.
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Sorry if you don’t like how the world works. If she is lying about the complaint then everything else she has said is now suspect. All she has is her credibility and it’s already in serious question given her deceptive editing of her past statements, inconsistencies in her story, etc. a falsehood about the only piece of hard evidence she has claimed existed? Stick a fork in her, she’s done.
 
Judging by the headlines and the concerted push of this story by the right, this appears to be a hit job on Biden. As per the usual hit jobs from the right, I expect no new information that will bolster the case against him will show up but the fervor will continue to ramp up.

It’s Obama’s birth certificate and Benghazi all over again.

Watch as the useful idiots try to defend their position as it crumbles beneath them.
 
ivwshane said:
Judging by the headlines and the concerted push of this story by the right, this appears to be a hit job on Biden. As per the usual hit jobs from the right, I expect no new information that will bolster the case against him will show up but the fervor will continue to ramp up.

It’s Obama’s birth certificate and Benghazi all over again.

Watch as the useful idiots try to defend their position as it crumbles beneath them.
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Yes, there will be continuing calls for Biden to make all his congressional records public so they can be Hillary’s Emailsed. He is smart not to do this and he should never give in to calls for it regardless of how loud they get.

When asked he should simply say that he’s happy to do so as soon as Mike Pence opens his congressional records that are similarly sealed and when Donald Trump opens up the Trump Organization’s records. That’s all he should say: ‘I support full disclosure by all candidates and am happy to coordinate with Donald on opening all our records for investigation.’
 
fskimospy said:
Sorry if you don’t like how the world works. If she is lying about the complaint then everything else she has said is now suspect. All she has is her credibility and it’s already in serious question given her deceptive editing of her past statements, inconsistencies in her story, etc. a falsehood about the only piece of hard evidence she has claimed existed? Stick a fork in her, she’s done.
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Ya, whatever man. Nothing could possibly change your mind. There are even reasons why such a Complaint may no longer exist, but no, lack of it makes her a "Liar". Something you are already 100% convinced of despite numerous corroborations.

Those Edits are meaningless to her story, just added details. The first Edit is presented Deceptively in your Link in such a way that the unaware will think she changed 100% a statement that in proper Context does nothing of the sort.

Just admit it, you don't Care if she is telling the Truth. You have reasons other than the Truth motivating you.
 
sandorski said:
Ya, whatever man. Nothing could possibly change your mind. There are even reasons why such a Complaint may no longer exist, but no, lack of it makes her a "Liar". Something you are already 100% convinced of despite numerous corroborations.
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Yes, I’m sure if it doesn’t turn up you’ll be writing more fan fiction about all the reasons why despite the fact that everyone who would have seen such a complaint has no memory of it and why the documents she claims are there don’t exist that’s all just a coincidence.

Still waiting to hear who told her Biden had the records, by the way.

Those Edits are meaningless to her story, just added details. The first Edit is presented Deceptively in your Link in such a way that the unaware will think she changed 100% a statement that in proper Context does nothing of the sort.
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More fan fiction.

Just admit it, you don't Care if she is telling the Truth. You have reasons other than the Truth motivating you.
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Of course I care if she’s telling the truth. Don’t be silly.
 
fskimospy said:
Yes, I’m sure if it doesn’t turn up you’ll be writing more fan fiction about all the reasons why despite the fact that everyone who would have seen such a complaint has no memory of it and why the documents she claims are there don’t exist that’s all just a coincidence.

Still waiting to hear who told her Biden had the records, by the way.



More fan fiction.


Of course I care if she’s telling the truth. Don’t be silly.
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This video discusses who talked about where the Complaint is allegedly located.


Yes, you care about Truth. Explanations of things are just "Fan Fiction". Fuck You.
 
We have a fresh one. Repubs are trying to use the Kavanaugh sexual assault opposition approach but they are not doing as good a job as dems. I'm afraid this may be the new norm for high level positions.

This accusation sounds weak. Her aunt should be able to be a witness.


lawandcrime.com

Woman Claims Biden Sexually Harassed Her When She Was 14, But New Documents Cast Doubt on Timing (UPDATED) | Law & Crime

The woman, Eva Murry, told Law&Crime that Biden complimented her on the size of her breasts at the Gridiron Dinner & Show in 2008, a long-running roast of and party for politicians, journalists and prominent business figures held each year in Delaware. Murry says she remembers the event...
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A woman says she was sexually harassed by presumptive Democratic Party presidential nominee Joe Biden when she was 14 years old.

The woman, Eva Murry, told Law&Crime that Biden complimented her on the size of her breasts at the First State Gridiron Dinner & Show in 2008, a long-running roast of and party for politicians, journalists and prominent business figures held each year in Delaware. Murry says she remembers the event occurring sometime around May of that year.
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“I remember walking into the lobby and being in awe of all the people in such fancy clothes,” Murry said in an interview. “Our two parties of people gravitated towards each other and everyone started saying their hellos. When it was Biden and my aunt’s turn to say hello he quickly turned to me and asked how old I was. I replied with my age and he replied with the comment ‘Fourteen? You’re very well endowed for 14!’ I was confused but it was definitely weird, he looked me up and down and hovered his eyes on my chest so I had some clue [about] the notion of his comment but didn’t fully understand at the time. We quickly separated from his area after the encounter.”
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Lanyap said:
We have a fresh one. Repubs are trying to use the Kavanaugh sexual assault opposition approach but they are not doing as good a job as dems. I'm afraid this may be the new norm for high level positions.

This accusation sounds weak. Her aunt should be able to be a witness.


lawandcrime.com

Woman Claims Biden Sexually Harassed Her When She Was 14, But New Documents Cast Doubt on Timing (UPDATED) | Law & Crime

The woman, Eva Murry, told Law&Crime that Biden complimented her on the size of her breasts at the Gridiron Dinner & Show in 2008, a long-running roast of and party for politicians, journalists and prominent business figures held each year in Delaware. Murry says she remembers the event...
lawandcrime.com lawandcrime.com
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That is weak, there's video possibly of that incident or something similar to it that I have seen. If it is the same I don't recall Breasts being mentioned though.
 
ivwshane said:
When you cite shit sources it’s usually because it’s a shit story.

Useful idiot is useful.
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Shit Source? Tara Reade herself is interviewed in it, her Neighbour that recently backed her up, the Journalist who has been inquiring about the location of the Complaint is in it, but no "Shit Source". Seems to me it gives a lot of Direct Input into many of the questions people have regarding this issue....but ya Dude, shit source....
 
fskimospy said:
This is a long, but informative thread on why the complaint most likely does not exist, meaning Reade is lying.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256326117734023169
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Short version. At the time, her complaint would have been sent to several different people. Would have triggered a formal process. There's no way Biden could have kept it under raps after she made a formal complaint.

Also, Biden has been vetted not only by Obama, but by GOP oppo research, including the McCain campaign in '08. No one commits a sexual assault just one time in their long life. Where are his other accusers?
 
sandorski said:
Yes, you care about Truth. Explanations of things are just "Fan Fiction". Fuck You.
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For somebody who just said to fskimospy, "Just admit it, you don't Care if she is telling the Truth. You have reasons other than the Truth motivating you.", that 'fuck you' doesn't scream objectivity on your part, if I may say so. Why so upset that somebody doesn't agree with your take on the alleged Biden sexual harassment thingi? Sounds to me like you have some need you may be unaware of motivating you. Perhaps, then, you are projecting.

I have a theory that Trump does make liberals crazy and as someone who saw Sanders as the best answer to him and what ails the United States, I have had my own memories and feelings of hopeless desperation tickled by all of this. But whatever personal insanity lies within me regarding any hope for humanity I feel, I am aware on another level that attachment to hope is just a way to get me to substitute rage at the insanity of others for feeling my own inner hopelessness. And on that front, I had some success because I fell from that 'holding on cliff'. Let me just suggest then, that in my opinion, the joy of being is hidden under the bolder of hopelessness. Winning can happen, and it is a gift your ego can't steal, only by giving up.
 
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