The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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False again. Please provide a quote where they said women should be believed regardless of other information. If not, please apologize for lying about their position.
I provided some of those quotes earlier in the thread starting with Biden himself. Please explain why those quotes are not sufficient.

As for 30% of Democrats believing Reade expect that to crater after this report that shows she’s full of shit.
You sound concerned.

She said she has her personnel files. Are you saying she was lying?
An independent investigation would provide clarity in short order.
 

woolfe9998

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PBS NewsHour tracked down and interviewed 74 former Biden staffers:



Most people didn't remember Reade, those who did remembered her poor job performance leading to her dismissal and question her account of being asked to serve drinks. The article also notes that, while Biden did use the gym in the Capitol, his route to and from the gym was well known and "A recent walk through that area showed the subway tunnel contains no out-of-view areas, like an alcove" as Reade claims she was assaulted in.

Besides the most important overall takeaway from that, which is that not one out of 72 staffers interviewed corroborates anything about Reade's allegations, one particular statement in there is especially problematic for Reade.

Ben Savage, who said his desk was next to Reade’s in the Biden mailroom, disputed her charge that she was forced out of her job in retaliation for a sexual harassment complaint she claims to have filed.

Savage, who worked as the office’s systems administrator, overseeing computers and information processing, told the NewsHour that Reade was fired for her poor performance on the job, which he witnessed — not as retaliation for her complaints about sexual harassment.

But according to Savage, Reade had been mishandling a key part of her job and an essential office task — processing constituent mail, something they worked on together. Savage said he recalls reporting these issues to his boss, deputy chief of staff Dennis Toner. After that, Savage said he began diminishing Reade’s duties, taking over some of her tasks and rerouting parts of the process to exclude her.


“I don’t think anyone would describe these situations as normal. They are troublesome, to say the least.”
“Of all the people who held that position, she’s the only one during my time there who couldn’t necessarily keep up or who found it frustrating,” said Savage, who worked in the office for three years, from 1993 to 1996.

Reade now claims (after giving different versions of it in the past) that she was fired in retaliation for complaining about sexual harassment. This guy says he literally sat next to her work station and directly witnessed her poor work performance, reported her for it, and she was terminated because of it.

Either this guy is a liar or else, what, she was actually assaulted, but was fired for poor performance and is only lying about that part of it?
 
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Jhhnn

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An independent investigation would provide clarity in short order.

By the media, for example? The clarity you seek already exists. She's lying. Not just about this. She has a long history of lying & manipulating.

The Tara story is not one of sexual misconduct. It is rather one of what happens when The Big Lie merges with motivated reasoning and outright trollery. Make it big. Make it bold. Make it so audacious that people won't believe you had the chutzpah to just make it up. "Joe Biden grabbed me by the pussy in the hallway of the Capitol 27 years ago" is just such a lie. It's utterly preposterous.
 

fskimospy

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Sounds like Democrats have chosen to kick a woman down on her luck because she had the audacity to raise allegations against their candidate.
You might want to give this one up.

I know you committed really hard to concern trolling this one but by almost all indications now she’s a lifelong liar. Maybe just admit you were wrong and apologize to Biden?
 

Starbuck1975

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You might want to give this one up.
I am sorry Democrats don’t like the taste of their own BS.

I know you committed really hard to concern trolling this one but by almost all indications now she’s a lifelong liar.
The more balanced articles on this topic acknowledge she could be a liar and also a victim. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe just admit you were wrong and apologize to Biden?
Why would I apologize to Biden for expecting him to be accountable to the standard he advocated for?

Democrats should apologize to Al Franken and Brett Kavanaugh.
 

fskimospy

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I am sorry Democrats don’t like the taste of their own BS.

The more balanced articles on this topic acknowledge she could be a liar and also a victim. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Why would I apologize to Biden for expecting him to be accountable to the standard he advocated for?

Democrats should apologize to Al Franken and Brett Kavanaugh.

So sad.

Honestly you owe Biden an apology at this point. I know you won’t do it, but you should.
 

Jhhnn

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The more balanced articles on this topic acknowledge she could be a liar and also a victim. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Why yes, of course- we should trust this totally untrustworthy person because somehow, some way, her utterly preposterous & ever changing story might actually be true. You betcha.
 

UberNeuman

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So sad.

Honestly you owe Biden an apology at this point. I know you won’t do it, but you should.

He's got far pressing matters to attend to, such as buying mass quantities of lilies to decorate his TRUMP GREAT JOB corona-19 virus float for the Macy's Boyarewefucked Parade. lol.
 

theeedude

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The whole story didn't make sense to me from the beginning. Biden works with her for two years in his office, nothing, and then he just decides to sexually assault her on the spot she found him talking to someone in the middle of a public Senate hallway on a workday in broad daylight? And happens to decide to grab her by the crotch on the day she decides to wear crotchless lingerie to work, after being told by Biden's head of staff that she was dressing to provocatively. Que 27 years of being a loser and/or manipulative liar, and then she all of the sudden falls in love with Russia in 2018, and then completely coincidentally decides to start trashing Biden in early 2019. Something is super fishy there.
 

dank69

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People who have dealt with abuse don’t always end up on a good path. She sure is playing a long game scam against Biden.
Yes I am sure Biden assaulting her is the trigger that sent her down the wrong path. Oh wait, everyone she worked with said she was sketchy before she was supposedly assaulted. Never mind that though. Go down with the ship if you are so inclined. No skin off my back. Even sandorski, someone I was convinced was just trolling because nobody could be that obtuse, is starting to waiver.
 

shortylickens

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Quit crying about the DNC.

When the allegations were legitimate they forced out their own people. Al Franken is a perfect example.
 

fskimospy

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I hope Sandorski and Starbuck can come back and apologize for their attempts to smear Biden because at this point Reade’s allegations seem very, very weak.

She’s a huckster and she drew you in because you wanted to believe. The right thing is to say you were wrong and to apologize.
 

dank69

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Quit crying about the DNC.

When the allegations were legitimate they forced out their own people. Al Franken is a perfect example.
But starbuck handwaves that away with "it was politically convenient." Super duper surprising that Democrats lose when they do and lose when they don't in his world. Super duper surprising that he then projects that incongruence onto us.
 

Starbuck1975

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Yes I am sure Biden assaulting her is the trigger that sent her down the wrong path. Oh wait, everyone she worked with said she was sketchy before she was supposedly assaulted. Never mind that though. Go down with the ship if you are so inclined. No skin off my back. Even sandorski, someone I was convinced was just trolling because nobody could be that obtuse, is starting to waiver.
She was never a sympathetic victim. No skin off my back either that Democrats are hypocrites.