Originally posted by: ahurtt
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You misquoted me. The question about why muslims blame christians for the cursades was not mine. I was merely pointing out that you were accusing a link that somebody else posted as being biased from a jewish slant but you posted a link to a site that was biased from a muslim slant. Unbiased means neutral. Your stance is not neutral. Or do you not see that? You seem to be merely suggesting that your personal bias makes null and void any viewpoint from an opposing bias. So in essence I really wanted to know is, "why should I take your word for it?" if you are unwilling to separate yourself from your faith for a moment and assess yourself and your own faith from the point of view another might see? You are just some guy on an internet chat forum whom I have never met. We cannot truly understand how to get along with one another unless we are willing to try and see ourselves as others see us.
[edit] got the first bit mixed up. fixed. Anyway, my main point was just pointing out that you don't seem to recognize that by discounting the israel based website as biased and promoting one you feel is more from a muslim point of view, you are just promoting your own bias. What makes the Israeli's view any less relevant than your own? Is it because yours is the right one? This kind of thinking is why I think a lot of people say that Islam is not tolerant. They don't see that there is more than one perspective to things in life.
Thank you for clarifying. I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I thought you were the original poster who wanted explanation about why Muslims make a big deal about the Crusades.
In essence, Muslims dont. Muslims on the whole have many grievances; in present day times, the injustice against Muslims stands out. Chechnya, Gujrat, Kashmir, Bosnia, Iraq are all examples of injustice against Muslims. That is not saying all injustices are caused by non-Muslims, but is saying Muslims face many injustices.
There is a segment of the Muslim society which tends to complain about such issues, but the majority does not. They try to lead a proper Muslim life, and influence society, country and the world in a positive way. Some try to do it in a negative way, but that number is not representative of the ideals of the religion and therefore such people are sinning according to Islam.
Now since the original poster suggested Muslims complain about the Crusades according to an Israeli website, I had to point out that is not the case, and I thought the best way to disprove his argument was to quote an Islamic website, since he would not take my personal opinion as a valid argument.
If that seems like bias to you, I cannot help that. I do not think it is bias. You can find a slew of websites around the web with a very negative slant towards Islam. Some are posted in this thread. These sites are not just trying to discredit the religion, but quite honestly, present very perverted and sick arguments, with no relevance to the truth. I have posted a verse taken from such a website and given the actual translation in my original post. I hope you can see the clear discrepancy.
Islam is indeed a tolerant religion. It is also a religion which stands up for the truth. If some website is presenting outright lies, I have to confront it, be it Israeli, Saudi or American. That is not intolerance. The fact is the Crusades were part of Islamic history, but Muslims do not raise hue and cry about it. It is not in our text books, Salahuddin is not regarded as great a hero in the Muslim world as he is in the West, and the Crusades are not considered terribly significant. Yes, it happened, and is taught as part of history, just like the World Wars.
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