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jpiniero said:
1 GB of ram would be tough for Windows. Android would be better.
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How 1GB works is a good question. According to the Anandtech Windows 8.1 with Bing article MS did the following work to help lower system requirements:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8048/windows-81-with-bing

To get to 1 GB of memory space as a minimum, the app store frameworks were refined, and the process lifetime manager is more aggressively suspending apps, as opposed to killing them.
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jpiniero said:
How much do you think Intel is losing on it?
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http://ark.intel.com/products/80273/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735E-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz

It is a $21 chip according to Ark.

P.S. Notice the max memory listed is 1GB and look at the bandwidth (5.3 GB/s)
 
I think those are the kind of CPU that Intel intends to pit agaist quad A7 like the A31, and in that, i think they are very nice, actually Z3735E has the same base clocks and turbos present on Asus T100 Z3740, and im expecting that it will perform very similar on cpu side, thats already top A15 performance at A7 prices, the IGP its gona suffer a lot, but i dont think i can ask more out of a $100 tablet.

Actually the 1GB thing bother me more than the bandwidth.
 
Premature to claim phone victories, yet to see a single good intel phone at my ATT store.


Interesting to see if it really can perform in that kind of thermal envelope. ARM is known for power efficiency at speed and at idle I have yet to see intel or even apple to offer alternatives that provide both.
 
Shivansps said:
I think those are the kind of CPU that Intel intends to pit agaist quad A7 like the A31, and in that, i think they are very nice, actually Z3735E has the same base clocks and turbos present on Asus T100 Z3740, and im expecting that it will perform very similar on cpu side, thats already top A15 performance at A7 prices, the IGP its gona suffer a lot, but i dont think i can ask more out of a $100 tablet.

Actually the 1GB thing bother me more than the bandwidth.
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Quad core A8 will probably rip this apart in GPU but may lose in load power efficiency and idle.

Never discount apple when it comes to engineering. The fact is an iOS device is going to run much better than an android device with similar specs.
 
TreVader said:
Quad core A8 will probably rip this apart in GPU but may lose in load power efficiency and idle.

Never discount apple when it comes to engineering. The fact is an iOS device is going to run much better than an android device with similar specs.
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Cortex A7, not Apple A7.
 
Shiv was talking about a $100 tablet, not really in iPad territory.

edit: The 64bit equivalent of the cortex A7 is the A53.
 
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Shivansps said:
I think those are the kind of CPU that Intel intends to pit agaist quad A7 like the A31, and in that, i think they are very nice, actually Z3735E has the same base clocks and turbos present on Asus T100 Z3740, and im expecting that it will perform very similar on cpu side, thats already top A15 performance at A7 prices, the IGP its gona suffer a lot, but i dont think i can ask more out of a $100 tablet.

Actually the 1GB thing bother me more than the bandwidth.
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Regarding the 5.3 GB/s bandwidth, It will interesting to find out how much that affects HDMI docking to a higher resolution desktop monitor or TV.
 
Is there nothing about Cherry Trail at Computex? Doesn't bode well for holiday 2014, no Cherry Trail based tablets this year I assume.
 
witeken said:
Moorefield, the 2.33GHz Z3580, is about 25% faster than S801 in AndEBench native and 2.5x faster in the java version. I guess it also consumes considerably lower power as well.

Intel will suddenly immediately dominate 2014's fastest phones.
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Where did you get these numbers from?

In the current AndEBench DB, the fastest Intel based device gets 15,059 native and 396 for Java. It's a Z3735E so running @1.83 GHz; if we assume linear scaling to 2.33 GHz that'd give us about 19k and 504.

The fastest S801 based device is getting 17,976 native and 720 for Java.

Very far from the numbers you quote.
 
TreVader said:
Interesting to see if it really can perform in that kind of thermal envelope. ARM is known for power efficiency at speed and at idle I have yet to see intel or even apple to offer alternatives that provide both.
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No, ARM is known for making low power CPUs. ARM's marketing department however did a good job at making people think that lower power = high efficiency and claiming that this was because of ARM's ISA. Intel and review sites disproved this exactly 9 months ago.
 
Nothingness said:
Where did you get these numbers from?

In the current AndEBench DB, the fastest Intel based device gets 15,059 native and 396 for Java. It's a Z3735E so running @1.83 GHz; if we assume linear scaling to 2.33 GHz that'd give us about 19k and 504.

The fastest S801 based device is getting 17,976 native and 720 for Java.

Very far from the numbers you quote.
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Here. I was comparing with Sony Z2.
 
mikk said:
Is there nothing about Cherry Trail at Computex? Doesn't bode well for holiday 2014, no Cherry Trail based tablets this year I assume.
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Atom is at the same level as Core, so I'm quite sure there will. They'll probably launch Airmont at IDF, just like Silvermont.
 
Is it just me but when seeing all these small tablets I hope Vesa Dockport will take off. Dockport was originally AMD Lighting which was in competition with Intel's Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt never really took off in the mainstream market (besides Apple) and AMD Lighting to my understanding is vaporware.

Dockport was announced by Vesa at CES 2014 (January 2014) and they said they finalized the standard and updated it USB 3.1 (Now, Jun 2014).

Hopefully due to it being royalty free and requiring very little chips to implement (since it is just effectively usb 3.1, power, and displayport muxed over a single cable) that we can get hubs/port replicators/docking stations that are close to the price of current usb 3 hubs instead of the exorbitant price of what docking stations cost.

Just imagine plugging in your tablet to recharge it, but now it is your desktop for you plug it in your "hub" which has keyboard, mouse, 4k monitor support, gigabit ethernet, and very quick access times to your home nas over gigabit ethernet. You don't have to worry what is sync at your desktop at work or your desktop at home, you do not have to worry about the cloud for you take the cloud with you.

Oh and such a tablet+docking station can be sub <$300 with a 1920x1080 screen and single thread performance that does not want you to make you gouge your eyes out.
 
Roland00Address said:
Is it just me but when seeing all these small tablets I hope Vesa Dockport will take off. Dockport was originally AMD Lighting which was in competition with Intel's Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt never really took off in the mainstream market (besides Apple) and AMD Lighting to my understanding is vaporware.

Dockport was announced by Vesa at CES 2014 (January 2014) and they said they finalized the standard and updated it USB 3.1 (Now, Jun 2014).

Hopefully due to it being royalty free and requiring very little chips to implement (since it is just effectively usb 3.1, power, and displayport muxed over a single cable) that we can get hubs/port replicators/docking stations that are close to the price of current usb 3 hubs instead of the exorbitant price of what docking stations cost.

Just imagine plugging in your tablet to recharge it, but now it is your desktop for you plug it in your "hub" which has keyboard, mouse, 4k monitor support, gigabit ethernet, and very quick access times to your home nas over gigabit ethernet. You don't have to worry what is sync at your desktop at work or your desktop at home, you do not have to worry about the cloud for you take the cloud with you.

Oh and such a tablet+docking station can be sub <$300 with a 1920x1080 screen and single thread performance that does not want you to make you gouge your eyes out.
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+1 to the affordable docking station.

Also I would really like to have a "lap dock" docking station for an Intel phone assuming Windows 9 does in fact coverge the phone and desktop OS--> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+...C+Xbox+Phone+and+Tablet+OSes/article34992.htm)

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In fact, I would even go so far to say that is a dream of mine. (ie, To be able to replace the x86 system board of nice laptop essentially by replacing/upgrading the phone....yet still keep the nice screen and chassis as as one time purchase)
 
mikk said:
Is there nothing about Cherry Trail at Computex? Doesn't bode well for holiday 2014, no Cherry Trail based tablets this year I assume.
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They launched Bay Trail at Fall IDF last year and got a few designs out, most notably the T100. But you're right... they at least showed off Bay Trail a bit, and we knew about its architecture by this time last year.
 
Not only a bit, Intel demonstrated Bay Trail excessively at Computex last year. No announcement or hint at Computex, I doubt we see Cherry Trail out in the market this year. No status update from Intel for a while or a current leak. Maybe delayed to Q1 2015.
 
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