The Intel Atom Thread

[monstercameron]

Citation needed.

Personal experience here: I have both windows 8.1 and Mavericks machines here in the office (the Mac has slightly better hardware, but it is a more expensive machine) and pretty much everything is more snappy on the windows 8.1 machine. Including all the usual software, photoshop, office, adobe acrobat...etc...

snappiness and power efficiency are separate.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Apple-MacBook-Air-13-Mid-2013-MD760D-A-Subnotebook.96311.0.html

The power consumption heavily relies on the OS used. In general, Mac OS X runs much more efficiently, thus consuming less power. Windows 7 requires a minimum of 5.1 W (brightness level 1, WLAN off) and OS X requires 2.8 W at similar settings. In other tests, the gap between the two grew smaller but the Mac OS could always save one or two Watts more than its Windows counterpart.

mac osx has some lower power idle numbers.

 

[jdubs03]

it's weird. i ran geekbench 3 and i got 618 single-core and 1907 multi-core. how can it be that much lower than the 785/2479 number. the only thing i can think of is the power profile which is on dell/balanced but there is no other choice. ???

 

[dahorns]

snappiness and power efficiency are separate.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Apple-MacBook-Air-13-Mid-2013-MD760D-A-Subnotebook.96311.0.html



mac osx has some lower power idle numbers.

I'm not sure how a review of Windows 7 power efficiency, an operating system designed for the desktop environment, is at all applicable to Windows 8.1, born to work in a mobile world.

At any rate, the example was just provided to show that with the increased battery size, there is reason to think the haswell variants will still have very good battery life.

 

[monstercameron]

I'm not sure how a review of Windows 7 power efficiency, an operating system designed for the desktop environment, is at all applicable to Windows 8.1, born to work in a mobile world.

At any rate, the example was just provided to show that with the increased battery size, there is reason to think the haswell variants will still have very good battery life.

fair enough.

 

[liahos1]

does anyone know if the haswell version of the dell venue pro 11 is fanless?

 

[Arachnotronic]

does anyone know if the haswell version of the dell venue pro 11 is fanless?

I doubt it

 

[liahos1]

I doubt it

I know im sort of doubtful as well BUT....

Verge said it was the fanless version.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4...r-venue-tablets-including-a-microsoft-surface

And I just called dell customer service and they said its fanless fwiw. I asked him like 5x and he sounded confident it was fanless. but you never know with customer service.

Its annoying that its not conclusive. what's also annoying is the venue 8 still hasn't been reviewed. all the anecdotal remarks have been quite positive. You'd think dell would be sending this to every highly trafficked website for a review. horrible.

 

[erunion]

I doubt it

Everything indicates that it is fanless. Its using Haswell Y chips, which are fanless.

The chances of it having a fan on any version are approaching zero percent.

 

[Roland00Address]

Everything indicates that it is fanless. Its using Haswell Y chips, which are fanless.

The chances of it having a fan on any version are approaching zero percent.

Two models of haswell y 6 watt sdp and 4.5 watt sdp. Intel recommends a fan with the 6 watt version, but it is up to the OEM to make that decision and you could make a 6 watt tdp fanless.

Dell uses the 6 watt versions not the 4.5 watt versions.

 

[monstercameron]

Two models of haswell y 6 watt sdp and 4.5 watt sdp. Intel recommends a fan with the 6 watt version, but it is up to the OEM to make that decision and you could make a 6 watt tdp fanless.

Dell uses the 6 watt versions not the 4.5 watt versions.

spd doesn't dictate the use of a fan, tdp does and tdp is ~2x spd numbers intel hands out. Also from what I have seen you knida need a fan for anything over ~6W...

 

[paperwastage]

spd doesn't dictate the use of a fan, tdp does and tdp is ~2x spd numbers intel hands out. Also from what I have seen you knida need a fan for anything over ~6W...

you don't have to.... if you throttle

the thinkpad helix (ivy bridge) goes up to i7-3667U which is a 17W TDP part

you can run the device in tablet mode which doesn't have a fan, but it throttles a lot more

 

[Roland00Address]

spd doesn't dictate the use of a fan, tdp does and tdp is ~2x spd numbers intel hands out. Also from what I have seen you knida need a fan for anything over ~6W...

One chip designer tdp is not the same as another chip designer tdp, since each designer has different target workloads they determine tdp with.

SDP is a different workload than the traditional mobile workload that intel uses for laptops.

If the cooling matches the tdp of the chip the chip will not throttle.

 

[ninaholic37]

New Bay Trails: http://ark.intel.com/compare/76752,76753,76754,79050,79051,79052,79053

We now have both SDP and TDP: TDP is about twice SDP.

$132 looks very high to me.

Hello,

Does anyone know (or have any guesses) as to how well these N28xx/N29xx chips will perform compared to Z3740/Z3770? I noticed that most are only dual-core with no hyperthreading or turbo, but I'm guessing their higher power envelopes will mean they can reach top CPU/GPU frequencies more often? These will probably go mostly into small laptops?

 

[kimmel]

Hello,

Does anyone know (or have any guesses) as to how well these N28xx/N29xx chips will perform compared to Z3740/Z3770? I noticed that most are only dual-core with no hyperthreading or turbo, but I'm guessing their higher power envelopes will mean they can reach top CPU/GPU frequencies more often? These will probably go mostly into small laptops?

They also have pcie ports which Z3770 doesn't have, as well as higher top frequencies in addition to the larger thermal envelope.

 

[Nothingness]

it's weird. i ran geekbench 3 and i got 618 single-core and 1907 multi-core. how can it be that much lower than the 785/2479 number. the only thing i can think of is the power profile which is on dell/balanced but there is no other choice. ???

What happens when you change the power profile?

 

[Sweepr]

Greats news!

HP Omni 10 tab goes on sale: Atom Z3770 (4C/4T up to 2.4GHz), Full HD (1920x1200) 10'' panel, full Windows 8.1 for $399

HP is preparing to roll out one of the most budget-minded 10-inch Windows 8.1 tablets around, the Omni 10. Available on pre-orders already for $400, the slate should start shipping any day now.

Can’t make up your mind between Microsoft’s Surfaces and Dell’s Venue 11 Pro? Then how about we make the choice even more difficult and add the HP Omni 10 in the mix? You know what they say, competition is what drives innovation forward (and what lowers pricing), so even if it’s tough to settle for just one of these, it’s all for the best.

First things first, let’s turn that frown upside down and mention there’s nothing wrong with the Omni 10, as much as you can’t believe its price tag. It doesn’t skimp on build quality, the hardware is sizzling hot and, on the software side of things, you get full Windows 8.1, not RT or anything...

Awesome price by HP here, more than $100 cheaper than the Dell Venue 11 Pro. This might be the best bang for the buck among Bay Trail-T tablets.

Source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/hp-omni...400-full-windows-8-1-full-hd-panel/63163.html

HP Omni 10 5600US Tablet @ Microsoft Store: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/HP-Omni-10-5600US-Tablet/productID.289455000

 

[frozentundra123456]

Greats news!

HP Omni 10 tab goes on sale: Atom Z3770 (4C/4T up to 2.4GHz), Full HD (1920x1200) 10'' panel, full Windows 8.1 for $399

Awesome price by HP here, more than $100 cheaper than the Dell Venue 11 Pro. This might be the best bang for the buck among Bay Trail-T tablets.

Source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/hp-omni...400-full-windows-8-1-full-hd-panel/63163.html

HP Omni 10 5600US Tablet @ Microsoft Store: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/HP-Omni-10-5600US-Tablet/productID.289455000

Nice, but I am not sure I wouldnt rather have the Asus T100. Slower processor, but has a keyboard for the same price or less, I dont recall the price exactly.

Edit: I see this is 1080p also, but contrary to many, low resolution doesn't really bother me on these small screen devices.

 

[Vesku]

The HP model is what I consider the right mix for a Windows 8 tablet, might have to try it out.

 

[Kallogan]

Erf 768p is enough on 10 inches, 1080p is just a battery killer.

 

[dahorns]

I really want to see some benchmarks comparing the various Bay Trail versions before picking which device to buy.

 

[jpiniero]

Erf 768p is enough on 10 inches, 1080p is just a battery killer.

Trust me, you want 1080p. The text quality difference would be substantial.

 

[Shivansps]

The 2GB thing is a big no-no for me, why no one goes for 4GB?

 

[Enigmoid]

Trust me, you want 1080p. The text quality difference would be substantial.

+1

1080p is IMO the ideal resolution for 10" tablets and 15" laptops. Perfect balance between battery life and text quality.

 

[jpiniero]

The 2GB thing is a big no-no for me, why no one goes for 4GB?

IIRC there are some W8 power saving features for BT that are only available on the 32-bit version. Plus it gives them something to sell for the mid 2014 models.

 

[monstercameron]

The 2GB thing is a big no-no for me, why no one goes for 4GB?

dram prices rose significantly over the past few months, this could be a huge cost saving...