The Intel Atom Thread

[Shivansps]

just for the heck of it, i tried to play Rise of Nations extended edition on a Bay Trail tablet. I ran without glitches or anything, but was only about 20FPS. Not really a good experience. Surprisingly changing the graphical settings had absolutely no effect on the framerate. So it would appear to have been cpu limited. However, it was one of those cheap microcenter tablets with very small internal storage, so i was running from a SD card with only 1gb of ram, so it could have been related to one of those.

Does anyone know how much system ram is allocated to the igp, and can this be set by the user?

The 1GB ones are Z3735G 32bit ram bus, = good luck.

The 64 Bit ones, the Z3735D/F, are way better, still you are mostly limited to 800x600 in everything.

And the Z3740 128-bit in the Asus T100 seems significaly faster.

in a insight, the BT igp is not much better than the 2008 AMD 780G, the E-350 IGP is better, still the E-350 and Z3735D can play about the same games because of the CPU, doubling the IGP power of BT may put intel directly in line or just over the Bobcat IGP, and thats kinda good for a tablet.

 

[kpkp]

For what is worth...

 

[ninaholic37]

What is it's predecessor? I thought logically that Baytrail would be Cherrytrail's predecessor.

I don't get what mikk is saying either... Valleyview IS a Bay Trail. It sounds like mikk is saying that Valleyview/Bay Trail is faster than itself... which has nothing to do with your reply OR his original links (which are talking about CherryView). :awe:

 

[elemein]

I don't get what mikk is saying either... Valleyview IS a Bay Trail. It sounds like mikk is saying that Valleyview/Bay Trail is faster than itself... which has nothing to do with your reply OR his original links (which are talking about CherryView). :awe:

This is really confusing... I'm not liking these naming schemes I just wanna know if Cherry Trail is Bay Trails sucessor (it is, no?) and if so, are the benches we just got Cherry Trail's CPU or something else?

 

[Arachnotronic]

This is really confusing... I'm not liking these naming schemes I just wanna know if Cherry Trail is Bay Trails sucessor (it is, no?) and if so, are the benches we just got Cherry Trail's CPU or something else?

Cherry Trail is Bay Trail's successor. CherryView is the name of the SoC that is part of the Cherry Trail platform.

 

[Sweepr]

DigiTimes: Intel aims to ship at least 44 million tablet APs in 2015, expects Cherry Trail tablets in April

Intel achieved its goal of shipping 40 million tablet APs in 2014 and for 2015, Intel has raised the goal by 10% to 44 million units, to account for one third of the non-Apple tablet shipments in 2015, according to sources from tablet players.

Although Intel's tablet segment is still suffering from losses, the CPU giant expects the losses to narrow significantly in 2016 as it acquires the leading position in the non-Apple tablet camp.

Intel reportedly had thought of quitting the tablet market because of the huge losses, but still decided to continue to avoid damage to its PC, smartphone and wearable device businesses and crippled its integration advantage in the Internet of things (IoT) competition.

However, Intel has adjusted its subsidy policies and will provide subsidies on a case-by-case basis, with the coverage expanded to 12-inch devices.

Tablets using the latest Cherry Trail processors are expected to become available in April. Intel is also developing next-generation processors for 2016, which could help it reduce costs and losses.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20150116PD210.html

Cherry Trail based tablets in April. Hopefully ASUS, Dell, HP and others are readying new tablets and convertibles.

ECS LIVA X Review: A Fanless Bay Trail-M mini-PC

Over the last couple of years, mini-PCs in the ultra-compact form factor (UCFF) have emerged as one of the bright spots in the troubled PC market. ECS made their entry in the market through the LIVA. Despite being an innovative product in the mini-PC space, it did suffer from a few questionable devisions with respect to the chassis design. The placement of the USB ports was not user-friendly, and the unit didn't appear sturdy either. ECS has iterated fast and put out an updated version (with a different chassis and motherboard design as well as a few tweaked internals) in the form of the LIVA X.

http://anandtech.com/show/8883/ecs-liva-x-review-a-fanless-bay-trailm-minipc

Asus EeeBook X205 budget Windows laptop review

Asus practically invented the netbook with the launch of the Eee PC line of low-cost, mini-laptops in 2007. While the netbook moniker has fallen out of fashion in recent years, there’s no shortage of inexpensive portable computers these days, including Chromebooks, 2-in-1 tablets, and more basic laptops. Still, Asus has a longer history in this space than most companies — so when Asus introduced a $199 Windows laptop called the EeeBook X205 in late 2014, it generated a fair bit of buzz.

There’s a 38 Wh battery under the hood, which Asus says should offer up to 12 hours of run time. I never managed to get quite that much battery life during normal use, but I did regularly get close to 10 hours.

But in many ways the EeeBook X205 doesn’t feel like just another netbook. It feels like the evolution of the netbook: a higher form of budget portable computer. It has a processor that’s fast enough to keep up with common computing tasks, an operating system that’s designed to run smoothly on low-end hardware, and it sells for half the price of the original Asus Eee PC (which had a list price for $400 when it launched in 2007).

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/asus-eeebook-x205-budget-windows-laptop-review.html

Zotac ZBOX CI320 nano Review: A Fanless Bay Trail-M mini-PC

Over the last couple of years, mini-PCs in the ultra-compact form factor (UCFF) have emerged as one of the bright spots in the troubled PC market. Zotac is no stranger to this segment. In fact, their nano xs units came to the market before the Intel NUC, even though the NUC is credited with kickstarting the UCFF trend. Intel's Bay Trail family of SoCs has proved to be an affordable and low-power candidate for UCFF PC units. We have already evaluated a couple - the actively cooled GIGABYTE BXBT-1900 and and the fanless ECS LIVA.

The low power nature of the Bay Trail SoCs makes them very amenable to passively cooled systems. Zotac introduced the C-Series passively cooled PCs last year. It also includes a Bay Trail-based unit, the ZBOX CI320 nano. We have already looked at the ZBOX CI540 nano (based on Intel Haswell-Y) and ZBOX CA320 nano (based on AMD Temash) in detail. The build and feature set of the ZBOX CI320 nano are very similar.

The Zotac ZBOX CI320 nano provided us with an opportunity to evaluate one of the more configurable, but passively cooled Bay Trail UCFF PCs in the market. Passively cooled systems are either very costly (particularly if they integrate powerful CPUs) or downright abysmal in performance (when they integrate the low-end / low-power CPUs such as the older Atoms). Zotac's offering with the ZBOX CI320 nano aims to strike a balance.

http://anandtech.com/show/8815/zotac-zbox-ci320-nano-review-a-fanless-bay-trailm-minipc

Asustor's 5 Series Packs Intel Bay Trail Celerons

Since last CES, a couple of Asustor offerings have been put under our review scanner, and we were naturally excited to meet up with them at CES 2015. Towards the middle of December, Asustor had launched the 50T and 51T series NAS models (in 2- and 4-bay varieties) based on the Bay Trail Celerons. While the 50T packs the dual-core Celeron J1800 running at 2.41 GHz, the 51T uses the quad-core J1900 at 2.0 GHz. [...]

http://anandtech.com/show/8866/asustors-5-series-packs-intel-bay-trail-celerons

 

[mikk]

What is it's predecessor? I thought logically that Baytrail would be Cherrytrail's predecessor.

Chery View from Geekbench and Sisoft seems Braswell based which is coming for entry desktop.

Intel Corp. Braswell CRB
Intel CHERRYVIEW B1 PLATFORM Cherryview System (Intel Braswell CRB)

Predecessor:

J1750
J1800
J1850
J1900
J2850
J2900


And therefore 1,36 Ghz is a low clocked ES. Slowest Valleyview-D has a 2.00 Ghz base.

 

[witeken]

It seems like Windows phones may finally be getting support for Intel inside. Just about time.

 

[Sweepr]

Windows 10 could help Intel's mobile push. Moorefield, Cherry Trail, Broadwell/Skylake - different chips for different mobile devices, all running the same OS.

Windows 10 is designed to work on tablets, notebooks, and phones

Microsoft is starting to show off new features for the upcoming Windows 10 operating system. The OS is designed to run across a range of devices including phones, tablets, and notebooks, and the latest builds are designed to make it easy for users to transition from tablet to notebook mode or back again when using 2-in-1 devices.

And while there had been some rumors suggesting that small Windows tablets would only be able to run full-screen apps in the future, and not desktop-style apps, Microsoft has shown off an early build of Windows 10 which can run either type of app — and in fact, you can run Windows Store apps in smaller Windows which you can move about the screen.

Microsoft’s next version of Windows for phones will be based on some of the same code as Windows for desktop, notebook, and tablet computers. The company is starting to show what Windows 10 will look like on phones. In a lot of ways, it looks like Windows Phone 8.1, but many of the new features in Windows 10 for phones are tied to improvements in Windows for PCs.

....Microsoft says the smartphone version of Windows 10 that it’s demonstrating isn’t just for phones… it’s also for tablets with screens smaller than 8 inches, so the new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint which the company is showing off are universal apps available for all sorts of touchscreen devices, although they’ll be included with smartphone builds of Windows 10 (it’s not clear if you’ll have to pay extra to use Office on PCs).

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/windows-10-designed-work-tablets-notebooks-phones.html
http://liliputing.com/2015/01/microsoft-shows-windows-10-smartphones.html

Ps: Still no AnandTech article about it? I bet there would be at least 3 by now if this was an Apple event.

 

[liahos1]

It seems like Windows phones may finally be getting support for Intel inside. Just about time.

how do you figure that? I watched the event and I thought it looked really good. I'm just wondering - given the current app ecosystem for W8 does not support x86 wouldnt that prevent them for support x86 in w10?

also does anyone know if cortana always on support will be available for existing haswell/broadwell based devices?

 

[witeken]

how do you figure that? I watched the event and I thought it looked really good. I'm just wondering - given the current app ecosystem for W8 does not support x86 wouldnt that prevent them for support x86 in w10?

also does anyone know if cortana always on support will be available for existing haswell/broadwell based devices?

From The Verge live blog:

A: We're not announcing new hardware today, but our platform has robust support for Intel processors.
11:25:34 AM PST
Q: So Windows Phone can be running on x86 processors?

 

[exar333]

Excited for Cherry Trail....

My Baytrail NAS has been fantastic and is heads and tails above non-Intel packaged-NAS solutions. Cherry Trail should see more and more design wins, especially in the NAS area due to it's great transcoding ability. Definitely will be looking to upgrade from a 2C BT to a 4C CT when 4k video is more and more prevalent.

 

[Nothingness]

Some new Cherry Trail Geekbench results with a new revision, C0 (stepping 3) up from B1 (stepping 2).

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1754467

I hope these still are not definitive results, as they are below some Silvermont results: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/518321?baseline=1754467

 

[Arachnotronic]

Some new Cherry Trail Geekbench results with a new revision, C0 (stepping 3) up from B1 (stepping 2).

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1754467

I hope these still are not definitive results, as they are below some Silvermont results: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/518321?baseline=1754467

Wonder if they're having trouble hitting desired peak frequency on the CPU front. Broadwell turbo frequency was actually lower than Haswell-ULT, so same phenomenon may be playing out here.

 

[mikk]

Retail SKU name still missing which always is an indicator of a not production ready ES (no surprise given that it's coming in half a year). As long as the SKU name is missing it isn't meaningful. Also it's a Braswell.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1741368

Here is a 2.00 Ghz Valleyview-D. Almost identical score despite the much higher base frequency. AES support seems new, look at the difference: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1741368?baseline=1754467

 

[Arachnotronic]

Retail SKU name still missing which always is an indicator of a not production ready ES (no surprise given that it's coming in half a year). As long as the SKU name is missing it isn't meaningful. Also it's a Braswell.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1741368

Here is a 2.00 Ghz Valleyview-D. Almost identical score despite the much higher base frequency. AES support seems new, look at the difference: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1741368?baseline=1754467

Bay Trail-M/D do not have AES, AFAIK. Bay Trail-T, I think, does.

 

[witeken]

Wonder if they're having trouble hitting desired peak frequency on the CPU front. Broadwell turbo frequency was actually lower than Haswell-ULT, so same phenomenon may be playing out here.

It has nothing to do with the 14nm transistor.

 

[Nothingness]

It has nothing to do with the 14nm transistor.

Sometimes you are so affirmative that I wonder if you work for Intel

 

[witeken]

Sometimes you are so affirmative that I wonder if you work for Intel

Broadwell will *easily* reach 4GHz, let alone 2.7GHz.

Or do you think Intel released 4-4.4GHz DC knowing BDW-K would be slower?

 

[TechFan1]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2874352/microsofts-hololens-uses-unreleased-intel-atom-chip.html

According to PCWorld Microsoft's HoloLens will contain a cherry trail chip for cpu and gpu.

 

[Arachnotronic]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2874352/microsofts-hololens-uses-unreleased-intel-atom-chip.html

According to PCWorld Microsoft's HoloLens will contain a cherry trail chip for cpu and gpu.

Interesting.

 

[III-V]

Broadwell will *easily* reach 4GHz, let alone 2.7GHz.

Or do you think Intel released 4-4.4GHz DC knowing BDW-K would be slower?

I think they probably did not know how well BDW-K would clock.

 

[Nothingness]

Broadwell will *easily* reach 4GHz, let alone 2.7GHz.

Do you mean Intel will use the exact same process and design rules for Cherry as they do for Broadwell? If not, the Broadwell comparison is pointless.

 

[Nothingness]

I think they probably did not know how well BDW-K would clock.

Most likely missed the information, did Intel release BDW-K full specs?

 

[III-V]

Most likely missed the information, did Intel release BDW-K full specs?

No, I was just pointing out that Intel wouldn't have had any real idea on how well Broadwell-K would have clocked back when Devil's Canyon launched.

It has nothing to do with the 14nm transistor.

I guarantee you that process does have some effect on frequency