witeken
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Seems like a bad idea to put out an Atom based phone only a quarter before you can release it with a much lower power 14nm version of the same thing...
Cherry Trail isn't for phones.
Seems like a bad idea to put out an Atom based phone only a quarter before you can release it with a much lower power 14nm version of the same thing...
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/6/7499533/intel-cherry-trail-atom-chips-announced-ces-2015
".. Cherry Trail will be able to play nicely with its LTE-Advanced modems, meaning faster data connections even on cheaper devices."
The Verge is a rather awful site, when it comes to the journalists knowing what they're talking about.You do not put the latest/"greatest" SoC in a $199 phone, let's be realistic, ASUS must have got a great deal from Intel for the "old" gen. SoCs.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/6/7499533/intel-cherry-trail-atom-chips-announced-ces-2015
".. Cherry Trail will be able to play nicely with its LTE-Advanced modems, meaning faster data connections even on cheaper devices."
The Verge is a rather awful site, when it comes to the journalists knowing what they're talking about.
LTE-enabled tablets. Cherry Trail is a tablet-only platform.
Given that Intels press release today was short and mentioned connectivity with their XMM726x modem with Cat 6 LTE with aggregation, it sounds specifically that Cherry Trail for smartphones/tablets is the order of the day, rather than larger or desktop systems. Cherry Trail will also be a focus point for Intels RealSense technology, with Intel wanting to promote their no wires, no password philosophy.
It's confusing. On Anandtech they also mention smartphones in the Cherry Trail article:
In line with Intel's claims of 2x...but Tegra X1 is the kind of performance Intel should be delivering.
Really wish Intel stuck to its Broxton launch schedule.
Tegra x1 shouldnt be the comparison. Nvidia literally said they didn't make x1 for phones at their CES keynote. They talked the entire time about cars, didn't mention tablets at all.
Though, Nvidia probably ignored talking about mobile because of a lack of design wins, not because they don't think its important.
In line with Intel's claims of 2x...but Tegra X1 is the kind of performance Intel should be delivering.
Really wish Intel stuck to its Broxton launch schedule.
Cherry Trail isn't for phones either. Only Broxton will combine the Tablet and Smartphone division. But a 15W "Ultrabook" chip on a oh so great 14nm loses to a <10W 20nm Tablet so it doesn't even matter.Nvidia literally said they didn't make x1 for phones at their CES keynote.
Considering that even HD 5300 in Core M loses to X1, there's no chance Cherry Trail could have been anything like that. Actually in both Manhattan and T-Rex, even the HD 5500 loses to X1.
Also remember how they said Gen 8 will be a revolutionary change? Well, its the smallest gain in many years.
Unless I misused the interface, the best Bay Trail results are 21.1 and 10.9. These were obtained on a Acer A1-840 FHD running Android on a Z3745 (couldn't find any Windows results...).T-Rex Offscreen: 35.3 FPS
T-Rex Onscreen 25.1 FPS
Manhattan Offscreen: 20.1 FPS
Manhattan Onscreen: 15.9 FPS
http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benc...l(R)+CherryView+HD+Graphics&testgroup=overall
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And here's the best BayTrail results:
T-Rex Offscreen: 17.9 FPS
Manhattan Offscreen: 9.6 FPS
But anyway I don't get the GPU hype in such devices. Buy a real PC or console if you want to play games. I mean even if it can play games it will drain the battery like crazy and then you go from 1 day to maybe 3-4 hours per charge. So 3D gaming on a mobile phone is kind of dumb IMHO.
Personally, I love the fact that my tablet can play games. When I travel (back home to see the parents for Christmas, or staying in a hotel for work) I can just take my Haswell tablet and an XBox controller with me, and I can play all sorts of older games from Steam at reduced settings just fine. It's not going to run Assassin's Creed Unity or anything, but it still keeps me entertained.
Shame that Broadwell's GPU doesn't seem to be much of an improvement. I was hoping for an Ivy Bridge style doubling of performance.
Unless I misused the interface, the best Bay Trail results are 21.1 and 10.9. These were obtained on a Acer A1-840 FHD running Android on a Z3745 (couldn't find any Windows results...).
Indeed. I think Cherry Trail will be a good match for the type of player you described, especially when on a budget ($100-300 PCs/mobile devices). The lower-power Airmont cores should allow the GPU to boost to higher clocks than Broadwell-Y. Cherry Trail's iGPU comes in 8 EU and 16 EU flavours, the GFXBench submission probably comes from the 16 EU version.