The Intel Atom Thread

Page 131 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Mar 10, 2006
11,715
2,012
126
Hmm not sure why anybody would but bay trail if Core M can do a 10x better job.


Intel needs to stop polluting the environment with crappy tablets that nobody need nor wants. They stifle competition and destroy good designs by shoving bay trail into every vendors mouth. Race to the bottom will end with Intel 6 feet under an apple tree.

Huh?

Bay Trail goes into low-cost tablets. Not everybody has the financial means to pay $799+ for a Core M based tablet, and even then, Core M won't be found inside of a 7-inch device.

Some people just want a cheap 7-8 inch device with which to surf the web, watch a movie or two, and use Skype.

Also, I don't know how Bay Trail "destroys good designs."

Seriously, look at the ASUS MeMO Pad 7. That design went from having a really low performance MediaTek chip to a very fast and respectable Atom Z3745 in its second iteration. Not quite Snapdragon 800/805 performance, but VERY good for the price.

Your perspective here needs some adjustment, methinks.
 

inf64

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2011
3,697
4,015
136
I own a BT based android tablet :) (TF103). It's mighty little chip I have to say, battery life is solid and for its price the tablet is very fast(hangs in the mid to top of the benchmark charts usually). The only downside of having an x86 based android tablet is the fact that Adobe flash is not working and will probably never work. They did bring support for BT for Adobe AIR so not all hope is lost (yet).

BT is pretty solid intel product I gotta say ;).
 

bullzz

Senior member
Jul 12, 2013
404
23
81
ya hopefully its moorefield since it says gaming. bay trail will make this as bad as the initial google TV
 

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,142
131
1.8GHz quad-core, interesting. Probably an Atom Z3560 (Moorefield), slightly faster graphics performance than the Snapdragon 801. Overall a very capable chip. That's an important design win for Intel in the Android space. :)
 

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,142
131
I had missed the PowerVR mention on Google page. So it's Moorefield.

Nice find. The cheapest Snapdragon 801 devices cost >$300. An Atom Z3560-based Nexus Player should offer slightly better gaming performance inside a $99 device. Great bang for the buck, should easily outclass Amazon's Fire TV (Snapdragon 600) and help developers optimize Android games for Intel chips.

Intel_MooreField_Snapdragon_801.jpg
 

cbn

Lifer
Mar 27, 2009
12,968
221
106
I'm glad to see the following device coming (Bay Trail HDMI stick):

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/windows-compatible-hdmi-tv-stick-intel-bay-trail-cpu.html

Specs:

Atom Z3735F processor with 1GB of RAM and 32-bit software support or an Atom Z3735G processor with 2GB of RAM and support for 64-bit software.

Each version should be available with 16GB to 32GB of eMMC storage, a microSD card slot, 2 micro USB 2.0 ports, a full-sized USB 2.0 port, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, and an HDMI connector.

It measures 3.9″ x 1.5″ x 0.4″ and weighs about 1.6 ounces.

meego-t01.jpg
 

Shivansps

Diamond Member
Sep 11, 2013
3,848
1,518
136
oh crap, it has a faulty Intel TXE... it says "Code 10: Device status power failure" on the driver and the bios does not show up anthing under "Intel TXE", there is a option to enable/disable and something else that everyone but me has.

The TXE seems to be causing it to randomly shut down, a failed TXE can really do that?!
 

Shivansps

Diamond Member
Sep 11, 2013
3,848
1,518
136
Ok games fps diference from 800x600 to 1280x800 is kinda huge, the problem im noticing is that it adds the black bars instead of stretching it...
 

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,142
131
Onda V891w 1920x1200 quad-core Bay Trail tablet now available for $130 (Windows 8.1)

onda-v891w.jpg


The ONDA V891w is an Intel-powered tablet recently released by ONDA. It is one of the many 8.9-inch slates we have seen recently, and now on sale for only RMB799 ($130) on Tmall.com.

The V891w sports an 8.9-inch IPS display at the resolution of 1920*1200, and is powered by the all-too-familiar Intel Atom BayTrail Z3735F quad-core processor along with 2GB RAM. The small screen bezel and the location of the Home button makes it easy to use both in horizontal and portrait mode. As the screen is smaller than 9-inch, the V891w gets free authorized Windows 8.1 OS and one year of free Office 365. The slate has 32GB eMMc as internal storage, and a Micro SD card slot to further expand the capacity for media files. Not only does the tablet have dual cameras, the rear-facing one is 5MP with auto-focus support.

While most of the 8.9-inch Windows tablets are priced around RMB1,000 ($163), V891w’s $130 price tag is really quite attractive.

Main Features:

- Windows 8.1 Operating System
- 8.9-inch IPS display at 1920*1200
- Intel Atom Bay-trail Z3735F CPU, Intel HD Graphics Gen7 GPU
- 2GB RAM
- 32GB eMMc
- Wi-Fi, Wi-Di, Bluetooth 4.0, USB Host
- 2MP/5MP cameras

http://cngadget.info/2014/10/23/8-9-inch-win8-tablet-for-only-130
http://liliputing.com/2014/10/onda-v891w-8-9-inch-windows-tablet-200.html

Asus EeeBook X205 $199 Windows laptop coming in November

asus-x205ta.jpg


The Asus EeeBook X205 is a portable Windows notebook with an 11.6 inch display, up to 12 hours of battery life, and a case that measures just 0.7 inches thick and weighs 2.2 pounds. First introduced in September, the Asus EeeBook X205TA is now available for pre-order from Amazon for $199. It should start shipping November 3rd.

The notebook features an Intel Atom Z3735 quad-core Bay Trail processor, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB to 64GB of storage. It has an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel display, Windows 8.1 with Bing software, 2 USB 2.0 ports, 802.11n WiFi, a microSD card reader and micro HDMI port. [...]

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/asus-eeebook-x205-199-windows-laptop-coming-november.html

HP Stream 11 laptop now available for $200

stream-11.jpg


The HP Stream 11 is a Windows notebook with an 11.6 inch display, an Intel Celeron N2840 Bay Trail processor, and a fanless design.

It also happens to be ridiculously cheap for a Windows notebook. After unveiling the laptop in September, HP is now selling the Stream 11 for just $200. That’s the list price. Don’t be surprised if you see this little notebook sold at even lower prices as the holidays approach.

HP outfits the computer with 2GB of RAM, 32GB of flash storage, a 37Wh batter, 1 USB 3.0 port, 1 USB 2.0 port, HDMI output, a headset jack, and an SD card reader. It has a 1366 x 768 pixel matte display, but the viewing angles are limited. The notebook measures 11.8″ x 8.1″ x 0.8″ and weighs 2.8 pounds, and HP says it should offer up to 8 hours and 15 minutes of battery life. [...]

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/hp-stream-11-laptop-now-available-200.html

E Fun introduces a $179, 10 inch Windows 2-in-1 tablet

nextbook-10.jpg


Budget Android tablet maker E Fun is branching out into Windows tablets. The E Fun Nextbook 10.1 Windows tablet features an Intel Atom Bay Trail processor, a 1280 x 800 pixel IPS display and a detachable keyboard that lets you use the system like a notebook.

It’ll sell for $179 when it hits Walmart in mid-November. Pre-orders begin October 23rd. The 2-in-1 tablet should also be available at Sam’s Club starting in Decembers. Nextbook is known for offering cheap hardware, not necessarily high-quality hardware. So don’t expect miracles from this $179 convertible tablet. It has just 1GB of RAM and 32GB of storage, and an Intel Atom Z3735G processor. [...]

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/e-fun-introduces-179-10-inch-windows-2-1-tablet.html

Samsung launches Chromebook 2 with Bay Trail for $250

samsung-chromebook-2_01.jpg


As expected, Samsung is expanding its line of Chrome OS laptops with a new Samsung Chromebook 2 powered by an Intel Celeron N2840 Bay Trail processor.

The new Chromebook features an 11.6 inch display, 2GB of RAM, and 16GB of storage. It sells for $250, which makes it cheaper than a model with an ARM-based chip. Samsung charges $300 and up for a Chromebook 2 with an Exynos 5 Octa processor (although you can often find one for less). [...]

http://liliputing.com/2014/10/samsung-launches-chromebook-2-bay-trail-250.html

Dell Venue 8 7000 (World's Thinnest Tablet) launches in November - 8.4 inch, 2560 x 1600 pixel OLED display (should cost $499)

dell-venue-8-7000-series_02.jpg


www.tabtech.de/android-bzw-google-t...-fuer-499-dollar-ab-ende-november-erhaeltlich

Impressive bang for the buck from the new Bay Trail designs. Only $130 for a full Windows 8.1 tablet with a nice 1920x1200 screen. ASUS Nexus 7 (2013) costs an extra ~$100. ASUS's new $199 notebook should be a hit, I bet this Windows laptop will sell more than most Chromebooks and the ASUS T100. Dell's Moorefield based tablet also looks like a great product.
 
Last edited:

Shivansps

Diamond Member
Sep 11, 2013
3,848
1,518
136
fNcSR6B.jpg


Just trying to run fallout new vegas...

Im gona say impressed how good "Iron Sky Invasion" runs at 800x600, its mostly at 50-60fps unless you get too close to capitals ships, and its the kind of game that you play to pass time.

CT gona make this so much good, there way too many games that are on the bordeline of playable, a IGP improvement is what BT needs.
 
Last edited:

Roland00Address

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2008
2,196
260
126
So who is going to be the first mainstream manufacturer to make a computer like the Asus EeeBook X205 but with an actual ips touchscreen and detachable for the $199 price tag? Not these chinese I have never heard of brands but an actual detachable in the 10 or 11.6" size.

I ask for the hardware costs are now cheap enough ($130 for a 1920x1200, 2gb, 32gb and they are still making profit) it should be quite easy for someone to make an actual usable dock in a larger form factor even if your screen goes down to 1366x768.

* I ask for the HP Omni got down for $249 not as a clearance price but just that price for a while. No dock but still a 1920x1200 ips screen.
* The Acer Aspire Switch 10 and the T100 hover around $300 for new models all the time.
* We also have a 13" $300 ips Tegra k1 chromebook, and a 13" ips Toshiba Baytrail.


I ask for once you get the normal "bottom market" on ips then the real laptops and premium computers have to go ips as well and we can finally move away from crappy laptop screens. Will it be 12 months or 24 months before we can move away from TN and onto something like IPS, PLS, IZGO, OLED, VA, anything but washed out TN garbage. (now some TNs are decent but those are few and far between).
 

Roland00Address

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2008
2,196
260
126
This is the reason of why someone cant remove the recovery partition of a BT device, they seems to be all using this way of installing windows.
http://blogs.windows.com/itpro/2014/04/10/what-is-windows-image-boot-wimboot/
Simple english

You can't remove your recovery partition since with some versions of flash storage/ssd you are using your recovery partition as your OS. The old way of doing windows was to have a recovery partition that was very compressed files(something similar to a dvd iso) and an uncompressed version that was roughly 7 to 10 GB that you dealt with a daily basis. Windows used the uncompressed version of the OS for it made so much faster performance difference especially on spindle drives.

At the same time Windows from Vista to Windows 8.0 though tried to have several copies of several files so in case a file went missing or was corrupted or a bad install windows could fix it or recovery it. This is why things such as the winsys folder got larger since with every update windows was keeping multiple copies around for backup purposes.

-----

Because of all this keeping vista, 7, or 8 with a hard drive that was sub 40 GBs was kinda hard. No matter what often your OS was going to end up with 25 to 32ish GBs. XP on the other hand was quite easy to keep small if you know what to do. I easily kept XP on a 8gb Asus EEE once you used Nlite and removed some unnecessary xp components.

-----

Windows 8.1 but especially Windows 8.1 devices with Windows Bing that are sub $250 will be trying to move away from the vista to 8 way of doing things and keeping everything on a small flash storage. With flash memory there is far less downsides of doing this than with hard drives. Furthermore with flash memory you can make things like 16gb or 32gb cheap options since flash memory scales upwards and downwards while with spindle hard drives no matter the drive size their is a fixed item cost due to the platters, spindles, etc. No matter what a spindle drive is going to cost at least $10 to make while flash memory you can make GBs for only a $1 or so (depending on quality and quantity of course).
 

Roland00Address

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2008
2,196
260
126
New processors I have not seen yet.

Compare All Product Name Status Launch Date # of Cores TDP Recommended Customer Price Processor Graphics ‡
Compare Intel® Atom™ Processor Z3736G
(2M Cache, up to 2.16 GHz) Launched Q2'14 4 TRAY: $20.00 Intel® HD Graphics
Compare Intel® Atom™ Processor Z3736F
(2M Cache, up to 2.16 GHz) Launched Q2'14 4 TRAY: $20.00 Intel® HD Graphics
http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/55844/Bay-Trail#@All
Cheap tray price. Who knows what the final price is after volume discounts and contra revenue. Uses Intel's HD Graphics and not imagination tech (better for windows who knows for android).

Cheap Chinesse Tablet using this processor

http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tecl...ndows-8-1--2048-1536-IPS-2GB-32GB-335781.html

Pretty much a chinese Ipad Air using baytrail. 9.7" 2048x1536,turbo up to 2.16ghz, 2GB of Ram, 32GB Storage, Micro SD, Micro HDMI. Same width and height as ipad air, 1/10th of a mm thinner. Runs Android 4.4 supposedly you can put windows on it. No 5ghz wifi though. Who knows what battery life, it is 8500mAH, the air is 8600mAH. They quote 5 to 10 hours, but you know these numbers are always wrong.

It would be awesome to see such a device with 64gb of Storage and a dual boot OS. Of course this would never happen with microsoft or google's approval, and even if it did it is bigger than 8.9" and once the device reaches the US from a non chinese brand you know the final price would be more than $250.
 

Shivansps

Diamond Member
Sep 11, 2013
3,848
1,518
136
The Onda V891w does not have hdmi... man wth, you just cant do that, BT even supports DP 1.2 if you dont want to pay the hdmi royalty...