The Inq Calls the 7900 a 7800GTX 512 Repeate

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
80-90C isnt a factor for the GPU. its rated at that and higher.

Really? You realize just because it's 'rated' higher doesn't mean anything? Most cards will artifact at that temp, and unless you missed video card school, artifacting is bad, and so is heat.

Heat is bad if the components cannot tolerate it. If the heat output is within the tolerable limits of the components used, then you'd see no issues.

My x19000xtx does not have any artifacts and reading various boards, I haven't seen this as being an issue. This particular core and it's components handle these temps without any issue so I'm not sure what you're basing your artifacting conclusion on.

WOAH x19000xt, one hell of a card!!! many GPU's can handle those temps (80-90c) without artifacting...but i can't believe anyone would be comfortable with their GPU running a those temps...artifacting or not.

 

[zzzvideocardzzz]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
No body IS buying the X1900 series. Note that when demand for the card is less, stock grows every month plus prices goes down to make it look more appealing to consumers.

I think the steam survey shows this as about 800~ X1800 series are being used compared to 12000~ 7800 series even though the X series might have better IQ, HDR plus AA etc etc.

no 1 is buying it because most people are still playing CS:S, WOW, and other games that just needs a x800 xl, pro to run it acceptable.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Cooler
I was hoping after Rollo left the fud would stop on Video card fourm. I can see now it will never stop unless the fourm get more mods.

UM ya.. I said that at the beginning.

Joker's ATI card: Space heater and video card in one!

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
err XT is better choice but nvidia got everyone hooked on SLI which i think is pertty stupid :! spend your cash on something eles i say instead of another card.

cause there is no x1900 xl, ATI really need a 299.99 range card.

The X1800GTO should be coming out soon.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Art Vandaleigh
Heh i knew this was going to happen, luckily i jumped on the GT's the morning they were released to newegg.

Truth. I bought my card 2 days or so after they were released. I've got mine humming along as I type this. RTHDRIBL test to warm up my new Zalman VF700CU cooler.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
err XT is better choice but nvidia got everyone hooked on SLI which i think is pertty stupid :! spend your cash on something eles i say instead of another card.

cause there is no x1900 xl, ATI really need a 299.99 range card.

The X1800GTO should be coming out soon.

errrmmm the X1800GTO is meant to compete with the 7600GT which it just holds its own against...and it's MSRP is going to be 50 bucks more than the 7600GT...

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
80-90C isnt a factor for the GPU. its rated at that and higher.

Really? You realize just because it's 'rated' higher doesn't mean anything? Most cards will artifact at that temp, and unless you missed video card school, artifacting is bad, and so is heat.

Heat is bad if the components cannot tolerate it. If the heat output is within the tolerable limits of the components used, then you'd see no issues.

My x19000xtx does not have any artifacts and reading various boards, I haven't seen this as being an issue. This particular core and it's components handle these temps without any issue so I'm not sure what you're basing your artifacting conclusion on.

WOAH x19000xt, one hell of a card!!! many GPU's can handle those temps (80-90c) without artifacting...but i can't believe anyone would be comfortable with their GPU running a those temps...artifacting or not.

Yeah, it's a nice card. That's not a typo.

 

[Matt2]

 

[Matt2]

Hmmm... 7900GT SLI or X1900XTX.

That is the question....

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
80-90C isnt a factor for the GPU. its rated at that and higher.

Really? You realize just because it's 'rated' higher doesn't mean anything? Most cards will artifact at that temp, and unless you missed video card school, artifacting is bad, and so is heat.

That's funny because so far it's the nVidia overclocked 7900 cards that are artifacting and pissing off many owners that expected a working card for the $500+ they paid. Prove to us that 80-90C causes X1900 cards to artifact or is this another one of your usual b.s. nVidia inspired lies? Like I said...zero crediblity.

Show me links, Joker. Reputable links. MULTIPLE links across MULTIPLE forums of this happening. And show me a log of you running your card at 80-90C without artifacts while you're at it. (ATiTool will suffice for a sustained 5 minutes).

Common sense, son. Get some. You really don't think people are going to take you seriously by saying that 80-90C is an acceptable temperature, when MOST cards will artifact even before then? Use your brain, Joker. I know you have one.

Oh, another thing. I haven't had an nVIDIA card break 70C in the past 2 years...wish I could say the same for the ATi cards I have.

If you'd like to continue to attack me, fine. But you're getting dangerously close to a vacation request. If you can't stop the personal attacks on people, perhaps you should seek external assistance.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Hmmm... 7900GT SLI or X1900XTX.

That is the question....

7900GT (overclocked) if you dont' mind the extra cost.

 

[Matt2]

Keep reaching Joke(r). I dont think ATI is going to recruit you, so give up.

80-90*C is never acceptable. On any card.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
80-90C isnt a factor for the GPU. its rated at that and higher.

Really? You realize just because it's 'rated' higher doesn't mean anything? Most cards will artifact at that temp, and unless you missed video card school, artifacting is bad, and so is heat.

That's funny because so far it's the nVidia overclocked 7900 cards that are artifacting and pissing off many owners that expected a working card for the $500+ they paid. Prove to us that 80-90C causes X1900 cards to artifact or is this another one of your usual b.s. nVidia inspired lies? Like I said...zero crediblity.

I've got an overclocked 7900GT that's never artifacted on me, before or after installing aftermarket cooling. And I've been pretty brutal with it so far. Hours of Q4, hours of RTHDRIBL, hours of UT2K4. Nothing has caused me a problem. Who's having trouble with artifacting anyways?

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Keep reaching Joke(r). I dont think ATI is going to recruit you, so give up.

80-90*C is never acceptable. On any card.

By whose standard??? So if a year from now, all cards reach 80-90*c celcius but perform great and do not have artifacting/per mature failure issues, people will stop buying them because they're not acceptable???

The heat issue is more of a personal matter but in no way reflects the performance of the card. Similar to noise.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Matt2
Keep reaching Joke(r). I dont think ATI is going to recruit you, so give up.

80-90*C is never acceptable. On any card.

By whose standard??? So if a year from now, all cards reach 80-90*c celcius but perform great and do not have artifacting/per mature failure issues, people will stop buying them because they're not acceptable???

The heat issue is more of a personal matter but in no way reflects the performance of the card. Similar to noise.

Those sound like famous last words. I'm thinking a major CPU company, it starts with an I and ends with an L

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Matt2
Keep reaching Joke(r). I dont think ATI is going to recruit you, so give up.

80-90*C is never acceptable. On any card.

By whose standard??? So if a year from now, all cards reach 80-90*c celcius but perform great and do not have artifacting/per mature failure issues, people will stop buying them because they're not acceptable???

The heat issue is more of a personal matter but in no way reflects the performance of the card. Similar to noise.

The trend for some companies has been higher temps, and lower for others. I'll let you figure out who's who.

Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period. The components in CPUs and GPUs are sensitive to this heat, and the heat WILL cause early death. If you think it's ok that your card runs in the 80-90C range under load, that's your perogative, but when it suddenly dies due to component failure a year down the road, please don't come crying to us.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Matt2
Keep reaching Joke(r). I dont think ATI is going to recruit you, so give up.

80-90*C is never acceptable. On any card.

By whose standard??? So if a year from now, all cards reach 80-90*c celcius but perform great and do not have artifacting/per mature failure issues, people will stop buying them because they're not acceptable???

The heat issue is more of a personal matter but in no way reflects the performance of the card. Similar to noise.

The trend for some companies has been higher temps, and lower for others. I'll let you figure out who's who.

Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period. The components in CPUs and GPUs are sensitive to this heat, and the heat WILL cause early death. If you think it's ok that your card runs in the 80-90C range under load, that's your perogative, but when it suddenly dies due to component failure a year down the road, please don't come crying to us.

You're making it sound as you know for a fact that a temp of 80-90 degrees will lower the MTFB of the R580 core. You should really supply some factual information from TSMC or UNC (i believe they use them now for cores also) to support you theory that the R580 core will suffer from failures from running at those tempratures. Unless you can provide those figures, I can only go by what the manufacturer claims and they claim that their cards are perfectly fine running those temps. It's been brought up at B3d and rage3d a few times.

If 80-90 C is an accetable operating range for the R580's and you cannot provide information to counter this, then I have assume that I won't be crying to anyone in a year.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period.

Not a constant, period.

 

[ronnn]

Lets hope this is a temporary shortage. Very bad news for nv if they have production problems. :beer:

 

[Zebo]

LOL Jokers
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...?catid=31&threadid=1827355&STARTPAGE=1

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Now lets take a look at nvidia - OS, nV drivers - mobo, vid card and desktop manager using 56 MB idle.

350MB vs 56MB you tell me whos bloated.

that isn't just nvidia... clearly you've stripped winxp down to the bone, a fresh install without drivers takes about 5x that memory usage

 

[Zebo]

Joker
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...?catid=31&threadid=1827355&STARTPAGE=1

 

[TraumaRN]

Well honestly Fenix with just XP, AIM, AVG my idle setting are between 250 and 215, usually it's more in the middle like 230ish.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Zebo

Now lets take a look at nvidia - OS, nV drivers - mobo, vid card and desktop manager using 56 MB idle.

350MB vs 56MB you tell me whos bloated.

that isn't just nvidia... clearly you've stripped winxp down to the bone, a fresh install without drivers takes about 5x that memory usage

Probably doesn't have internet either. 16 processes... winXP fresh install is 20 processes (without any drivers or software).

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Ronin
Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period.

Not a constant, period.

You tell me commonly used electronic components such as CPUs and GPUs that don't suffer from heat. Vehicles do not apply, as that is an apples to oranges comparison. Try really hard, nts, because you'll find it very difficult, if not impossible.

Robert, I never specifically referenced the R580, but if you'd like your red blinders get out of the way and let your common sense kick in, I'm sure the reality of the situation might kick in.