The Inq Calls the 7900 a 7800GTX 512 Repeate

[Matt2]

Not only are ATI cards running extremely hot... but dont forget ATI users are increasing the core voltage to obtain their clockspeeds.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Not only are ATI cards running extremely hot... but dont forget ATI users are increasing the core voltage to obtain their clockspeeds.

Which, as the enlightened folks know, will likely shorten lifespan as well (wait...lemme get Taiwan on the horn to verify that...).

 

[Zebo]

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[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Ronin
Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period.

Not a constant, period.

You tell me commonly used electronic components such as CPUs and GPUs that don't suffer from heat. Vehicles do not apply, as that is an apples to oranges comparison. Try really hard, nts, because you'll find it very difficult, if not impossible.

Robert, I never specifically referenced the R580, but if you'd like your red blinders get out of the way and let your common sense kick in, I'm sure the reality of the situation might kick in.

The 80-90 degree plus comments were derived off the 7900GTX vs x1900xt/x heat debate. My blinders are off but not sure what we can do about your common sense.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Cooler
ATI has about 45 % of Video card market so that is not the reason.

if you count low end and integrated prolly.. they certainly don't have 45% of the high end, or i've not seen data indicating anything close to that...

 

[TraumaRN]

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/DeathBUA/218.JPG

218, idling. Was 206 until I logged into AIM

Nuff said concerning XP.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Matt2
Not only are ATI cards running extremely hot... but dont forget ATI users are increasing the core voltage to obtain their clockspeeds.

Which, as the enlightened folks know, will likely shorten lifespan as well (wait...lemme get Taiwan on the horn to verify that...).

When you get TSMC on the horn be sure to ask them if the 80-90 C is a tolerable range for the R580 core. Thanks in advance.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Ronin
Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period.

Not a constant, period.

You tell me commonly used electronic components such as CPUs and GPUs that don't suffer from heat. Vehicles do not apply, as that is an apples to oranges comparison. Try really hard, nts, because you'll find it very difficult, if not impossible.

Robert, I never specifically referenced the R580, but if you'd like your red blinders get out of the way and let your common sense kick in, I'm sure the reality of the situation might kick in.

The 80-90 degree plus comments were derived off the 7900GTX vs x1900xt/x heat debate. My blinders are off but not sure what we can do about your common sense.

Make sense much? Not in this post, you don't. Try again (and I think we're all fairly sure that my common sense > yours, so let's not start that stupid argument).

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Ronin
Let me try and explain this for the people that don't get it: high heat causes degradation of components, period.

Not a constant, period.

You tell me commonly used electronic components such as CPUs and GPUs that don't suffer from heat. Vehicles do not apply, as that is an apples to oranges comparison. Try really hard, nts, because you'll find it very difficult, if not impossible.

Robert, I never specifically referenced the R580, but if you'd like your red blinders get out of the way and let your common sense kick in, I'm sure the reality of the situation might kick in.

The 80-90 degree plus comments were derived off the 7900GTX vs x1900xt/x heat debate. My blinders are off but not sure what we can do about your common sense.

Make sense much? Not in this post, you don't. Try again (and I think we're all fairly sure that my common sense > yours, so let's not start that stupid argument).

Don't worry, I'm just going to wait until we get some actual information before you dodge another subject. I'll even change my sig so you don't forget!

 

[Ronin]

Oh no, not the sig! *rolls eyes* Your fanboism has officially gotten the better of you. Sad, young man, very sad.

And just for that, I'll add something to my sig, just for you.

 

[Matt2]

Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

How high have you actually seen it go??

Don't the NVidia 6 series run fairly hot also?

 

[Matt2]

Mine never go above 70*C, even with SLI, so its a moot point for me, but I dont care what GPU I have 80-90*C is waaaay too hot.

Can u imagine X1900XTX Crossfire?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Are you trying to imply the X1900 is like the FX5800?

In terms of IQ? You shouldn't think poorly of that comparison.

card with crappy AA (no RGMS or TRAA back then)

4xS- filtered all transparencies.

and the AF it did have wasn't practical because of the huge hit it took

The NV30 didn't take a huge hit from AF, that was the NV2X series of parts which absolutely obliterate the still poor filtering on the x1900xt. The shimmering... so much of it.... I don't know how people can stomache it without wanting to slice their iris with razor blades.....

Contrast that with the X1900

What- it performs better in contemporary terms when looking at the NV30 but doesn't have anything remotely resembling the staggering edge the NV30 had in terms of IQ over the vomit inducing R3x0 parts. The NV30 had vastly superior AA, AF, bilinear and trilinear filtering, LOD bias selection and ran at DX10 levels of precission so many years ago.

The point to this? You are talking about splitting hairs with your absurd comments about the differences between the AF on the current parts. You are talking about poor versus very poor- they both suck badly- one just sucks less.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Matt2
Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

How high have you actually seen it go??

Don't the NVidia 6 series run fairly hot also?

Yes, my 6800GT PCIe did run very hot, like 20C hotter at least than my 7900GT. It averaged upper 50s idle and upper 60s when running RTHDRIBL.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Matt2
Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

How high have you actually seen it go??

Don't the NVidia 6 series run fairly hot also?

Yes, my 6800GT PCIe did run very hot, like 20C hotter at least than my 7900GT. It averaged upper 50s idle and upper 60s when running RTHDRIBL.

You mean your 7900GT runs near 50 degrees at LOAD??

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Matt2
Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

How high have you actually seen it go??

Don't the NVidia 6 series run fairly hot also?

Yes, my 6800GT PCIe did run very hot, like 20C hotter at least than my 7900GT. It averaged upper 50s idle and upper 60s when running RTHDRIBL.

You mean your 7900GT runs near 50 degrees at LOAD??

Depends on the game but mine will Load up around 58-63c depending on the game, highest I've seen it get was 69C

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Matt2
Tolerable is kind of a loose term. The GPU shut off on my 7800GT is 115*C. Does that mean I can run 110*C?

How high have you actually seen it go??

Don't the NVidia 6 series run fairly hot also?

Yes, my 6800GT PCIe did run very hot, like 20C hotter at least than my 7900GT. It averaged upper 50s idle and upper 60s when running RTHDRIBL.

You mean your 7900GT runs near 50 degrees at LOAD??

I saw it hit mid 50s after an hour of RTHDRIBL earlier today with the Zalman VF700CU installed.

I'll tell you what, I'm preparing for a ride on my exercise bike. I'll let RTHDRIBL run while I'm biking. When I get back I'll snap a screenie of the NV temp. display.

 

[Megatomic]

7900GT_IDLE.JPG

7900GT_LOAD.JPG

And it's completely inaudible with the Zalman cooler.

 

[thilanliyan]

Those are pretty good temps(with the aftermarket cooler of course). If the other guys card hit 69degrees, it's no wonder the X1K series hits 80-90 degrees, considering the higher transistor count. Granted if the X1K had something like the Quadro cooler form the 7900GTX then it would also run cooler.

Ati could definitely have done a better job with the cooler.

 

[Megatomic]

And I think the temps. will get better over time, just like with CPU heatsinks. I used Arctic Ceramique and it's well known that it needs time to "set in" before it performs at it's best.

 

[5150Joker]

My 6800 Go Ultra hits 90C consistently everytime I play games on my XPS 2 laptop yet it's never created artifacts or failed. It simply exhausts all the heat out of the laptop much like the X1900 does. As long as a card is functional at those temps it really doesn't matter.

 

[Megatomic]

So the added heat waste is meaningless to you all? Think about it, if it gets hotter it's using more power to do so - TCO is sky high as a result. That's not good financial sense.

 

[TraumaRN]

Didnt take a screenie but with stock cooling and my 7800GT running RTHDRIBL for about 15 minutes and the temps were about 63C and it idles around 43-45C depending on the ambient temp in my apartment.

Not bad for temps and what my core is running at!

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
err XT is better choice but nvidia got everyone hooked on SLI which i think is pertty stupid :! spend your cash on something eles i say instead of another card.