The horror of abortion restrictions

[randomrogue]

If scientists discover the gene responsible for homosexuality I guarantee you that conservatives will suddenly be for abortion.

 

[SheHateMe]

The laws allow for them, you would be a foolish to think they do not happen.

SO basically...what you are saying here is that you are making up scenarios that you have NO proof of actually taking place..

Ya, that's EXACTLY what you are saying.

You also have not submitted any proof of these "laws" either.

 

[Darwin333]

It's not a child, the woman should always have control over what happens inside her body.

At what point does it actually become a "person"? Is there some magic that happens when it moves to a different location?

And the .gov, including your side, do not believe that women own their bodies. The hallmark of owning something is being able to sell it, call 10 or 15 of your favorite Congress critters and ask them if they believe in a womans right to sell her body as she pleases.

 

[SheHateMe]

At what point does it actually become a "person"? Is there some magic that happens when it moves to a different location?

And the .gov, including your side, do not believe that women own their bodies. The hallmark of owning something is being able to sell it, call 10 or 15 of your favorite Congress critters and ask them if they believe in a womans right to sell her body as she pleases.

When the "Person" has a heartbeat. You cannot be alive without a heartbeat. Last time I checked, a fetus doesn't start out with...well..anything.

 

[Darwin333]

So you think a fetus in the early stages of development = a life?

Thats a really good question. I am sure there is someone here with enough medical knowledge to tell us at what point a fetus meets the standard definition of "life".

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

At what point does it actually become a "person"?

When it's born.

Is there some magic that happens when it moves to a different location?

Is there some magic that turns bachelors into husbands?

 

[Darwin333]

When the "Person" has a heartbeat. You cannot be alive without a heartbeat. Last time I checked, a fetus doesn't start out with...well..anything.

Obviously playing semantics but you can be a person without a heartbeat or even a heart at all....

 

[Darwin333]

When it's born.

Why? Why not a few years later when it can perform at least basic functions on its own? We are literally talking about a difference in location being the qualifier for "person" or "thing".

Is there some magic that turns bachelors into husbands?

Nothing magic about two parties signing a contract so I have no idea where you are going with this.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Thats a really good question. I am sure there is someone here with enough medical knowledge to tell us at what point a fetus meets the standard definition of "life".

Sperm cells are alive. Egg cells are alive. When they fuse to form a zygote, the zygote is alive. There is no point in human reproduction when life "begins." Human reproduction is the continuation of life.

The whole "when does life begin debate" is a sham, using the sloppy language of lay people to stir up controversy. The objects of rights and duties in the United States are persons, and persons are human, born and alive.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Why?

It's no longer metabolically dependent upon another person to live.

Why not a few years later when it can perform at least basic functions on its own? We are literally talking about a difference in location being the qualifier for "person" or "thing".

It's the difference between "person" and "fetus" actually.

Nothing magic about two parties signing a contract so I have no idea where you are going with this.

Just like there's nothing magic about a fetus becoming a person, or a minor becoming an adult, or a student becoming a graduate, or... These are just designations, but it is humorous that it confuses you so much that you think magic is involved.

 

[SheHateMe]

Obviously playing semantics but you can be a person without a heartbeat or even a heart at all....

Yes..but you wouldn't be a alive. When people make the argument that a fetus in early development is a person...they sound stupid. I draw the line at Abortions of advanced stage pregnancies...by that time, you have obviously made the decision to carry the child to term.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes..but you wouldn't be a alive. When people make the argument that a fetus in early development is a person...they sound stupid. I draw the line at Abortions of advanced stage pregnancies...by that time, you have obviously made the decision to carry the child to term.

So you have no problem telling women what to do with their body. What a hypocrite.

 

[sixone]

It's not a child, the woman should always have control over what happens inside her body.

Conservatives want that, too. They want women to be responsible about what happens inside her body, including when she gets pregnant.

 

[Ausm]

If scientists discover the gene responsible for homosexuality I guarantee you that conservatives will suddenly be for abortion.

I agree!I also think Rightists would be in favor of abortion if Political affiliation could be determined in the womb.

 

[Spungo]

Do you want to explain why banning abortion causes people to get them?

It's cool to fight against The Man. As soon as abortion is illegal, all the cool kids start doing it. That's exactly what happened with alcohol. It's illegal, so the cool people start drinking. Marijuana is illegal, so the cool kids smoke weed. Lots of drugs like salvia are still legal, and nobody does them because following the law isn't cool. Salvia is right up there with mushrooms and acid in terms of how powerful it is, but it's not as popular simply because it's legal.

 

[nehalem256]

I agree!I also think Rightists would be in favor of abortion if Political affiliation could be determined in the womb.

Because conservatives currently advocated for the abortion of "mentally defectives" in the womb now 🙄

 

[SheHateMe]

So you have no problem telling women what to do with their body. What a hypocrite.

What? I am all for a woman having the right to abortions..but as it stands now, late term abortions are illegal unless you have a medical condition. As it should be.

Sure, terminate your baby up to 24 weeks. However, it becomes an ethical issue when a woman comes in, 7 months pregnant wanting to terminate a perfectly healthy BABY (at that stage in Development).

 

[Spungo]

Because conservatives currently advocated for the abortion of "mentally defectives" in the womb now 🙄

Of course not. Aborting retarded people would reduce the republican voter base.

 

[nehalem256]

What? I am all for a woman having the right to abortions..but as it stands now, late term abortions are illegal unless you have a medical condition. As it should be.

Sure, terminate your baby up to 24 weeks. However, it becomes an ethical issue when a woman comes in, 7 months pregnant wanting to terminate a perfectly healthy BABY (at that stage in Development).

The whole liberal argument for abortion is that its the woman's body and no man can tell her what to do with it.

Please explain how after 24 weeks its stops being the woman's body? Does the fetus take possession of her with magic?

 

[Tom]

The liberal argument for abortion is that: "It is her body".

So as long as it is within her body she has a right to kill it. Even at 8.9 months. Anything else is anti-choice. It does not stop being her body just because the fetus reaches a certain gestational age.

That isn't true. There is no widely held liberal view to alter the current law which is based on viability outside the womb.

Except in the case of the life of the mother.

Does anyone really believe the state should have the right to condemn a woman to death for the sake of saving the life of the baby ?

 

[Blackjack200]

Conservatives want that, too. They want women to be responsible about what happens inside her body, including when she gets pregnant.

And the decision to get an abortion is perfectly responsible. I'm glad we agree.

 

[nehalem256]

That isn't true. There is no widely held liberal view to alter the current law which is based on viability outside the womb.

And that is because liberals are hypocrites. A woman's body does not stop being hers because the fetus reaches x gestational age.

Either you believe a woman has a right to control her body or you do not.

 

[Tom]

And that is because liberals are hypocrites. A woman's body does not stop being hers because the fetus reaches x gestational age.

Either you believe a woman has a right to control her body or you do not.

You don't understand the law.

There are no absolute rights in the law. "Liberals" accept this, you can't foist your misunderstanding of reality on to them in order to set up a false presumption.

 

[nehalem256]

You don't understand the law.

There are no absolute rights in the law. "Liberals" accept this, you can't foist your misunderstanding of reality on to them in order to set up a false presumption.

Its not a misunderstanding.

Liberal repeatedly state their support for abortion rights is based on it being the woman's body. And that no one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

And then you turn around and say, well except for when I say its okay to tell her what to do with her body.

 

[Tom]

Its not a misunderstanding.

Liberal repeatedly state their support for abortion rights is based on it being the woman's body. And that no one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

And then you turn around and say, well except for when I say its okay to tell her what to do with her body.

That isn't the "liberal" position.

Just like its not the position of many right to life people that a 10 year old girl should face death by being forced by the government to give birth to her father's child.

Most people know we live in a real world, not a world of absolutes.