The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

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I think it depends on the price. If it's $549, then 20% faster than HD7970GE is good since that's without needing water cooling. An air cooled HD7970GE won't overclock to your card's level. ;) If it's 20% faster and priced at $699, then that would very disappointing as HD7970GEs are going for $410-450 with 4 free games.
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GTX 780 at USD 550 would be a pleasant surprise given Titan pricing. but doubtful because the gap between GTX 780 and Titan would be too big but the perf diff would be just around 10 - 15%. That would severely affect Titan sales. My guess is USD 650 - 700. We are back to the days of no competition at the high end because of AMD's cost cutting and decision to skip the 28nm refresh. Hopefully AMD's HD 9970 Volcanic Islands launches in early Q4 2013 . otherwise this would be a really disappointing year for high end GPU competition and pricing.

If AMD had refreshed Tahiti with a 20 - 25% faster product just like HD 7790 Bonaire was to HD 7770 Cape Verde (same power slightly bigger die and 30% faster perf) we would be seeing Titan at USD 550 - 600 and HD 8970 / GTX 780 at USD 400 - 450 just like the GTX 580 and HD 6970 / GTX 570.
 
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AMD hasn't released their driver that supposedly addresses the frame latency problem so how did it just magically fix itself? Talk about dreaming.
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Don't shoot the messenger. Read the reviews and tell them they are liars if you want. [H] doesn't hold back and has been very forthcoming when they've experienced crossfire stuttering and have been real fast to pronounce SLI better. This review, while being very impressed with Titan because it's only single GPU, they called the 7970GE crossfire the best performer.

In all cases, Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFire from two separate video cards was still the fastest, and best gameplay experience, for a lesser price.
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I didn't dream that.
 
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Don't shoot the messenger. Read the reviews and tell them they are liars if you want. [H] doesn't hold back and has been very forthcoming when they've experienced crossfire stuttering and have been real fast to pronounce SLI better. This review, while being very impressed with Titan because it's only single GPU, they called the 7970GE crossfire the best performer.



I didn't dream that.
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In all cases, Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFire from two separate video cards was still the fastest, and best gameplay experience, for a lesser price.
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Nice ownage.:cool:

And I agree with Raghu above,a GCN series 2 would have kept pricing at those levels.
 
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since there is no if amd.

gtx 780 will be ~649 adjusted for lesser 15% performance and lesser 3gb vram.
 
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Will Robinson said:
[H] Nice ownage.:cool:

And I agree with Raghu above,a GCN series 2 would have kept pricing at those levels.
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Actually, I think we are in for high prices from both companies. AMD sitting back and letting nVidia establish higher prices could have it's benefit to AMD on their next gen pricing. I don't see them trying to undercut the market again.

Assuming the rumors we've heard happen:
Volcanic Isl. @ 4096sp + 512bit mem bus + 8gig VRAM = $1000 at least.
 
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Actually, I think we are in for high prices from both companies. AMD sitting back and letting nVidia establish higher prices could have it's benefit to AMD on their next gen pricing. I don't see them trying to undercut the market again.

Assuming the rumors we've heard happen:
Volcanic Isl. @ 4096sp + 512bit mem bus + 8gig VRAM = $1000 at least.
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Perhaps, but I believe that if AMD were to produce larger chips to bring back some competition at the high end, it would still benefit the consumer in terms of pricing. Sure, AMD could take advantage of the inflated pricing and position their next-gen product stack at the same level as nVidia's, but so long as nVidia has a reputation and branding advantage, AMD will most likely charge less than a comparably spec'd nVidia card. In other words, if the GTX 780 is indeed going to be released at $650, AMD's offering would most likely be somewhere between $600-$630. Sure, it's still more expensive than what we are used to, but hey, if I can get GTX 780 level of performance for less than 780 pricing, by all means I will consider AMD's equivalent. Having the option between the two is better than not having it.

Of course, this depends on whether or not AMD releases something worthwhile. If there isn't competition to begin with, prices will be worse off across the board.

Those specs would be amazing, however. I hope AMD splits their high-end line-up like nVidia did this generation and put more focus on producing a gaming oriented chip. I doubt AMD will ever be a big player in the HPC market, so perhaps it's best if AMD sticks with producing only gaming oriented chips.
 
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If the 780 is 599, I will jump all over it. If it's 699, I'll by a GE, and then get another down the road when the CF drivers have improved. While Nvidia has the upper-hand, they are not a monopoly, and I'll use my wallet to show them it's the case. They have already stated that the Titan was a novelty product. If they go back on that, and treat it like the new normal, It's going to backfire.
 
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TPU GPU database says $599 and lines up specwise.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1701/geforce-gtx-780.html

Personally I think it's too high for a supposed ~20% performance boost over the GHz with a 50% price increase. $500 would be a better fit imo.

And yes, the GHz can be found for $400 AR at the time of writing this post (usually close to it anyway). http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75181&vpn=FX797GTDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1079
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If you've had the chance to use a Titan, you'd understand that just the reference cooler on the 780 will be top notch and inaudible at fan speeds that would make that XFX card sound like an jetliner.
 
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If you've had the chance to use a Titan, you'd understand that just the reference cooler on the 780 will be top notch and inaudible at fan speeds that would make that XFX card sound like an jetliner.
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Agreed, I would be buying a lightning anyway. Then again I don't know if I agree because I haven't used the XFX, nor have I seen the specs.

The cooler isn't that special though, only special for a reference cooler. I have experience with it and it was louder (noticeably) than the lightning (4).

I'd say it's costing NV hardly anything in the BOM, I hate to guess because I can only guess, but it can't be more than say a couple of tens more (then reference).

In the end there are other choices available for not much more (GHz or ~equivalent).

Just to add: In my opinion that kind of cooler (noise-wise, there still is no real comparison to DCUII or Twin Frozr so temps who knows) should be the default cooler for all cards over $250. I can't cost terribly much, just put normal plastic on top or whatever to cut the cost a few $. I hope AMD has learned from it. Blow dryers are ridiculous, idk how anyone puts up with them.
 
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Will we be getting custom "780s" or will the situation be similar with Titan,690?
 
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$600 is too much, even $550 would be stretching it.

AMD really needs to fix their drivers, both for CF and memory subsystem. My third 7950 is still gaining performance from 7400MHz ram on a 384 bus and that seems like a joke for 1080p. How could I possibly benefit from that must bandwidth at such a low resolution and it's only as fast as a 256 bit card?
 
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Originally the rumor was 780 on the 23rd, custom cards later. Idk if that is just a rumor or not. I would assume there will be custom cards as this is labeled the official 580 line successor.
 
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The Titan cooler/housing is expensive. Assuming nVidia let's them, we'll likely see custom coolers because they'll be cheaper to manufacture.
 
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The Titan cooler/housing is expensive. Assuming nVidia let's them, we'll likely see custom coolers because they'll be cheaper to manufacture.
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It's cheaper than the 690, it's not made of the same high quality material.

It's simply the aesthetics now, as well as the design characteristics.
 
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you mean the same quality materials or the same exact cooler? surely you dont mean the same exact cooler because they look almost nothing alike.
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No no the same quality materials.I remember JHH saying something about it when unveiling the 690.
 
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