The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[wand3r3r]

What's the problem?

Isn't it 30-40% depending on review, res, settings - on "average"?

So it's about 30% according to TPU and computerbase. If you have sources with an average of 40% (demonstrated 1600p) by all means show them now.

If the 780 is rumored to have 25-50% that implies an average of 37.5% over the GHz. Nice that it's even faster than it's big brother the titan.

 

[raghu78]

So your point here is that Titan OC is faster than stock 7970GE or at ridiculous res and settings that even Titan struggles at?

Titan is a great card (crap price) but when we measure GPU vs GPU performance we usually measure average performance stock vs stock. When we do that Titan is on average ~30% faster than 7970GE. In some cases it is higher than 30% and in others it is lower, that's how averages work. Let's not play silly games, we are trying to gauge speeds of the new Nvidia 7x0 cards here. We know for a fact that GTX780 will not be faster than Titan, which means GTX780 must be under 30% on average faster than 7970GE.

yeah Titan is on avg 30 - 35% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. the lead can fluctuate depending on game between 10 - 50% . So we can expect GTX 780 to be 15 - 20% faster than HD 7970 Ghz

 

[sontin]

What is the problem to understand that the average differs between 5 games and 25 games?

 

[Fx1]

What is the problem to understand that the average differs between 5 games and 25 games?

I think the problem is that you link total BS.

Those benchmarks you claim were 75% and 100% faster than 7970 are TOTAL BS. There isnt any even close to that.

 

[sontin]

Hm, let me repeat the great wand3r3r:

I just showed you benchmarks that disprove you? If you disagree let's see some numbers.

 

[Fx1]

Hm, let me repeat the great wand3r3r:

Yeh except you cant do the math from the benchmarks you listed because the numbers were wrong.

 

[wand3r3r]

Hm, let me repeat the great wand3r3r:

"Some numbers" means proof in numbers. Not cherry pick a few games that are greater than 30%. It's spoken English, it doesn't mean literally 5 benchmarks.

(Not only did you cherry pick, you also appear to have fudged the numbers using SLI in one, and overclocked titan values in the others.)

So the proof is to show the average you claim it to be. Get it?

The some numbers means some reviews or sources which average out to the number you claim it to be.

What do you claim the titan averages anyway? You claim it's more than what I showed it to be anyway.

 

[96Firebird]

How are people not getting this?

From the Fudzilla article, it says the numbers are from an Nvidia-made performance slide. Of course they are going to manipulate the settings and resolution to their favor, they are trying to sell cards. That doesn't mean the 25-50% numbers are wrong, they are just specific. Of course the "reviewers" average will be less, as is always the case.

 

[iMacmatician]

If the 780 is rumored to have 25-50% that implies an average of 37.5% over the GHz.

If the 25%-50% numbers are referring to the range of benchmark numbers in the performance slide, then an average of 37.5% does not follow from the information given (for example, 9 at 25% and 1 at 50% would give an average of 27.5%). Plus there's the Tomb Raider benchmark which it's "only" 20% faster.

How are people not getting this?

I've been wondering that too… it seemed too obvious for me.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

If the 780 is rumored to have 25-50% that implies an average of 37.5% over the GHz.

No it doesn't, why don't you relax and take a break for a bit?

 

[raghu78]

"Some numbers" means proof in numbers. Not cherry pick a few games that are greater than 30%. It's spoken English, it doesn't mean literally 5 benchmarks.

(Not only did you cherry pick, you also appear to have fudged the numbers using SLI in one, and overclocked titan values in the others.)

So the proof is to show the average you claim it to be. Get it?

The some numbers means some reviews or sources which average out to the number you claim it to be.

What do you claim the titan averages anyway? You claim it's more than what I showed it to be anyway.

why do you waste your time with sontin. whatever evidence you show it won't matter :whiste:

 

[ICDP]

What's the problem?

Isn't it 30-40% depending on review, res, settings - on "average"?

No, it was more like 10% - 50% faster than 7970GE depending on game and settings. The 10% and 50% numbers were outliers and the average fell right down the middle at ~30%. If we are to believe the 25%-50% numbers from the rumours for GTX780 then that makes it faster than Titan.

The rumoured specs and numbers don't add up, that is the problem.

 

[wand3r3r]

No it doesn't, why don't you relax and take a break for a bit?

In the normal world something ranging from 25-50% would imply around a midway point to be average. If you feel otherwise then so be it.

Your suggestion is very "kind" and I'm sure you mean all the best.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Wow defenders of AMD, it's from a select few games from Nvidia's marketing slide (reportedly).

Do you have a baseline for how much faster Titan is than the GHz in those titles?

No? Of course not (because you have no idea what games/settings were used), it's probably 35-65% faster or something as such, it's a flipping marketing slide what else does anyone expect? Bulldozer was the second coming, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[iMacmatician]

No, it was more like 10% - 50% faster than 7970GE depending on game and settings. The 10% and 50% numbers were outliers and the average fell right down the middle at ~30%. If we are to believe the 25%-50% numbers from the rumours for GTX780 then that makes it faster than Titan.

The rumoured specs and numbers don't add up, that is the problem.

Since it was an NVIDIA slide, they could (using Titan and 10%-50% as an example) pick games and settings to get numbers on the higher half of that range, to give an apparent 30%-50% increase ("40% average").

In the normal world something ranging from 25-50% would imply around a midway point to be average.

It may be normal but that doesn't make the implication true. Even if the benchmark % increases on the slide were distributed so that the mean was ~37.5%, that still does not tell the whole story since we don't know what games/settings were used.

Still, the numbers seem quite high to me, unless they are using bandwidth-intensive games.

 

[wand3r3r]

Wow defenders of AMD, it's from a select few games from Nvidia's marketing slide (reportedly).

Do you have a baseline for how much faster Titan is than the GHz in those titles?

No? Of course not (because you have no idea what games/settings were used), it's probably 35-65% faster or something as such, it's a flipping marketing slide what else does anyone expect? Bulldozer was the second coming, take it with a grain of salt.

Wow, who needs the break. NVolunteer too much lately?

Btw, I'm merely backing my claims with numbers. Defending amd? By trying to ensure the facts are facts and not numbers pulled out of thin air = defending amd. Yawn.

I'd be impressed if it did indeed kicks the 7970's butt (while costing less $/performance wise).

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You can't refute Nvidia's numbers because you don't know what games or settings were used and you have no idea what Titan got in those tests.

It's pretty simple, your inability to grasp what is taking place is pretty funny. You act as if this was your first rodeo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3dwLea3AO0

 

[tential]

How are people not getting this?

From the Fudzilla article, it says the numbers are from an Nvidia-made performance slide. Of course they are going to manipulate the settings and resolution to their favor, they are trying to sell cards. That doesn't mean the 25-50% numbers are wrong, they are just specific. Of course the "reviewers" average will be less, as is always the case.

Wow defenders of AMD, it's from a select few games from Nvidia's marketing slide (reportedly).

Do you have a baseline for how much faster Titan is than the GHz in those titles?

No? Of course not (because you have no idea what games/settings were used), it's probably 35-65% faster or something as such, it's a flipping marketing slide what else does anyone expect? Bulldozer was the second coming, take it with a grain of salt.

Pretty sad that no one seems to read posts of any common sense and realize what anyone with a level head has been saying.

Didn't know people who were on a hardware forum would ever take marketing slides seriously. Thought people were smarter than that....

 

[blackened23]

Oh, it's going to be one of those threads. Awesome.

But let me say this. Now, I like AMD GPUs a lot and recommend them a lot. I still do. I'm sure i'll still recommend them after the 700 series is released because they're a good value, and I expect that to remain the case even after the 700 series release. Here's something I just don't get though....who cares if the 780 is faster? The market for super high end GPUs is exceedingly small anyway, so the obvious assumption here is that everything will be priced accordingly. If you look at the top 100 sellers at amazon.com for GPUs that entire list is dominated by cheap 100-200$ GPUs, my only point here is why would anyone get angry and offended over what is faster. Everything will be priced accordingly, and the market will adjust accordingly.

On the flip side of the coin, arguing performance differential percentages on a pre-release product is just old and tiring. I think it's reasonable to believe that yes, the 780 will indeed be faster than the 7970GE. That's no reason to get offended, upset, or argue about performance percentages - seeing that over the course of 5 pages is just annoying to no end. Again - everything will be priced accordingly and everyone will be happy. AMD will still sell their stuff on value with game bundles, and nvidia will do whatever nvidia does.

 

[iMacmatician]

I'd be impressed if it did indeed kicks the 7970's butt (while costing less $/performance wise).

The 780's rumored specs are 88% of the (non-Boost) FLOPS and 100% of the bandwidth of the Titan, so I'd expect it to be ~10% (maybe a bit less) below the Titan (average), which would be ~20% above the 7970 GE (on average). I wouldn't be surprised if the 7970 GE matched or beat the 780 in a few games/settings.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yeah whatever. The original quote gives no indication if it's 5 games or across the board. So the wise wizards of the forum have all 'understood' it's bs immediately. Sucks to read logic pointing out the flaws I guess.

According to an Nvidia-made performance slide that we had a chance to see, which pits the new card to AMD's Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GTX 780 should end up anywhere between 25 and 50 percent faster than the HD 7970 GHz Edition, with exception of the Tomb Raider where it is faster by around 20 percent.

If it were only a couple games I don't know why they would word it like that.

/whatever
Done with this tidbit.

 

[Cloudfire777]

GTX 780 only draw 10W more than an OC GTX 680 but spanks it in performance. Well done Nvidia. GK110 is truly one amazing chip

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Benc...TX-780-Is-20-Better-than-GTX-680-354286.shtml

 

[blackened23]

GTX 780 only draw 10W more than an OC GTX 680 but spanks it in performance. Well done Nvidia. GK110 is truly one amazing chip

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Benc...TX-780-Is-20-Better-than-GTX-680-354286.shtml

What games are being tested here? Just saw this and the performance difference doesn't seem to be huge except in one game. I mean, i'm sure the 780 is faster than the 680, i'm not SAYING otherwise. I'm sure it's faster, but context is everything here. Don't suppose anyone knows Cantonese? What games are these

 

[ICDP]

Wow defenders of AMD, it's from a select few games from Nvidia's marketing slide (reportedly).

Do you have a baseline for how much faster Titan is than the GHz in those titles?

No? Of course not (because you have no idea what games/settings were used), it's probably 35-65% faster or something as such, it's a flipping marketing slide what else does anyone expect? Bulldozer was the second coming, take it with a grain of salt.

My posts were not defending AMD, I was basically saying the leaked 25%-50% numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt and went from there.

The only concrete facts are that it will be faster than 7970GE but slower than Titan. My main concern is the price it will be because if it is ~15% faster than 7970GE then anything over $100 more than 7970GE or GTX680 is a rip off.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Performance isn't quite as good as I hoped, but the link says $500 so that's something!

Edit: This is the part where locked voltage/TDP blows, because this chip could easily run with Titan at the top if they were both allowed to run out.