The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[ICDP]

This page (actually starting around post #612) has been the most civil off topic discussion in this entire thread. It's actually quite informative/interesting too. I'm shocked. It's starting to make me wonder if going with a mid-range SLI next time around would be a better choice than a single ~$500 GPU. I've never SLI'd before, but the more I see it from a cost perspective.....

I have done the SLI over more expensive single GPU route with 2x GTX460s and for the most part it was excellent. The problems only raise their head with the non AAA titles when Nvidia elect not to spend lots of resources creating working SLI profiles.

Flight sims etc rarely support SLI. As long as you only use mainstream games SLI is excellent.

 

[daraksharnah]

Thanks to everyone for a very very excellent thread. I 2nd tviceman it's been very informative. Now to wait for the 7xx benchmarks in the next week or so, then I can decide between: a 780, 770, or 7970 (perhaps 2 xfire :3 ). Though, anything that i DO buy, will be heaven over my GTS 250 :3

I'll definitely keep on reading here for the latest and greatest though!

 

[ICDP]

The problem I can see with the new GTX780 is we already know roughly how fast it will be and that brings a whole host of problems for pricing.

Titan is 40% faster than GTX680 and costs $1000. If GTX780 performance falls right between both it will need to be priced between both. My logic (which may be wrong) is that Nvidia cannot price it at current GTX680 levels because ~20% slower than Titan for $550 less will result in lost Titan sales and an uproar with current Titan owners. On the other hand pricing too close to Titan would leave people asking if such a premium is worth the ~20% performance compared to GTX680.

GTX680: $450
GTX780 <- $725?
Titan: $1000

Does the above pricing seem logical? The only other way this can work is if Nvidia drops prices accross the board. I'm honestly intriqued how nvidia work the pricing on this.

Hoping to be pleasantly suprised on price because performance isn't going to be that much better than current GPUs.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

$749 or $799 IMO. If Nvidia decides to be less greedy (doubtful) $699.
I'm out on any price regardless since my 7950 works great so it doesn't matter to me.

 

[blackened23]

$749 or $799 IMO. If Nvidia decides to be less greedy (doubtful) $699.
I'm out on any price regardless since my 7950 works great so it doesn't matter to me.

800$ would be plausible on a SKU with 5-6GB of VRAM, but for 3GB this is really doubtful. The price will basically be determined by whether nvidia wants to make the 780 a full volume part designed for optimal profit maximization, or whether they're intentionally inflating the price to maintain a quota of chips for their HPC products. Believe it or not firms don't maximize profit by pricing items sky high, although there are other considerations especially with the GK110: they can also use these chips for their HPC segment which is very profitable.

Anyway, my prediction is that they will indeed make the 780 a volume part. All of the information i've seen indicates pricing from the range of 550-600$, perhaps 650$ if they're really pushing it. I find the 800$ pricetag mentioned by many to be ludicrous, they will not do that IMHO.

 

[Face2Face]

Very eager to see the pricing for the reference card with that gorgeous cooler. If the price is right, you may see a 7950 for sale...

 

[Grooveriding]

The problem I can see with the new GTX780 is we already know roughly how fast it will be and that brings a whole host of problems for pricing.

Titan is 40% faster than GTX680 and costs $1000. If GTX780 performance falls right between both it will need to be priced between both. My logic (which may be wrong) is that Nvidia cannot price it at current GTX680 levels because ~20% slower than Titan for $550 less will result in lost Titan sales and an uproar with current Titan owners. On the other hand pricing too close to Titan would leave people asking if such a premium is worth the ~20% performance compared to GTX680.

GTX680: $450
GTX780 <- $725?
Titan: $1000

Does the above pricing seem logical? The only other way this can work is if Nvidia drops prices accross the board. I'm honestly intriqued how nvidia work the pricing on this.

Hoping to be pleasantly suprised on price because performance isn't going to be that much better than current GPUs.

780 is planned to be $699 at one particular Canadian etailor I don't know if that is an OC model or bone stock though.

 

[Rvenger]

$699 for 3gb is too expensive. This needs to catch scrutiny just like the 7970 did at $549.

 

[Face2Face]

780 is planned to be $699 at one particular Canadian etailor I don't know if that is an OC model or bone stock though.

NCIX :whiste:

 

[wand3r3r]

$699 for 3gb is too expensive. This needs to catch scrutiny just like the 7970 did at $549.

Yep, but I think it's even a worse $/% gain then the 7970 was. (based on rumored specs)

 

[jackstar7]

Well, if you believe that nV wants Titan to exist as a halo product, then setting the 780 at ~$600-650 puts it at a price people might pay and leaves the Titan with its halo price.

If they're following intel, then I'd expect 780 would be $600 or even lower. It's not like the high end Intel $1000 chip actually has 100% performance over the $500. And that $1000 chip sells well enough that Intel isn't dropping prices on its high end... so why wouldn't nV follow a model that nets profits?

 

[wand3r3r]

Fud's still claiming 500-600e (translates 1e:1$ due to VAT) today.

Reference cards should sell for around 500 euro, while overclocked cards will be closer to the 600 euro mark, but we expect some deviations depending on the market and the specific vendors. These prices are just a rough range of what Nvidia expects them to sell for.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31415-geforce-gtx-780-comes-on-may-23rd

Is anyone finding them in retail yet?

Asus box:

http://videocardz.com/41538/asus-ge...tm_campaign=asus-geforce-gtx-780-box-pictured

 

[Fx1]

Yep, but I think it's even a worse $/% gain then the 7970 was. (based on rumored specs)

The 7970 ended up 70-80% faster than the 6970 after driver improvements.

The 780 is always going to be only 20% faster than the 680 GTX.

There wont be any more performance left in the tank, what you buy is what you get

 

[wand3r3r]

I'm starting to wonder if it will really be starting at $500 (reference) up to $600 with more memory etc. Maybe they tested sentiment with the titan and notice people didn't like the price so this will feel like a value (and potentially lure customers that would normally not buy the high end). Won't be holding my breath on this though.

 

[_Rick_]

The 7970 ended up 70-80% faster than the 6970 after driver improvements.

The 780 is always going to be only 20% faster than the 680 GTX.

There wont be any more performance left in the tank, what you buy is what you get

Titan drivers were still pretty bad, over the last few months. I would still expect some performance increases on GK110, over GK104, especially with GK110 now becoming a mainstream product in the gaming market. Obviously, as with any driver update, it depends on many factors whether you can benefit from these optimizations, but "average" scores should increase.

Also, with custom cooling solutions, turbo might work better on a 780 than on Titan. The important question will be in how much they will lock down power tune for board partners. Titan had almost 0 OC headroom, barely being able to turbo up a bin or two, once you increased the thermal limits. If this also holds for the 780, and board partners aren't allowed to set more liberal limits, then 780 will be the disappointment you make it out to be, especially come next year, when AMD's drivers for their next gen cards finally become usable...

 

[Face2Face]

Anyone want to buy a Cyberpower PC with a 4770K + GTX 770?

This confirms the GTX 770 has 2GB of vram

 

[blackened23]

Fud's still claiming 500-600e (translates 1e:1$ due to VAT) today.

Excellent. That means reference will be 500-550$ while overclocked while be closer to 600$. I do wonder if custom PCBs will be allowed though? I would love for a MSI lightning version to be manufactured, it is the best custom on the market IMHO.

 

[Rvenger]

Anyone want to buy a Cyberpower PC?



This confirms the GTX 770 has 2GB of vram

Nice, just contradicts Nvidia's 6gb statement about the Titan. Or the 770 is now officially considered a midrange card.

 

[Fx1]

Titan drivers were still pretty bad, over the last few months. I would still expect some performance increases on GK110, over GK104, especially with GK110 now becoming a mainstream product in the gaming market. Obviously, as with any driver update, it depends on many factors whether you can benefit from these optimizations, but "average" scores should increase.

Also, with custom cooling solutions, turbo might work better on a 780 than on Titan. The important question will be in how much they will lock down power tune for board partners. Titan had almost 0 OC headroom, barely being able to turbo up a bin or two, once you increased the thermal limits. If this also holds for the 780, and board partners aren't allowed to set more liberal limits, then 780 will be the disappointment you make it out to be, especially come next year, when AMD's drivers for their next gen cards finally become usable...

Titans drivers will be based on the kepler arch. So there wont be much left in the tank. Its a well known arch by now unlike GCN was when the 7970 launched.

 

[96Firebird]

It is astonishing how little you know about GPUs.

 

[R0H1T]

Is the compute likely to be gimped on 780 as it was for the rest of the 6xx series from Nvidia ?

 

[Fx1]

It is astonishing how little you know about GPUs.

i know more than you since you have nothing else to say other than just a comment about me.

 

[Genx87]

Fud's still claiming 500-600e (translates 1e:1$ due to VAT) today.


http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31415-geforce-gtx-780-comes-on-may-23rd

Is anyone finding them in retail yet?

Asus box:

http://videocardz.com/41538/asus-ge...tm_campaign=asus-geforce-gtx-780-box-pictured

So 780 vanilla should be $549 and 770 probably $449. Within the range that I expected and not $700 like some have been saying.

 

[Genx87]

I'm starting to wonder if it will really be starting at $500 (reference) up to $600 with more memory etc. Maybe they tested sentiment with the titan and notice people didn't like the price so this will feel like a value (and potentially lure customers that would normally not buy the high end). Won't be holding my breath on this though.

Replacing the 670 and 680. To do that they need to be in the same price range.

 

[Rvenger]

i know more than you since you have nothing else to say other than just a comment about me.

Your comment above doesn't make sense, so yes you sound like you are clueless.

Kepler will still be kepler when the GTX700 series releases so I don't know what you are trying to prove. You can take my quotes from over a year ago when I used to spew garbage in this forum without facts.. you will get chewed up. I learned the hard way.