The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[Fx1]

Your comment above doesn't make sense, so yes you sound like you are clueless.

Kepler will still be kepler when the GTX700 series releases so I don't know what you are trying to prove. You can take my quotes from over a year ago when I used to spew garbage in this forum without facts.. you will get chewed up. I learned the hard way.

I know exactly what im talking about. It makes sense you just dont understand it.

My point was that Kepler IS the 780 GTX AND the Titan. Which means the drivers are already pretty good which means you wont be seeing 20% increase at launch and 50% 3 months later when the drivers mature because the drivers are already mature. Basically what you get at launch is the performance your going to get. Unlike GCN with the 7970.

So yeh i know exactly what im talking about.

 

[Magic Carpet]

So, is the new 760 coming out this summer or not?

 

[tviceman]

The 7970 ended up 70-80% faster than the 6970 after driver improvements.

80% LOLOLOLOL Not even close. From techpowerup's Titan review:

That is 60% faster for the 7970GE. Do the math. Quit. Spewing. FUD. The 7970 is an abysmal 48% faster after all the massive driver improvements.

The 780 is always going to be only 20% faster than the 680 GTX.

Benchmarks? Oh wait, there aren't any so you are JUST GUESSING and SPEWING FUD.

There wont be any more performance left in the tank, what you buy is what you get

This has to be the worst post in this thread.

It is astonishing how little you know about GPUs.

This is the most correct post in this thread.

 

[omeds]

That is 60% faster. Do the math. Quit. Spewing. FUD.

Its actually 48% from 6970 to 7970.

 

[tviceman]

Yep, but I think it's even a worse $/% gain then the 7970 was. (based on rumored specs)

The 7970 was $550 at launch. From a comparison perspective, lets compare it to gtx580. According to techpowerup's original 7970 review @1600p (easy reference graphs), 7970 was 19% faster than gtx580 at launch.

If gtx780 is 15% faster than the current hd7970GE according to TPU's Titan review, that puts it at 62% faster than a gtx580.

GTX580's were going for right around $480 or so at 7970's launch. So, the 7970 at launch offered very little (if any) perf/$ when it first launched over the gtx580. If GTX780 launches at $599, that would be a substantial perf/$ improvement over what the 7970 launched at. If it launches at $649, it would be a modest improvement in perf/$. If it launches at $699, it will be a negligible improvement. Compared to 7970GE, which launched at $499, a $599 MSRP would offer a worse perf/$ over the 7970GE's launch curve.

This is all based on if gtx780 is 15% faster than 7970GE. I personally think gtx780 will end up 20% faster across the board, which would make a $599 launch identical to the perf/$ curve that the hd7970GE launched at.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lolz

 

[tviceman]

Its actually 48% from 6970 to 7970.

I was using 7970GE's numbers. I fixed my post to clarfiy.

 

[willomz]

I have done the SLI over more expensive single GPU route with 2x GTX460s and for the most part it was excellent. The problems only raise their head with the non AAA titles when Nvidia elect not to spend lots of resources creating working SLI profiles.

Flight sims etc rarely support SLI. As long as you only use mainstream games SLI is excellent.

Can you not max out any flight sim with just a single 460?
If not I'm pretty certain a single GTX 660 would do it.

 

[wand3r3r]

The 7970 was $550 at launch. From a comparison perspective, lets compare it to gtx580. According to techpowerup's original 7970 review @1600p (easy reference graphs), 7970 was 19% faster than gtx580 at launch.

If gtx780 is 15% faster than the current hd7970GE according to TPU's Titan review, that puts it at 62% faster than a gtx580.

GTX580's were going for right around $480 or so at 7970's launch. So, the 7970 at launch offered very little (if any) perf/$ when it first launched over the gtx580. If GTX780 launches at $599, that would be a substantial perf/$ improvement over what the 7970 launched at. If it launches at $649, it would be a modest improvement in perf/$. If it launches at $699, it will be a negligible improvement. Compared to 7970GE, which launched at $499, a $599 MSRP would offer a worse perf/$ over the 7970GE's launch curve.

This is all based on if gtx780 is 15% faster than 7970GE. I personally think gtx780 will end up 20% faster across the board, which would make a $599 launch identical to the perf/$ curve that the hd7970GE launched at.

The post I quoted was $700.

After that I found some more rumors about 500-600e.

Just to clarify.

580 was what $450 at 7970 launch?
7970 was only around 20% faster, and cost $100 more.

Fast Forward 1.5 years.

7970 G is $450 (7970 $400 or less?), if 780 was $700 and 20% faster that would be equal to the 7970 launch?
+$250 +20% performance.

Those are what I pictured to mention that it sounds like a terrible deal.

If it's actually $500, it sounds good.

 

[Fx1]

80% LOLOLOLOL Not even close. From techpowerup's Titan review:

That is 60% faster for the 7970GE. Do the math. Quit. Spewing. FUD. The 7970 is an abysmal 48% faster after all the massive driver improvements.



Benchmarks? Oh wait, there aren't any so you are JUST GUESSING and SPEWING FUD.



This has to be the worst post in this thread.



This is the most correct post in this thread.

Your post is what we call in the UK "gobshite"

Let me explain to you first of all that the GE is just an overclocked 7970. There is nothing different which means they CANT be called different cards. ITS THE SAME GPU.

Also you can cherry pick one websites information at 2560x1600 to support your theory. When in fact the 7970 is just as fast as the 6990. Which is 2x6970 so it must be more than 48% faster than a single 6970. Also It was a general comment about performance and im sure in some games it could be 50% and others closer to 70%.

The POINT was that performance increased ALOT as the drivers matured because GCN was new.

The GK110 ISNT NEW. Its just kepler and the drivers are very mature which means you wont see huge increases in performance like with GCN.

So keep gobbing off but im right.

Oh Anyone can do this too http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/14.html

78%

80%

69.4%

 

[BallaTheFeared]

78%

27% faster than the 580

80%

29% faster than the 580

69.4%

21% faster than the 580



Doesn't seem like much has changed since release, pretty interesting stuff.

7950 is still comparable to the 580 after all this time.

 

[chimaxi83]

Can you not max out any flight sim with just a single 460?
If not I'm pretty certain a single GTX 660 would do it.

Try maxing out any of the DCS sims on a 460, and prepare to be disappoint. CPU matters a lot more for any real sim though.

 

[Fx1]

27% faster than the 580



29% faster than the 580



21% faster than the 580



Doesn't seem like much has changed since release, pretty interesting stuff.

7950 is still comparable to the 580 after all this time.

So i win my argument and now we have to change it to something else?

What does the 580 have to do with my post?

 

[RussianSensation]

This is all based on if gtx780 is 15% faster than 7970GE. I personally think gtx780 will end up 20% faster across the board, which would make a $599 launch identical to the perf/$ curve that the hd7970GE launched at.

No it wouldn't. It would make it far worse. HD7970GE launched for $469-479 on Newegg in retail. The fastest single GPU against it was a GTX680 going for $480-500, while HD7970 925mhz were $399.

Somewhere along the way you lost track that price/performance follows the technology curve for the entire industry based on real world market pricing. The reason HD7970 was compared to GTX580 is because 580 was the previous flagship card and it sold in retail for $450 when HD7970 debuted. What is the use of comparing GTX780 to 580's MSRP and trying to talk about real world price/performance? Nothing. The fastest single-GPU AMD card today costs $410. Therefore if GTX780 is $599 and is 20% faster, that's a 20% increase in performance for a 46% real world price increase. HD7970 was $550 vs. $450 for a GTX580 1.5GB and was 20% faster for a 22% price increase.

HD7970 vs. NV's fastest single GPU = 1% price increase gave 0.9% performance increase over GTX580
GTX780 (if 20% faster and $599) vs. AMD's fastest single GPU = 1% price increase would give just 0.43% performance increase over HD7970GE
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That's 2x worse than 7970 vs. 580 when HD7970 launched.

You are cherry-picking GTX780 vs. 580 from an MSRP point of view which is irrelevant. For someone who is going to buy a GPU on May 23rd, the only thing that matters from a price/performance perspective is real world pricing compared to existing cards vs. new cards, not old MSRPs. They won't care what GTX580 cost years ago when they are going out and comparing a $410 HD7970GE vs. a $600 GTX780. GTX580 could have cost $10,000 and HD7970 could have cost $20,000 years ago -- it makes no difference for someone who is cross-shopping HD7970GE vs. GTX780 on May 23 since they'll be comparing price/performance using May 23rd prices.

 

[sontin]

The fastest single GPU from AMD is on par with nVidia third fastest single GPU in a few weeks. So it makes no sense to compare even the second fastest from nVidia when there is a card with the same performance for the same price.

 

[96Firebird]

was 20% faster for a 22% price increase.

The HD7970 was not 20% faster than the GTX 580 1.5GB at launch.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

Are we talking exclusively 1600p?

 

[ICDP]

Can you not max out any flight sim with just a single 460?
If not I'm pretty certain a single GTX 660 would do it.

Absolutely not, some sims require plenty of GPU power.

 

[RussianSensation]

80% LOLOLOLOL Not even close.

This is enthusiast forum. HD7970 @ 1180mhz is 79% faster than a stock HD6970 for a $180 price increase ($550 vs. $370).

The 7970 is an abysmal 48% faster after all the massive driver improvements.

48% for a stock 925mhz 7970. Ok fine. If you call 48% abysmal for a $180 price increase, what do you call the Titan's $600 price increase over 7970GE for a 32-33% performance increase? :hmm:

Didn't you upgrade from GTX570 OC to GTX670 OC? That's maybe a 40% increase in performance since GTX570 OC ~ GTX580. Yet you call HD7970's increase over 6970 abysmal. You know it takes a 1250mhz GTX670 to match a stock HD7970 GE, and at that point NV's efficiency advantage is out the window? Your 670 made $0 bitcoin mining while in some months HD7970 OC was making $150+. That's pretty good for an "abysmal" GPU. :biggrin:

 

[RussianSensation]

The HD7970 was not 20% faster than the GTX 580 1.5GB at launch.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

Are we talking exclusively 1600p?

Ya, it was across 15-20 reviews.

21% faster at 1920x1080 4AA

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/49646-amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review-25.html

21% faster at 1920x1080 4AA
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970/10/

I am not going to do your due diligence. You have Google Search. It's pretty amazing how quickly people forget recent data and revert to revisionist history.

Let's not even forget overclocking - Jan 9, 2012 with 'crappy' / early HD7970 drivers:

HD7970 OC mopped the floor with GTX580 OC the same day it launched. The Titan OC can only dream of that level of performance advantage over HD7970GE OC. GTX780 won't even come close to the price/performance HD7970 OC delivered over GTX580 OC on day 1 unless it costs $499 because $499 vs. $410 is a 22% price increase for a 20% performance increase.

If it's actually $500, it sounds good.

Nah, it's a great deal for $699. CUDA, PhysX, TXAA, so many revolutionary features....none of which makes $.

800mhz 7950 is still comparable to the 580 after all this time.

HD7950 OC > HD7970GE stock / GTX680 OC.

Pretty interesting how people who run systems with overclocked CPUs somehow lost the ability to OC GPUs.

 

[96Firebird]

Lol yessss... First one to bring in overclocking, Bitcoin, blah blah blah, how else can we move the goal posts to suit your way?

 

[Rvenger]

Lol yessss... First one to bring in overclocking, Bitcoin, blah blah blah, how else can we move the goal posts to suit your way?

Nice way to divert facts... put this thread in a vicious loop cycle.


If you want answers, look at some older reviews instead of turning this thread into irrelevant status. This is called the "The GTX 780, 770, 760, 750 Thread" I don't see '7970' in the title at all

 

[96Firebird]

Nice way to divert facts... put this thread in a vicious loop cycle.

It is a nice way to divert facts, by bringing up other metrics not previously mentioned. Which is why I don't do it.

Edit - Looking at the post below, why not bring bundles into the mix? I need to get my goal post puller, where did I leave that... :hmm:

 

[RussianSensation]

Lol yessss... First one to bring in overclocking, Bitcoin, blah blah blah, how else can we move the goal posts to suit your way?

HD7970GE $410 + 3 AAA games

GTX780 $599 with 1 AAA game, 20% faster?

46% price premium for a 20% performance increase -- worse than HD7970 vs. GTX580. GTX780 would need to cost $499 to match the price/performance HD7970 delivered over 580.

 

[Fx1]

Lol yessss... First one to bring in overclocking, Bitcoin, blah blah blah, how else can we move the goal posts to suit your way?

Overclocking might not be very important to current Nvidia owners but it sure helps the people who own the 7950 and 7970.

Given that we can hit 1125/1575 without even touching voltage on nearly all cards it makes that performance very important.

Also GCN FPS scales amazing with clock speed unlike kepler. You only have to look how much performance the Ghz cards have versus the standard clock 7970.

 

[wand3r3r]

So, is the new 760 coming out this summer or not?

The 760 ti is rumored to be coming. They are rumored to have the cards coming at intervals though so possibly late June or July.