games look way better on pc your not understanding my point you can get all in one with a pc thats what im trying to say,ok I can see where your comming from the ps3 is good for only 1 reason a foot rest.plus it looks so tacky.
What i'm trying to say here is that there are more games on the consoles that you can't play on the pc then the other way around. And that games look better on pc then on the consoles won't be true for the next 2 years and even then playing games at high resolutions and details on your pc comes at a high-price: the cost of the state of the art hardware for your pc.
Hmm the punctuation...
I don't know if you've ever experienced HD... I'd MUCH rather play a console game on a 62inch hdtv than on a 21inch lcd monitor. Even though the resolution may not be as good, there is something to be said for video games characters that big. Unless you have an hdtv hooked up to your computer(which doesn't work all that well) then they are kind of not related. The gameplay for each is different, ie: its a lot harder for most people to sit down with four or even eight of their friends and play a fps in the same room with computers.. If you don't have enough friends to know this well then you shouldn't go around bashing console games. They run problem free which says a lot for the average person who can't fix their own computer for anything. There will always be better graphics cards but think about displays. HDTV will make the ps3/xbox360 awesome. They may not be better than all computers but they will be cooler than many computers the average joe can afford.
I'm not trying to force my opinions on anyone, i just didn't agree on your argument that pc is all-in-one, because it isn't.
Ok i'l make a small list then of games that you can't play on pc: Metal gear solid, Burnout, Forza Motorsport, Gran Turismo, Soul Caliber, Tekken, Dead or Alive, Timsplitters, Halo 2, Killzone, Final Fantasy and there's so much more where that came from.(for example al Nintendo games).
Keysplayr
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Hey, go crazy.
. The PC is a "Jack of all trades" while the console is a "specialist".The PC can do anything you want it to. If there is a game that exists for a console that doesn't exist for a PC, it can be ported to PC. I'd like to see someone try to port a web browser, Pinnacle Studio DVD creation Suite, MS office, etc. I would probably hit the character limit for this entire forum before I was able to list all the things PC's can do.
It's cool that your a supporter of consoles, because they are pretty cool themselves. But the reality of it is, its strictly for gaming, and watching movies, and listening to music CD's. That's it.
I would take a Jack of all trades over a specialist in a heartbeat. So, go buy your console for 300 bucks and over the course of a year you will dedicate all of your hard earned allowance, birthday money, gift certificates, to purchasing games for it at about 60 to 80 dollars a pop. Buy ten games and your up to 600 to 800 dollars over the cost of the console. I'm not trying to stop you from getting your console brudda, you will do what you wish of course. Just trying to shed a little light on how MS and SONY and NIN all want to bleed your parents pockets dry for the sake of entertaining their children.
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am i the only one without an hdtv? i was pricing those suckas and my 13 y/o mitsubishi is looking ok
seriously though, are hdtvs that popular? and if you don't have one how good will the ps3 games look? i'm not concerned with xbox as i will wait for ps3 for my 9 y/o son, although i'll probably still have a hard time pulling him away from morrowind and rome:tw.
seriously though, are hdtvs that popular? and if you don't have one how good will the ps3 games look? i'm not concerned with xbox as i will wait for ps3 for my 9 y/o son, although i'll probably still have a hard time pulling him away from morrowind and rome:tw.
Originally posted by: rise4310
am i the only one without an hdtv? i was pricing those suckas and my 13 y/o mitsubishi is looking ok
seriously though, are hdtvs that popular? and if you don't have one how good will the ps3 games look? i'm not concerned with xbox as i will wait for ps3 for my 9 y/o son, although i'll probably still have a hard time pulling him away from morrowind and rome:tw.
I don't have a big HDTV either, but I do have a relatively high-resolution PC LCD monitor...which I will be using for the consoles if I end up buying any.
I live in a dorm for 8 months of the year though, so I realize this is not the optimal solution for people who actually do big living room setups and such
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Hey, go crazy.
The PC can do anything you want it to. If there is a game that exists for a console that doesn't exist for a PC, it can be ported to PC. I'd like to see someone try to port a web browser, Pinnacle Studio DVD creation Suite, MS office, etc. I would probably hit the character limit for this entire forum before I was able to list all the things PC's can do.
It's cool that your a supporter of consoles, because they are pretty cool themselves. But the reality of it is, its strictly for gaming, and watching movies, and listening to music CD's. That's it.
I would take a Jack of all trades over a specialist in a heartbeat. So, go buy your console for 300 bucks and over the course of a year you will dedicate all of your hard earned allowance, birthday money, gift certificates, to purchasing games for it at about 60 to 80 dollars a pop. Buy ten games and your up to 600 to 800 dollars over the cost of the console. I'm not trying to stop you from getting your console brudda, you will do what you wish of course. Just trying to shed a little light on how MS and SONY and NIN all want to bleed your parents pockets dry for the sake of entertaining their children.
I thought we where talking about gaming here? And again you don't need a high-end pc for those applications. All i'm trying to say here is that for gaming the pc is not superior to a console, because there are so many games you can't play on the pc and so little you can't on a console. And the pc as a gaming platform is losing advantages fast: online gaming was the number one advantage of a pc but that's now also possible on the consoles. The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are all equipped with usb ports so hooking up a mouse and keyboard to your console and play FPS and Strategie games with it is also possible(iv'e go a Playstation 2 and that console has got 2 usb ports and so i tried them out. I hooked up my pc optical mouse and keyboard to the Playstation 2 and started up the game Unreal Tournament. And it worked fine). Not only that a console costs a lot less then i high-end pc and has a much longer lifespan. Don't get me wrong i also like pc, but the fact is that for gaming a console is becoming much more interresting.
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: Dukemaster
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Hey, go crazy.
The PC can do anything you want it to. If there is a game that exists for a console that doesn't exist for a PC, it can be ported to PC. I'd like to see someone try to port a web browser, Pinnacle Studio DVD creation Suite, MS office, etc. I would probably hit the character limit for this entire forum before I was able to list all the things PC's can do.
It's cool that your a supporter of consoles, because they are pretty cool themselves. But the reality of it is, its strictly for gaming, and watching movies, and listening to music CD's. That's it.
I would take a Jack of all trades over a specialist in a heartbeat. So, go buy your console for 300 bucks and over the course of a year you will dedicate all of your hard earned allowance, birthday money, gift certificates, to purchasing games for it at about 60 to 80 dollars a pop. Buy ten games and your up to 600 to 800 dollars over the cost of the console. I'm not trying to stop you from getting your console brudda, you will do what you wish of course. Just trying to shed a little light on how MS and SONY and NIN all want to bleed your parents pockets dry for the sake of entertaining their children.
I thought we where talking about gaming here? And again you don't need a high-end pc for those applications. All i'm trying to say here is that for gaming the pc is not superior to a console, because there are so many games you can't play on the pc and so little you can't on a console. And the pc as a gaming platform is losing advantages fast: online gaming was the number one advantage of a pc but that's now also possible on the consoles. The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are all equipped with usb ports so hooking up a mouse and keyboard to your console and play FPS and Strategie games with it is also possible(iv'e go a Playstation 2 and that console has got 2 usb ports and so i tried them out. I hooked up my pc optical mouse and keyboard to the Playstation 2 and started up the game Unreal Tournament. And it worked fine). Not only that a console costs a lot less then i high-end pc and has a much longer lifespan. Don't get me wrong i also like pc, but the fact is that for gaming a console is becoming much more interresting.
Agreed, consoles are becoming more interesting. But like I said, any console game can be ported to PC which "to me" makes consoles least interesting.
Ronin
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Biggest problem with the 360 compared to the PS3 is simple. The XBOX has a 10MB vid card buffer, which pretty much limits you to a 4X FSAA without falling into the actual RAM of the system.
The PS3, on the other hand, can utilize all 512MB of RAM as a buffer, providing a much larger space for textures and whatnot.
Naturally, this is all theoretical, but I think you're going to see the results in the visual department as an end result.
The PS3, on the other hand, can utilize all 512MB of RAM as a buffer, providing a much larger space for textures and whatnot.
Naturally, this is all theoretical, but I think you're going to see the results in the visual department as an end result.
Also agreed, but a lot of games aren't ported to pc so you will need a console to play them. Furthermore gamedevelopers seem to find the pc platform less and less interesting with more and more games that are coming out for the consoles first. For me this means that although i like gaming on the pc, i also need a console otherwise i would miss out on to many of my favorite games. And a lot of games like adventure and beat em up games play a lot better with a controller sitting on the couch then with a keyboard siiting at the desk. One other thing that i like is playing a game with friends on one screen, wich you can't do with the pc.
What are you talking about? The 360 has access to all of the 512mb system memory as well for textures. It's a UMA architecture. The 10mb on chip memory is only for primary and backbuffer and this is to allow for incredibly fast rendering and this is why AA is virtually free. I think people are missing that this is on chip memory, not video memory like PC graphics cards today have (ie. external pins or buses to travel on). Textures and other video surfaces (shaders, vertex buffers, index buffers, etc) are allocated out of the system RAM. This same sort of thing goes on today with AGP memory on graphics cards, but it's important to note that the 360's bus is so incredibly fast that it's nothing like accessing these resources over AGP on PC parts today. You can't compare the 360 to any UMA integrated PC architecture.
The PS3 has 256mb of local video ram, just like your typical graphics card on a PC today. Then it also probably has the Turbo Cache equivalent to access system memory but it's not a UMA design meaning the system does not have access to the video memory.
R500 has access to as much memory as RSX--actually, 10MBs more, counting the on-die 10MB buffer. And apparently R500 doesn't need to fit all the back-buffers into EDRAM at once. It can tile if need be, according to the Firingsquad ATI in Xb360 interview.
I guess we'll see after both Xb360 and PS3 are released exactly how much EDRAM helps WRT AA, when people see real games on their HDTVs.
Your arguments are weaker than a wet paper towel.
Guess what. I own both a gaming pc, xbox, gamecube and ps2. I plan on owning a 360 and will get the PS3 if I think its good enough. Know why? I'm an adult and I make good money. I can own both and see the value in both.
When you get over the age of 12....tell me you don't see the value in getting 3-4 friends over for some Madden football or other games w/ a case of beer (captain and coke for me!) and having a blast.
Oh wait...you're going to gather all your friends around your 17" monitor and share the keyboard.
Meanwhile my graphics will be every bit as good as yours and it cost me a whopping $299. OMG look out poor house!!!!
Ronin
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This is the difference between what you hear, and what you see. I'm at E3 right now, and my information is based on talks with various people here.
Feel free to argue what you've heard if you want. Take what I've said for what it's worth, and disagree if you wish.
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There is something your overlooking here sparky, what do the games cost and how many of them have you purchased? Don't tell me you just play the game that came with each console when you purchased them. What about the extra controllers? What about the network adapter? What about the headset? 299.00 is a joke.
So, who's holding the wet paper towel now?
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
There is something your overlooking here sparky, what do the games cost and how many of them have you purchased? Don't tell me you just play the game that came with each console when you purchased them. What about the extra controllers? What about the network adapter? What about the headset? 299.00 is a joke.
So, who's holding the wet paper towel now?
Calm down, children...
Speaking of E3 what are people saying about the fact that many of Sonys best looking games that are running at E3 are videos that have been touched up and not actual gameplay?
That to me reminds me so much of the PS2 hype that its scary.
I would of thought it was just marketing bs from the other guys but some high ups at Sony have apparently admitted it.
The PS3 may be way better than the 360, but running videos instead of actual hardware at E3 is not a good idea, at least imo.
That to me reminds me so much of the PS2 hype that its scary.
I would of thought it was just marketing bs from the other guys but some high ups at Sony have apparently admitted it.
The PS3 may be way better than the 360, but running videos instead of actual hardware at E3 is not a good idea, at least imo.
Meh...they felt like they had to have a presence to compete with Xbox360, but their hardware is even further from being finalized than Microsoft's is...(Of course I'd much prefer realtime stuff myself, but I guess they just couldn't do that at this point. Maybe at E3 2006...)
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The games on the new consoles look awesome to say the least. This is the first time ever I remember having a gaming console make me re think how I upgrade my computer.
New questions emerge.
Will the gaming console be a better investment than a AMD X2 with a G7xxx?
What games from the consoles will be ported over?
How well does the CPU power of a PC stack up to a console? (Gaming Performance)
The X2 will be sold from the 500-1000 dollar range and it will likely be well over 500-800 dollars after the Xbox 360 arrives. I'd also imagine the G7xxx will also cost a pretty penny on the PC. I'd imagine 500 dollars. This is with rumors that the Xbox 360 will be sold for around 400-500 dollars all together with online gaming support.
How can a PC possibly compete with this? It seems like the consoles finally caught up to the PC and are finally real gaming machines. If the X-box 360 can connect to your computer monitor, what other reasons do you need not to blow thousands of dollars on a PCI-e motherboard, A64 X2, G70 or R520, and DDR2 machine when it arrives?
New questions emerge.
Will the gaming console be a better investment than a AMD X2 with a G7xxx?
What games from the consoles will be ported over?
How well does the CPU power of a PC stack up to a console? (Gaming Performance)
The X2 will be sold from the 500-1000 dollar range and it will likely be well over 500-800 dollars after the Xbox 360 arrives. I'd also imagine the G7xxx will also cost a pretty penny on the PC. I'd imagine 500 dollars. This is with rumors that the Xbox 360 will be sold for around 400-500 dollars all together with online gaming support.
How can a PC possibly compete with this? It seems like the consoles finally caught up to the PC and are finally real gaming machines. If the X-box 360 can connect to your computer monitor, what other reasons do you need not to blow thousands of dollars on a PCI-e motherboard, A64 X2, G70 or R520, and DDR2 machine when it arrives?
I agree completely, the only reason i'm currently thinking about upgrading my pc is because it will be 6 months before the Xbox 360 arrives and i want great graphics now. The fact is that i probably will have enough money to upgrade my pc aswell to buy a Xbox 360 and even a Playstation 3. If i were on a budget the i wouldn't think twice and spare my money for a next gen console.
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