The fix is in: Bernie Sanders to sue DNC if access to db isn't restored

[Jhhnn]

I don't see any. Beating up an old man who just apologized to you on national TV would not have been a sound PR decision.

I never said it would be, and it's not because of Bernie's age. Hillary is no spring chicken herself.

 

[Bitek]

St. Bernie the Benevolent steals data from Hilary, then blames Hillary...

He has learned well from the GOP.

This guy is FOS. He's every bit the crass politician all his fellow DC residents are. He's not even a real democrat.

 

[TheSlamma]

He's not even a real democrat.

We know, that is why his donors are not all Wall Street.

 

[Charmonium]

We know, that is why his donors are not all Wall Street.

From what I recall, Wall Street tends to donate to both parties but it's not an even split. But I think that was for actual election candidates rather than primary candidates. Not sure how that splits.

 

[JSt0rm]

St. Bernie the Benevolent steals data from Hilary, then blames Hillary...

He has learned well from the GOP.

This guy is FOS. He's every bit the crass politician all his fellow DC residents are. He's not even a real democrat.

Yeah yeah. We know. He is a communist. Obama is a secret muslim. Bernie is a commie. Whats Hillary? I think someone said a evil socialist.

 

[Indus]

Yeah yeah. We know. He is a communist. Obama is a secret muslim. Bernie is a commie. Whats Hillary? I think someone said a evil socialist.

Hillary is a lesbian muslim lover

 

[JSt0rm]

lesbian muslims will ruin america.

 

[Bitek]

Yeah yeah. We know. He is a communist. Obama is a secret muslim. Bernie is a commie. Whats Hillary? I think someone said a evil socialist.

He's a fair weather dem. He's played the independent part when it was more convenient, but now he wants a presidential run, so he wants all the party machinery to help him out.

What has he done to build the party? He just wants to show up and expect all the tools to just be handed over, and not only that, he's going to abuse them.
Then he gets caught, dodges blame by turning it into an opportunity to blast Clinton, one of the persons most responsible for building the strength of the modern dem party.

Why should the party apparatus rally around Bernie? What has he done for them over Clinton? How many in the party owe their careers to Bernie vs Clinton?

Dws is an idiot who fumbled the politics, but Bernie was a douche too.

 

[Indus]

Was listening to this segment where Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein thinks the DNC will torpedo Bernie Sanders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTqwof5VvbA

She has a point.. hopefully enough people vote for Bernie so that the superdelegates are irrelevant.

 

[Jhhnn]

He's a fair weather dem. He's played the independent part when it was more convenient, but now he wants a presidential run, so he wants all the party machinery to help him out.

What has he done to build the party? He just wants to show up and expect all the tools to just be handed over, and not only that, he's going to abuse them.
Then he gets caught, dodges blame by turning it into an opportunity to blast Clinton, one of the persons most responsible for building the strength of the modern dem party.

Why should the party apparatus rally around Bernie? What has he done for them over Clinton? How many in the party owe their careers to Bernie vs Clinton?

Dws is an idiot who fumbled the politics, but Bernie was a douche too.

So the real question is if you're a Hillary supporter or a concern troll.

If Bernie wasn't welcome among Dems he wouldn't have been caucusing with them. His views are very much those of progressive Dems. Should he take the nomination nobody will be holding back, bet on that. Take a look at the current Congress, imagine what they could accomplish with a Repub president.

 

[Bitek]

So the real question is if you're a Hillary supporter or a concern troll.

If Bernie wasn't welcome among Dems he wouldn't have been caucusing with them. His views are very much those of progressive Dems. Should he take the nomination nobody will be holding back, bet on that. Take a look at the current Congress, imagine what they could accomplish with a Repub president.

Bernie has been a 3rd party member from 1971 to this year. 44 years as a far left politician. Do you think he's going to stay a dem after he loses?

And if by some act of self immolation, the party hands him the nomination, what are his chances of winning? Slim to none. He will get torched in the general. That's if the GOP nominates Rubio or Christie et al, and I don't put his chances high against Trump either. His only shot is against Carson, and that's not happening either.

Im not far left and I don't feel any cultural or political inferiority to Europe. I have European family, and I've seen more than enough there to know I don't want to turn the US into them.

I do care about winning and having someone that is strong enough to deal with the GOP to get shit done, as well as long enough coat tails to bring the party back to majority where it can. Bernie is not that guy.

The consequences of the GOP winning the white house will be utterly disastrous.

 

[shady28]

Actually if you look at the polls on RealClearPolitics, Sanders is the only one who has a clean sweep on national election polls. Hillary does not have a clean sweep.

Hillary by contrast loses to Rubio and has very small (like < 0.5%) margins on a number of other vs polls for national elections.

So it would be false to say Sanders is un-electable. RINOS and DINOS keep using that falsehood to get who they want on both tickets.

There is an anti-establishment thought process at work here that doesn't really care if the nominee is Rep or Dem, only that they are not another crony.

 

[Bitek]

Actually if you look at the polls on RealClearPolitics, Sanders is the only one who has a clean sweep on national election polls. Hillary does not have a clean sweep.

Hillary by contrast loses to Rubio and has very small (like < 0.5%) margins on a number of other vs polls for national elections.

So it would be false to say Sanders is un-electable. RINOS and DINOS keep using that falsehood to get who they want on both tickets.

There is an anti-establishment thought process at work here that doesn't really care if the nominee is Rep or Dem, only that they are not another crony.

That's because nobody is seriously vetting him. Carson looked strong there for awhile until the microscope actually took a look. We all know what happened after that.

What few attacks Bernie has taken has been met with weak responses. Trumps few attacks should be a good preview, as well as how damaging Larry David's mocking impersonation was. Hit a bit too hard and SNL backed off and haven't done it again.

His comebacks in the debates have been lame as well.

It's going to be a tough election no matter who gets the GOP nomination, and Clinton's have shown far more resilience to GOP attacks.

Dems threw away the election in 2000 and the country paid dearly. The consequences of this election are shaping up to be even greater.

 

[nageov3t]

Actually if you look at the polls on RealClearPolitics, Sanders is the only one who has a clean sweep on national election polls. Hillary does not have a clean sweep.

Hillary by contrast loses to Rubio and has very small (like < 0.5%) margins on a number of other vs polls for national elections.

So it would be false to say Sanders is un-electable. RINOS and DINOS keep using that falsehood to get who they want on both tickets.

There is an anti-establishment thought process at work here that doesn't really care if the nominee is Rep or Dem, only that they are not another crony.

Ignore General Election Polls
They have little relationship to the final outcome

 

[werepossum]

That's because nobody is seriously vetting him. Carson looked strong there for awhile until the microscope actually took a look. We all know what happened after that.

What few attacks Bernie has taken has been met with weak responses. Trumps few attacks should be a good preview, as well as how damaging Larry David's mocking impersonation was. Hit a bit too hard and SNL backed off and haven't done it again.

His comebacks in the debates have been lame as well.

It's going to be a tough election no matter who gets the GOP nomination, and Clinton's have shown far more resilience to GOP attacks.

Dems threw away the election in 2000 and the country paid dearly. The consequences of this election are shaping up to be even greater.

If by some minor miracle Sanders is the Dem nominee, there will be no vetting. The mainstream media will laud him as the second (sorry, third) coming. The right wing media will certainly investigate him, but since everyone knows they will hate him even if they discover he's been sainted thrice and endorsed by Zombie Reagan newly risen after Sanders personally Healed him of that death thing, that hardly counts either. Vetting is no longer a thing, there is only digging up dirt and team sport politics.

 

[BoberFett]

Actually if you look at the polls on RealClearPolitics, Sanders is the only one who has a clean sweep on national election polls. Hillary does not have a clean sweep.

Hillary by contrast loses to Rubio and has very small (like < 0.5%) margins on a number of other vs polls for national elections.

So it would be false to say Sanders is un-electable. RINOS and DINOS keep using that falsehood to get who they want on both tickets.

There is an anti-establishment thought process at work here that doesn't really care if the nominee is Rep or Dem, only that they are not another crony.

I'm in that bucket and there are probably a million like me. I'd vote Sanders over Bush or Trump over Hillary, just to keep those fucking families out of the White House.

I have no use for politicians.

 

[JSt0rm]

Would you vote sanders over trump?

 

[BoberFett]

Would you vote sanders over trump?

Probably. Trump is all about Trump, and a loud pompous douchebag on top of that. Sanders, while I disagree with much of what he says, seems like a real public servant. One of the few.

Non-Trump-Republican v Clinton? No thanks, I'll pass. Third party all the way.

 

[shady28]

While it's a bit lefty, this article is pretty much spot-on in characterizing Sanders vs Clinton.

It criticizes the hypocrisy of Clinton, as well as the MSM and polling houses as complicit or at least compliant with the wishes of establishment politicians.

As a side note to this - a separate article noted that no one who the majority of Americans thought was dishonest or untrustworthy has ever been elected. To win, Hillary would have to change that 61% who associate her name with 'liar'.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...on-the-debate-defeated-the-dnc_b_8851816.html


Here are some blurps from the article to consider :

...ask yourself why America's political establishment has already anointed Clinton, even though ABC's opening graphic showed 2008's poll numbers almost identical to 2015's. ...In November of 2007, Clinton had a 27 point lead nationally over Barack Obama.
...
If polls are gospel, then these same polls show 61% of voters find Hillary Clinton "not honest and trustworthy."
...

The national polls we all like to quote seem to prefer landline phone calls to get polling data. That is obviously flawed.

Here are some of the online polls - keeping in mind that only about 70% of Americans have home broadband, these are still impressive margins.

Time Magazine :

Slate (lefty publication) :

Fox, yes the right-wing :

Wall St Journal - this is upper middle class America :

Washington Times :

 

[rpanic]

Whats Hillary? I think someone said a evil socialist.

She is really a dude.

 

[nageov3t]

While it's a bit lefty, this article is pretty much spot-on in characterizing Sanders vs Clinton.

HA Goodman is absurd, please don't take anything he writes seriously... I'm convinced that he's splooging over all the page views he gets any time he posts anything about Ron Paul Bernie Sanders, so he's cranking them out as quickly as possible with little basis in reality.

self-selecting online polls are worthless even on their best days, but doubly so given that Sanders supporters actively work on twitter and their Reddit board to brigade them.

 

[feralkid]

She is really a dude.

Dudes can't be mothers.

 

[rpanic]

Dudes can't be mothers.

Don't you know thats a hoax daughter, they stole her.

 

[shady28]

I'm in that bucket and there are probably a million like me. I'd vote Sanders over Bush or Trump over Hillary, just to keep those fucking families out of the White House.

I have no use for politicians.

More than a million, a lot more. Independents make up about 43% of the voting public.

Scroll to the bottom and note the independent favorability ratings for the candidates.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2311


Trump and Clinton are both deep in negative favorability with independents, along with Fiorina, Christie, Bush, and Rand Paul.

Sanders, Cruz, and Rubio are at the top with independents.

 

[Charmonium]

People love little else more than packaging. You can sell them a used lollipop but as long as it comes in a Tiffany's box, it's some thing special. That means that you can re-brand virtually anything, including politicians. The barrier is money and maybe time. Re-branding requires tons of cash and a lead time that is generally inversely proportional to the damage you want to undo. But given that the electorate generally has the attention span of a fruit fly, even lead time isn't really that much of an issue.