The fix is in: Bernie Sanders to sue DNC if access to db isn't restored

[ivwshane]

This is not true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

Don't bother, the guy is an idiot and will spend the next five posts proving it.

 

[TheSlamma]

One thing we know from 2015 is that Republicans hate and despise their own party establishment. With this trying to rig the election for Hillary, democrats might end up hating and despising their own party establishment too.

Only if they wake the fuck up

 

[Jhhnn]

One thing we know from 2015 is that Republicans hate and despise their own party establishment. With this trying to rig the election for Hillary, democrats might end up hating and despising their own party establishment too.

Not likely. Dems haven't adopted rage & resentment as core values.

It must be acknowledged that Righties have shitty & sullen butthurt attitudes about nearly everything, now extended with some righteousness against their own manipulative leadership. They still believe in the same divisive shit that leadership led them to believe, however, creating an opening for Trump's pandering to what they want to hear.

I strongly encourage the right fringe to make a statement, tell us how they feel, let their freak flag fly boldly over the inchoate rage & seething resentment they seem to love so well. The rest of us really need to see it & I believe they'll oblige.

 

[waggy]

Agreed, I prefer Bernie to hillary. A shame that he could be disenfranchised like this, hopefully it will be resolved soon.

I don't trust Hillary at all. While i don't agree with much of what Bernie is shooting for I do feel he is far more trustworthy then Hillary. Then something like this happens and it just cements that thought.

On the GOP side there is nobody worth thinking about. Though i admit i am kinda pulling for Trump; for the lolz.

 

[Jimzz]

I don't trust Hillary at all. While i don't agree with much of what Bernie is shooting for I do feel he is far more trustworthy then Hillary. Then something like this happens and it just cements that thought.

On the GOP side there is nobody worth thinking about. Though i admit i am kinda pulling for Trump; for the lolz.

This about sums up my thinking as well.
GOP has no one this time I would vote for, unless someone gets in late. That's in the general, in the primary yea Trump has my vote.

Dems Bernie is about as decent as it gets but that's along shot, I'll vote for him in the primary. Hillary would get my vote in the general but not as a vote of support but more a vote against what the republicans have put up.

If the republican is losing the general then I'll vote 3rd party.

 

[Exophase]

Whole situation is really odd.

On the one hand, I'm surprised these idiot staffers thought they could get away with this. Surely they must have known attempts to access these records would be logged.

On the other hand, I'm surprised at just how quickly they were caught. How did it happen? By routine checks of access logs by an incompetent vendor that wasn't aware of a security problem in the first place?

I hope there isn't even more foul play going on behind the scenes here.

Cutting any of Sanders' campaign off from his own data seems disproportionate and overly punitive, especially if this ban is meant to be permanent. This hurts Sanders far more than the breach hurts Clinton. And yes that's the case regardless of whatever data Sanders' campaign already archived as this would lock them out of future survey data.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yes, but more importantly what do you think of the slimy DNC denying him access to his own voter data? It's almost comical how badly the DNC wants hillary as their candidate that they would stoop this low to try and rub Sanders out in this manner.

The DNC wants Hilary as the candidate because she can win. Sanders cannot. They would be a failure as a party organization if they didn't favor the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's no different with the RNC and why they had such a rocky relationship with Trump for awhile. Remember what the purpose of a party organization is. It isn't to be fair to all candidates. It's to ensure a victory for the party.

 

[SP33Demon]

Forgot to update this from 4 hours ago, but Sanders is suing now.

Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) campaign sued the Democratic National Committee in federal court Friday evening following the suspension of his campaign from the DNC’s voter database after a security breach.

The suit claims that the campaign is losing $600,000 in donations each day that it does not have access to the data, and adds that the “damage to the campaign’s political viability as a result of being unable to communicate with constituents and voters, is far more severe, and incapable of measurement.”

$600,000 a day is going to hurt a grassroots campaign. Fuck the DNC. Here's what they are claiming:

“This was not an inadvertent glimpse into our data, not a mistake,” Mook said. “They made 25 intentional and targeted searches of our data.”

He also called on the Sanders campaign to stop "politicizing" and fundraising off of the DNC breach. The Vermont senator's campaign sent out a fundraising email Friday afternoon that called on supporters to sign a petition calling on the DNC to return the data back to Sanders.

Why wouldn't Sanders try to recoup some of the $600,000 he lost today? And if the firewall is down and everyone knew it, then why isn't their data fair game?

 

[sportage]

This is the same type of defense we see from most sixteen year old's of today.
They pull some crap, get caught, and the OTHER guy is the one to blame.
Oh Bernie. What hast thou done? Bye bye Bernie....

 

[Indus]

Move On has a petition to remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

 

[SP33Demon]

Move On has a petition to remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Nice, I signed it just for shits and giggles.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

That petition should have gone up 11/5/2014. Here's DWS in action two days before the last election:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/11/03/debbie_wasserman_schultz_obama_our_best_asset.html
I'll be thrilled if this is what finally rids the DNC of DWS but unfortunately I fully expect we'll be saddled with her for a while yet.

 

[Bowfinger]

Whole situation is really odd.

On the one hand, I'm surprised these idiot staffers thought they could get away with this. Surely they must have known attempts to access these records would be logged.

On the other hand, I'm surprised at just how quickly they were caught. How did it happen? By routine checks of access logs by an incompetent vendor that wasn't aware of a security problem in the first place? ...

According to the news story I heard, it was Sanders' staff who found the problem and reported it to the DNC. They just couldn't resist digging around in Clinton's data first. I don't have a link handy to verify this, however.

 

[JSt0rm]

The DNC wants Hilary as the candidate because she can win. Sanders cannot. They would be a failure as a party organization if they didn't favor the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's no different with the RNC and why they had such a rocky relationship with Trump for awhile. Remember what the purpose of a party organization is. It isn't to be fair to all candidates. It's to ensure a victory for the party.

Sanders can win.

 

[SP33Demon]

Sanders can win.

Yep, Sanders is a major threat and the establishment will do anything they can to undermine any threat to hillary.

 

[Charmonium]

The DNC wants Hilary as the candidate because she can win. Sanders cannot. They would be a failure as a party organization if they didn't favor the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's no different with the RNC and why they had such a rocky relationship with Trump for awhile. Remember what the purpose of a party organization is. It isn't to be fair to all candidates. It's to ensure a victory for the party.

Exactly. Bernie is an idealist who will never make it as president. He'd be like Obama in his first term, essentially clueless. He's been an independent in his tenure as Vermont's senator so I doubt that he has either the knowledge or connections to get anything done.

Hillary however knows how the game is played and is smart enough to play it well. If I have any reservations about her it would be her health. She had that scare a few years ago that her publicists tried to down play, but I wonder if it wasn't something more serious. So I'll be very concerned about who she picks as VP. If that's Bernie, I'd be fine with that just for the purpose of unifying the party.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie wins NH. But he's not going to be able to go up against Hillary in the other states and win. He's much too left wing for most Democrats who I think are, the vast majority anyway, more middle of the road.

 

[Indus]

I don't think $15 minimum wage is too far left. If anything "our wages are too high" are too prepostrous but instead the media conceals that under the constant Trump said this or that cloud.

 

[Moonbeam]

The DNC wants Hilary as the candidate because she can win. Sanders cannot. They would be a failure as a party organization if they didn't favor the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's no different with the RNC and why they had such a rocky relationship with Trump for awhile. Remember what the purpose of a party organization is. It isn't to be fair to all candidates. It's to ensure a victory for the party.

You realize, I hope, that the party means nothing. Sanders is the only hope this country has of starting the revolution that will return democracy to the people by taking power away from the wealthy. It just fucking amazes me that people worry about a party wining when the country is dying. Hillary will be the same old same old. Democrats and Republicans are digging our grave because all they care about is winning. Oh well, we all know we are fucked. I'd rather vote for a winner than live in a healthy country.

 

[Exophase]

So I'll be very concerned about who she picks as VP. If that's Bernie, I'd be fine with that just for the purpose of unifying the party.

I doubt she'd pick such someone so old, he'd be 82 in 2024 when the VP would usually be expected to run.

 

[Moonbeam]

Exactly. Bernie is an idealist who will never make it as president. He'd be like Obama in his first term, essentially clueless. He's been an independent in his tenure as Vermont's senator so I doubt that he has either the knowledge or connections to get anything done.

Hillary however knows how the game is played and is smart enough to play it well. If I have any reservations about her it would be her health. She had that scare a few years ago that her publicists tried to down play, but I wonder if it wasn't something more serious. So I'll be very concerned about who she picks as VP. If that's Bernie, I'd be fine with that just for the purpose of unifying the party.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie wins NH. But he's not going to be able to go up against Hillary in the other states and win. He's much too left wing for most Democrats who I think are, the vast majority anyway, more middle of the road.

Hehehehe, you fucking moron. You know what happens to people in the middle of the road. They get vertically challenged.

 

[Exophase]

Looks like the DNC turned over on their decision to keep Sanders from his data:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...fe0d5aca2?cps=gravity_2425_195312214791803398

Guess they didn't want the lawsuit afterall.

 

[Charmonium]

You realize, I hope, that the party means nothing. Sanders is the only hope this country has of starting the revolution that will return democracy to the people by taking power away from the wealthy. It just fucking amazes me that people worry about a party wining when the country is dying. Hillary will be the same old same old. Democrats and Republicans are digging our grave because all they care about is winning. Oh well, we all know we are fucked. I'd rather vote for a winner than live in a healthy country.

You do realize that Bernie can't do shit w/o a compliant congress. And if he can't even get the support of people in his own party, he'll end up being just another figure head like Obama was for most of his presidency.

 

[Exophase]

According to the news story I heard, it was Sanders' staff who found the problem and reported it to the DNC. They just couldn't resist digging around in Clinton's data first. I don't have a link handy to verify this, however.

Yeah I dunno, that makes things sound even stranger. The staffers wouldn't have reported anything without this going up further and they definitely would have been nervous once it was clear the data was searched. At which point, if they did still report it immediately, they would have done all the damage control they could, like firing the responsible parties preemptively, censuring anyone who could have had access to the information, and making sure they reported that the computers were heavily scrubbed.

 

[brianmanahan]

this seals bernie's fate - it is downhill from here

 

[TheSlamma]

Not likely. Dems haven't adopted rage & resentment as core values.

But NEITHER one has adopted integrity as a core value either.

You can look up what that word means on your own.

automatic forgiveness of any ethics or crimes based on being a party member is what breaks this since you will need that explained.