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The fight to convince people of climate change...

I say more research, as dumping billions of dollars in combating climate change might not make any difference. America is just a small part of the equation when you have china and india.
 
nick1985 said:
is on the same level as combating racism.

So says Al Gore. LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/28/al-gore-compares-climate-change-to-civil-rights-fight/
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Beware the prophet seeking profit.

I'll give the man one thing, he sure knows how to push the buttons of the faithful. Every time 'the cause' starts waning, he's there in the mix stirring things up.

To quote our dear leader, "I do think at some point you've made enough money." How much more do you need Al? How many more mansions, how many more beachfront estates?

What I really find most curious is that those that spurn organized religion don't realize that this cause, their cause, has all the same trappings.
 
Climate change is a given, it's been happening since there was an atmosphere. Man made climate change is another matter entirely.
 
ThatsABigOne said:
I say more research, as dumping billions of dollars in combating climate change might not make any difference. America is just a small part of the equation when you have china and india.
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Oh, it will make a difference alright, a difference in Al's pocketbook. Why do you think he keeps pushing his lunacy?
 
thanks for reminding me that the billions of tons of stuff that man is putting into the air on this planet - is all a figment of Al Gore's pocketbook...

/facepalm..
 
In regards to the skeptics about Catastrophic Climate Change or Man Made Global Warming, Mahatma Ghandi said it best. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
 
monovillage said:
In regards to the skeptics about Catastrophic Climate Change or Man Made Global Warming, Mahatma Ghandi said it best. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
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I'm fairly sure Ghandi was not talking about man made global warming with that statement.
 
NeoV said:
thanks for reminding me that the billions of tons of stuff that man is putting into the air on this planet - is all a figment of Al Gore's pocketbook...

/facepalm..
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This planet was formed with extended periods of volcanic activity. You want to talk about billions of tons of stuff... You're here and living well enough to tell us, evidently with certainty, that we're doing damage to the planet.

You're not worried about the planet, you're worried about your own ass. This planet will survive just fine if the entire human species and every living thing on it disappeared tomorrow.

Write Al a check if you're concerned. In the meantime, I'll do everything I can to keep that corrupt, greedy SOB's hands out of my pockets. The notion that making Al Gore and his minions rich will have any effect whatsoever on what happens on this planet is pure absurdity. He's appealing to your basic instincts and you're falling for it.

There are monsters in your closet...

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boomerag - to quote the principal from Billy Madison - " what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

Because there were volcanoes in earth's past means what exactly?

I could care less if Al Gore or George Bush was a 'spokesman' for this - when 97% of scientists in their field tell me something - I tend to believe them - they know much more about this than all of us put together. The idea that they are all in on some kind of scam is so ridiculous it's actually pathetic that the likes of you with your internet degree in climatology are telling us they are all wrong.

Here's a silly question - don't you think if this was all some kind of scam - wouldn't the scientists go where the real money is - IE the oil companies? If you were a climate scientist and you were willing to lie to make money - do you think it would be easier to have Exxon pay you to say that oil isn't harmful at all, or that we need to create a bunch of new technology and R&D despite fierce political opposition from people that think science is like religion - even thought they defend religion?

Call me crazy, but I'd go with the oil company if I was just offering my opinions for money and bogus science.
 
They do have scientists on the payroll, but the potential for the MMGW deal is much bigger since it involves governments that have GDPs measured in the trillions and not a company with profits measured in the billions. There's much more money scamming the government then there is scamming an oil company. They will only pay so much in that kind of advertising.
 
Nintendesert said:
They do have scientists on the payroll, but the potential for the MMGW deal is much bigger since it involves governments that have GDPs measured in the trillions and not a company with profits measured in the billions. There's much more money scamming the government then there is scamming an oil company. They will only pay so much in that kind of advertising.
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OK, ignoring the fact that you're kind of veering into conspiracy theory territory (I can't prove it, but it's POSSIBLE, so therefore it's true), I've never quite understood the alleged economic incentive behind supporting MMGW. Yes, you get a relatively small amount of money selling carbon credits (which most corporations could make money from), and there is a potential economic upside to funding alternative energy technologies. But there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the economic incentive the conspiracy would seem to require. And more importantly, it doesnt' seem to benefit enough of the right people. People act like it's just Al Gore pushing MMGW, ignoring the legion of scientists supporting the idea, for whom the economic incentive apparently requires some further conspiricies about scientific funding. And ignoring that the main opposition is from scientists who have political reasons to reject MMGW, people who aren't scientists at all, and people who aren't scientists who have a political motivation.
 
If you convince people about golabal warming or climate change, what good will it do. You dont have any solutions do you?

Blindly spending money on things that will not provide any improvement is not a solution.
 
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OK, ignoring the fact that you're kind of veering into conspiracy theory territory (I can't prove it, but it's POSSIBLE, so therefore it's true), I've never quite understood the alleged economic incentive behind supporting MMGW. Yes, you get a relatively small amount of money selling carbon credits (which most corporations could make money from), and there is a potential economic upside to funding alternative energy technologies. But there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the economic incentive the conspiracy would seem to require. And more importantly, it doesnt' seem to benefit enough of the right people. People act like it's just Al Gore pushing MMGW, ignoring the legion of scientists supporting the idea, for whom the economic incentive apparently requires some further conspiricies about scientific funding. And ignoring that the main opposition is from scientists who have political reasons to reject MMGW, people who aren't scientists at all, and people who aren't scientists who have a political motivation.
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Show us the path for reversal. Show us how much money it will take, what steps will be taken and over what time period it will take to turn this around. We've been hearing alarming 'stories' for decades. Warming, cooling, - all that. You believe what you hear now, just as generations of like minded thinkers believed what they heard during their heyday. The only thing that has changed is the sophistication level of the propaganda.

I want to see more than it's happening. I want to know what it's going to take to reverse it. I want to know how much it's going to cost, what changes we're going to have to make and the probability of success. We've heard many times before that we only had a decade left to reverse whatever trend was the scare tactic of the day. That decade came and went, another scare (the reverse) was grandstanded, we only had a decade at that time, rinse and repeat.

When you've been through three of these as I have, you understand it's nothing more than bullshit. I'd have been dead already based on the first two scares I've lived through. Number three is just another power and money grab like the first two.

But, for those who think this all 'new' it sures makes for some exciting, scary and foreboding conversations.
 
boomerang said:
Show us the path for reversal. Show us how much money it will take, what steps will be taken and over what time period it will take to turn this around. We've been hearing alarming 'stories' for decades. Warming, cooling, - all that. You believe what you hear now, just as generations of like minded thinkers believed what they heard during their heyday. The only thing that has changed is the sophistication level of the propaganda.

I want to see more than it's happening. I want to know what it's going to take to reverse it. I want to know how much it's going to cost, what changes we're going to have to make and the probability of success. We've heard many times before that we only had a decade left to reverse whatever trend was the scare tactic of the day. That decade came and went, another scare (the reverse) was grandstanded, we only had a decade at that time, rinse and repeat.

When you've been through three of these as I have, you understand it's nothing more than bullshit. I'd have been dead already based on the first two scares I've lived through. Number three is just another power and money grab like the first two.

But, for those who think this all 'new' it sures makes for some exciting, scary and foreboding conversations.
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lolx. Consider this: Climatologists make the claim that GW is happening and that Man is largely responsible. They state that CO2 and other Gases need to be reduced, that's it. So Politicians and others more inclined to bring about Legislation/Solutions to issues have suggested numerous Taxes, Mandated Emissions Standards, Markets to address this, etc.

Are you suggesting that this money then flows directly into the pockets of Climatologists? If we had just began to curb these Emissions, Climatologists wouldn't be needing to dedicate so much of their Research towards Convincing everyone of what they already Know to be true. In short, you and other Deniers are actually forcing more $ to be spent on Climatologists Research because you refuse to accept the facts.
 
boomerang said:
Show us the path for reversal. Show us how much money it will take, what steps will be taken and over what time period it will take to turn this around. We've been hearing alarming 'stories' for decades. Warming, cooling, - all that. You believe what you hear now, just as generations of like minded thinkers believed what they heard during their heyday. The only thing that has changed is the sophistication level of the propaganda.

I want to see more than it's happening. I want to know what it's going to take to reverse it. I want to know how much it's going to cost, what changes we're going to have to make and the probability of success. We've heard many times before that we only had a decade left to reverse whatever trend was the scare tactic of the day. That decade came and went, another scare (the reverse) was grandstanded, we only had a decade at that time, rinse and repeat.

When you've been through three of these as I have, you understand it's nothing more than bullshit. I'd have been dead already based on the first two scares I've lived through. Number three is just another power and money grab like the first two.

But, for those who think this all 'new' it sures makes for some exciting, scary and foreboding conversations.
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So your belief that something is a problem is based entirely on whether or not there is a convenient or obvious solution to the problem? That certainly sounds easy, but not exactly realistic.

And I hate to argue with your past experiences, but that's not really how science or progress works. And if you had actually paid attention to all you'd been through, you might have noticed that quite often, problems ARE solved by addressing them. Yes, some problems turn out to be just "scares", but it's silly to think that all of them are. Or for that matter, that the existence of past scares means every future problem is also a scare.

The most intelligent thing to do is look at a potential problem, size up the evidence, and make a decision about whether or not we need to do something about it. If we do, look at all the possibilities and pick the best one. Complaining about the lack of obvious solutions as a reason to ignore the problem, or disregarding a problem because sometimes people have been wrong in the past (in your no doubt very selective memory) isn't the product of experience...
 
monovillage said:
Here you can see the DROP in sea level. I'm sure all the Global Climate Models and Climate Alarmists predicted it though....... lol
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
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You just linked to a graph that very clearly shows a consistent increase in the sea level over the last 18 years, with a small decrease in the last year or so that seems to be consistent with similar short term drops in the past, but which you seem to believe indicates a signfiicant problem for people who think climate change will increase the sea level.

When people talk about folks being anti-science, this is why.
 
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