The facebook double standards in ISIS attacks

[michal1980]

That's because you are a moron.

Dropping bombs from drones is not fighting

 

[Oric]

They still were NOT defending democracy!! Not democracy as the west defines democracy!!

So Mr. IKnowitAll, what were those people defending, could you enlighten the board ? When a political party makes a rally before the elections, it is not a democratic act ? Or are you going deeper and say that HDP is not defending democracy ? Well, suprise, Turkish elections and political parties are up to EU norms and we are talking about a party defending the rights of an oppressed population in the country in the democratical platforms. Or are you saying that Turkey is not a democracy ? Unless stated by credible International reports it proves otherwise, the worst you can call it is a "democracy with problems".

So coming back to your statement, the ISIS bombing victims in Ankara were not defending democracy, what were they doing actually, I really want to know.

 

[sm625]

Since over 20% of France supports ISIS (or did until last weekend anyway), I would question the idea that France is worthy of supporting any more than Lebanon is. Giant welfare state, totally open for invasion and doing nothing to stop it, they're just completely nuts. They may as well be a middle eastern country.

 

[Slew Foot]

muslims killing muslims in a muslim country is like blacks killing blacks in south chicago. it happens so often that no one cares.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Our military has been fighting Isis?. That's news to me.

Big planes fly high in sky and drop bombs on targets on ground.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Dropping bombs from drones is not fighting

He writes from his comfy chair in his comfy home in his comfy town in his comfy country.

 

[MongGrel]

The day before the Paris attack 43 people were killed and 230 people were injured in an attack that took place in Beirut.

How many of you were even aware of it.

A lot of people have been aware of the situation in Lebanon awhile now.

Why we dropped off a lot of Howitzers and ammo there not long ago.

US delivers $25 million in weapons and ammunition to Lebanese army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7TpDC0oJg

The Islamic State and Hezbollah Fight For Lebanon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvil3E3QgMY

 

[Mai72]

You could say the same with The Native Americans. 250 million murdered, yet our own government doesn't even recognize what we did.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So Mr. IKnowitAll, what were those people defending, could you enlighten the board ? When a political party makes a rally before the elections, it is not a democratic act ? Or are you going deeper and say that HDP is not defending democracy ? Well, suprise, Turkish elections and political parties are up to EU norms and we are talking about a party defending the rights of an oppressed population in the country in the democratical platforms. Or are you saying that Turkey is not a democracy ? Unless stated by credible International reports it proves otherwise, the worst you can call it is a "democracy with problems".

So coming back to your statement, the ISIS bombing victims in Ankara were not defending democracy, what were they doing actually, I really want to know.

Dude chill! You have your head stuck so far up your rectum you can`t even breath!
Just because you are member of a certain political party of group doee NOT mean that you are defending Democracy!! They did not die fighting or defending Democracy!! Get over it!!
Your agenda is a goofy agenda!!

 

[MongGrel]

You could say the same with The Native Americans. 250 million murdered, yet our own government doesn't even recognize what we did.

I wouldn't mind getting my Lenape land back in Manhattan, but that isn't going to happen. Probably not over 1/16 Lenape anyways it's that far back.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Unless you're talking about drones. Gotta bop a couple dozen innocent schoolchildren every now and then.

'Innocent' is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

 

[Bacstar]

Take no offense the US and France have a long love/hate relationship. France made the American revolution possible. They even gave us the Statue of Liberty which now and at the time was a stunning piece of art that was a monumental challenge to transport here.

Just another big event for the French and US was the Beirut Bombings of 1983

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

If we weren't separated by oceans, we'd just be another part of Europe.

 

[MongGrel]

Just another big event for the French and US was the Beirut Bombings of 1983

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

If we weren't separated by oceans, we'd just be another part of Europe.

I was an active duty Marine at the time of the barracks attack in VMFA-232 and later in H&MS-24 at MCAS Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii.

It really put everyone's back up in a major way, to put it politely.

 

[Victorian Gray]

WTF are you on about? The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire was barely 100 years ago. And for the most part, they were allowed to keep their lands.

Dare I say that if the winners and losers in that war were reversed, things might not have been so magnanimous.

Europe was well established as a colonial force in North Africa/East Africa and Southern/Eastern Arabian peninsula.

North Africa and the middle east in 1914

The war allowed them to pretty much take over the middle east for the next few decades and establish their ability to exert control in the post colonial period.

the middle east after the war

 

[Victorian Gray]

'Innocent' is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

or,

 

[MongGrel]

Europe was well established as a colonial force in North Africa/East Africa and Southern/Eastern Arabian peninsula.

North Africa and the middle east in 1914

The war allowed them to pretty much take over the middle east for the next few decades and establish their ability to exert control in the post colonial period.

the middle east after the war

I usually support a lot of things you post, but what is your point.

Things went down the drain when countries left them to fend for themselves I guess.

Kill the infidels, etc.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I usually support a lot of things you post, but what is your point.

Things went down the drain when countries left them to fend for themselves I guess.

Kill the infidels, etc.

This was the original point

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37837906&postcount=28

then TLC jumped in and that was my reply to him.

Seems pretty straightforward.

 

[Bitek]

many in this board have said that they do not feel connected with people who were victims of ISIS, in Turkey, in Lebanon. But the victims in those countries were living western style lifes, defending their rights and democracy. By ignoring them you give the following message :

"No matter what you do, we will never care about you, you are different. In your struggle to be like us, you are pathetic. You better die, we love the French better"

Implicit in the posts so far is that Facebook is Western/American, so the company's insensitivity to other parts of the globe is to be expected.

That is a foolish response for a global media company to take imo.

 

[Bitek]

As far as American popular opinions on terrorism in Lebanon and other middle eastern counties? We've come to assume this is a normal facet of life there, and only pay attention when it looks like the craziness and violence is spilling over into our lives. Then we will want to drop lots of bombs until it stops or we get tired of it.

 

[Spungo]

Kill the infidels, etc.

I'm still shocked by the way people don't see why people around the world would come to this conclusion. We bomb hospitals in some country, and they pledge to blow up our hospitals in retaliation? How dare they!?!? Don't they know who we are? We are the Master Race!

Does anyone think it's odd how the Irish Republican Army (IRA) only does terrorist attacks in the UK? If they hated people for their freedom, wouldn't they also bomb things in France and Germany? It seems like these terrorist attacks are a response to something, almost like they're not random. Is it possible that Irish people are humans too, and the violence is an expression of frustration?

These terrorist attacks would stop if countries would just learn to stop fucking with people.

 

[Jaskalas]

These terrorist attacks would stop if countries would just learn to stop fucking with people.

We're supposed to ignore and take several decades worth of terrorist attacks "on the chin" until they get bored of killing us? No retaliation?

 

[Spungo]

We're supposed to ignore and take several decades worth of terrorist attacks "on the chin" until they get bored of killing us? No retaliation?

What do you mean no retaliation? Terrorism is the retaliation. We attacked them first. Remember the time we overthrew Iran's government and installed a dictator? Remember the time we overthrew Iraq's government and allowed ISIS to be created? Remember the time we gave weapons to ISIS so they could commit acts of terror in Syria? Now we're pretending to be shocked that this could have blowback?

 

[werepossum]

I am very sad about the innocent lives taken by the ISIS bombers and gunmen in Paris.

But just a day before, an equally bloody attack was in Beirut

4 weeks ago in Ankara, 3 months ago in Suruc, Turkey .. again by ISIS

I am sure you did not hear about them and Facebook did not offer to color your profile with Lebanese and Turkish flags (Turks are the 3rd largest Facebook community in the world FYI)

Such responses of the classic and electronic media, intentional or not, create a doubt in the minds of millions around the globe whether a French life is more precious than a Lebanese or Turkish life.

Think and comment about it


http://usuncut.com/world/beirut-this...get-any-media/

Sadly, the world expects such attacks in Islamic countries. Any time a nation is all or almost all Muslim, we expect one faction to be murdering civilians supposedly to fight the other faction. It isn't so much that we don't value Muslim lives as it is that we are accustomed to Muslims not valuing Muslim lives. Thus such terrorism is not considered news, just business as usual. By contrast, such massacres are not at all common in Christian nations, so they are news. Especially in nations with whom we have longstanding ties. Neither Turkey nor Lebanon are nations with which we have emotional and/or societal bonds.

Might have been different. America tried our best to get Turkey fully integrated into the EU to cement your relationship with the West. At that point, you guys were a major ally. Heck, most of your military heavy ordnance is either US built or US designed. Unfortunately Turkey is moving toward Islamism, so we no longer have much of a bond. (And we certainly have none with Lebanon; maybe it could have been saved in the seventies or eighties, but not now.) Might have been different had we been able to get Turkey fully integrated into the EU, or maybe the Europeans saw further than we. No way to know now, we can only mourn what might have been.

 

[werepossum]

He writes from his comfy chair in his comfy home in his comfy town in his comfy country.

It's a comfy country because as a rule Catholics aren't murdering Protestants (or vice versa) for not worshipping G-d the "right way". The Christian West grew up and embraced civilization, embraced accepting and even celebrating differences. The Islamic East has not.

 

[Jaskalas]

What do you mean no retaliation? Terrorism is the retaliation. We attacked them first. Remember the time we overthrew Iran's government and installed a dictator? Remember the time we overthrew Iraq's government and allowed ISIS to be created? Remember the time we gave weapons to ISIS so they could commit acts of terror in Syria? Now we're pretending to be shocked that this could have blowback?

1: Iran has been well behaved by comparison to others.
2: I'm all for stopping the Neocon agenda of arming terrorists and bringing "Democracy" to the Middle East.

But when something like ISIS spawns... and we suffer attacks... it does seem proper to put an end to them.