The End Is Near!

[Pabster]

Story here.

So this is it.

And here are Bill's "hints".

Hillary is apparently planning a speech in NY. Hopefully it's the concession speech that should have been given several months ago.

 

[Robor]

Here's to hoping tomorrow is the day. :beer:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's to hoping tomorrow is the day. :beer:

First round's on me. :beer:

 

[jman19]

Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

 

[nageov3t]

she and bill are major fund-raisers and she's going back into the senate having had 49% of democrats nationwide vote for her.

I think they'll respond to her just fine.

 

[theeedude]

Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

What have been so bad about her campaign tactics? I mean sure she's tried to present things in the most positive light for herself, (which hasn't been easy) but what has she really done that's so wrong? It seems like people are offended that she keeps trying to be president.

The only thing I can think of that I truly believe was out of line about how Clinton has done things is when she said that McCain was more qualified to be the commander in chief then Obama is. That's a big primary no-no. You never say the guy from the other party is better then one of your own party guys.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

What have been so bad about her campaign tactics? I mean sure she's tried to present things in the most positive light for herself, (which hasn't been easy) but what has she really done that's so wrong? It seems like people are offended that she keeps trying to be president.

The only thing I can think of that I truly believe was out of line about how Clinton has done things is when she said that McCain was more qualified to be the commander in chief then Obama is. That's a big primary no-no. You never say the guy from the other party is better then one of your own party guys.

I didn't really mean to put her in a bad light. I was just curious if some would think riding this out as long as she has would hurt the Dems chances. She had ever right to campaign the way she has, there's no doubt about that.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: loki8481
she and bill are major fund-raisers and she's going back into the senate having had 49% of democrats nationwide vote for her.

I think they'll respond to her just fine.

That's exactly my point, really. She is a very important member of the party. Do you think she'll be extended an olive branch from Obama, so to speak, in the form of being VP?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: loki8481
she and bill are major fund-raisers and she's going back into the senate having had 49% of democrats nationwide vote for her.

I think they'll respond to her just fine.

That's exactly my point, really. She is a very important member of the party. Do you think she'll be extended an olive branch from Obama, so to speak, in the form of being VP?

I pray not.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

I think it really depends on what happens in the next couple weeks after Hillary drops out.

I've said it before, but if Obama can't unite the other half of the party that shares nearly all of his views on issues, he doesn't deserve the job.

 

[Lemon law]

Do not get me wrong, I am not a Hillary fan, but I will believe it when Hillary officially concedes and not before. After all, June 3 marks the end of the primaries, after that any hope Hillary has lies in persuading the remaining super delegates who must come to the Hillary side something on the order of 85% or better.

But then again, I am also prepared to accept tomorrow will be her concession speech, but until I know for sure, I will wait.

In terms of the jman question of---What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics?

That is fairly easy to answer, if Hillary concedes tomorrow, the democrats will all embrace and Hillary will be expected to campaign hard for Obama for the general.
If Hillary does not concede tomorrow, she will make some very strong democratic enemies if she tries to make a floor fight at the convention. But there may be a middle ground
Hillary can also receive a forgive and forget, and thats to delay her concession until Obama goes over 2118 which should occur by late this week.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's to hoping tomorrow is the day. :beer:

First round's on me. :beer:

I got second round :beer:

 

[nageov3t]

hm. what's the appropriate liquor to get drunk off of for mourning?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: loki8481
hm. what's the appropriate liquor to get drunk off of for mourning?

You can join in the rounds with us :heart:

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

I think it really depends on what happens in the next couple weeks after Hillary drops out.

I've said it before, but if Obama can't unite the other half of the party that shares nearly all of his views on issues, he doesn't deserve the job.

Well, he's only partly responsible. Hillary's supporters also have to get over themselves and recognize that Obama or Hillary for four years is far better than McCain. There are a few things that make them different (experience being the biggest one), but democrats really need to get their shit together, back whoever the democratic candidate is and retake the White House.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Yeah because McCain is the natural choice for someone who supported Clinton because their policies are so alike. :roll:

 

[Rio Rebel]

Finally.

Goal #1 was getting Hillary out of the race. I would have voted third party if she had won. (I would have considered McCain even now if not for his continuation of the Bush fiasco in Iraq).

Goal #2 will be to rid the White House of the republican pseudo-conservatives and the most asinine foreign policy in history.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

I didn't say all her supporters, but moderates, yes. Obama is simply too liberal to have in there without checks and balances.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

Her supporters have every right to vote in whatever way feels right to them. You can't say for sure that Hillary and Obama are 95% the same on issues. Sure, from what he says you'd get that impression but everything about him is fake and there's no real history to look at, so what can you really believe?

I've believed he was a manufactured candidate, being pushed by the far left, from the begining. Everything about him was manufactured, all the way to when he gives his acceptance speech. Which will be on Aug 28, 2008, the 45th anniversary of the MLK, I have a Dream, speech. Just a coincidence, huh?

Clinton supporters need to follow their own feelings and send the message that feels right. If that is voting for Obama, McCain, or just sitting it out, it's their choice. The far right and the far left both need to get the message that the government is ours. Stop trying to push a partisan agenda on us.

 

[mshan]

She may just officially suspend her campaign tomorrow.

I remember someone on tv saying that this way, she can continue to fundraise to pay off her debts till the Democratic convention.

Plus, if something happens to Obama, she can jump right back in.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Anyone who supports the Bushwhackos criminal war in Iraq and disastrous economic and social polices, here, is no moderate.

mod·er·ate

1. Avoiding extremes of behavior or expression.

2. Observing reasonable limits.

3. Calm, temperate.

4. Professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme.

5. Tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension; having average or less than average quality; mediocre.

Of those definitions, only the last fits McSame.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

Not much of a student of American politics are you? Her "tactics" were mild compared to other primary contenders in both parties in recent and in less recent history, yet is almost ALL cases, once the nomination was won, the candidates closed ranks, let bygones be byones as just being, you know, politics, and soldiered on.

Daddy Bush called would be nominee Reagan's economic plans "Voodoo Economics", yet happily supported them once Reagan, obviously bitterly upset at being so slandered, chose him as his running mate.

Obama has already started publically praising Clinton. And Hillary and Bill Clinton will work long and hard and sincerely to see that he's elected.

Don't believe me? Just watch!

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

Not much of a student of American politics are you? Her "tactics" were mild compared to other primary contenders in both parties in recent and in less recent history, yet is almost ALL cases, once the nomination was won, the candidates closed ranks, let bygones be byones as just being, you know, politics, and soldiered on.

Daddy Bush called would be nominee Reagan's economic plans "Voodoo Economics", yet happily supported them once Reagan, obviously bitterly upset at being so slandered, chose him as his running mate.

Obama has already started publically praising Clinton. And Hillary and Bill Clinton will work long and hard and sincerely to see that he's elected.

Don't believe me? Just watch!

Possible but the question is does the utility of hillary outweigh the negatives? I think there are better choices for Obama out there. bill Richardson, Tim Kaine or Mark Warner, Ed Rendell maybe, and even Sebelius. Obama may feel the democratic party needs unifying. Of course, it really was a concerted effort on the part of clinton to make it appear there is a democratic split. To analogize, it's like kobe bryant getting MVP for "succeeding despite all the turmoil surrounding his team" even though he caused the turmoil himself.