The End Is Near!

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: senseamp

Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Anyone who supports the Bushwhackos criminal war in Iraq and disastrous economic and social polices, here, is no moderate.

mod·er·ate

1. Avoiding extremes of behavior or expression.

2. Observing reasonable limits.

3. Calm, temperate.

4. Professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme.

5. Tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension; having average or less than average quality; mediocre.

Of those definitions, only the last fits McSame.

Moderation is not a result of individual politicians, but checks and balances. That is why power needs to be split.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

there are lots of ticket splitters that vote for the candidate and not necessarily on matching each and every issue. Look at those Southern Democrats that survive even though their districts are much more conservative than they are. Some people vote on the candidates, their judgment and their experience even if they don't necessarily agree with them on all the issues. I believe that Obama is not ready to be President, has made numerous bad personal and political judgments and I don't personally like the man because of his condescending and elitist attitude I will not vote for him, the first time I have not voted for a Democratic candidate for President since I have been able to vote.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

Not much of a student of American politics are you? Her "tactics" were mild compared to other primary contenders in both parties in recent and in less recent history, yet is almost ALL cases, once the nomination was won, the candidates closed ranks, let bygones be byones as just being, you know, politics, and soldiered on.

Daddy Bush called would be nominee Reagan's economic plans "Voodoo Economics", yet happily supported them once Reagan, obviously bitterly upset at being so slandered, chose him as his running mate.

Obama has already started publically praising Clinton. And Hillary and Bill Clinton will work long and hard and sincerely to see that he's elected.

Don't believe me? Just watch!

Possible but the question is does the utility of hillary outweigh the negatives? I think there are better choices for Obama out there. bill Richardson, Tim Kaine or Mark Warner, Ed Rendell maybe, and even Sebelius. Obama may feel the democratic party needs unifying. Of course, it really was a concerted effort on the part of clinton to make it appear there is a democratic split. To analogize, it's like kobe bryant getting MVP for "succeeding despite all the turmoil surrounding his team" even though he caused the turmoil himself.

Oh, yeah, I'm not saying that Obama will choose Hillary as his VP. He might, but I'm not predicting that. I'm just saying, well . . . everything I did say.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: jman19
Yep it looks like she will finally throw in the towel.

What will be interesting now is how Obama and other members of the party will respond to her after her campaign tactics.

Not much of a student of American politics are you? Her "tactics" were mild compared to other primary contenders in both parties in recent and in less recent history, yet is almost ALL cases, once the nomination was won, the candidates closed ranks, let bygones be byones as just being, you know, politics, and soldiered on.

Daddy Bush called would be nominee Reagan's economic plans "Voodoo Economics", yet happily supported them once Reagan, obviously bitterly upset at being so slandered, chose him as his running mate.

Obama has already started publically praising Clinton. And Hillary and Bill Clinton will work long and hard and sincerely to see that he's elected.

Don't believe me? Just watch!

Nevermind history, but I don't remember seeing a candidate soldier on in face of these kinds of odds in quite some time. History doesn't really matter to a voter if he or she isn't aware of it. It's not like I'm attacking Hillary here

Anyway, the reason I brought this up is exactly due to statements from Obama and people like Daschle. It seems like lots of people here think Hillary is out of her mind, that she and Obama hate each other too much, etc. yet everything I've heard makes it sound like he'd have to consider her for the VP nod.

 

[SP33Demon]

It's about time - at least she won't make a fool of herself anymore.

 

[mflacy]

I love all the takes on her speech tomorrow:

Hillbots: She's going to rally the superdelegates and declare victory!
Obamites: She's finally conceding! Time for Change!
CNN: She's joining Obama in a unity ticket!
MSNBC: Can't say for sure, but she needs 167% of the remaining delegates to win. Chucky T says so.
FOX News: She's challenging the FL & MI results and taking this bloodbath to the convention. Huzzah for McCain!

 

[nageov3t]

MSNBC: There's a thrill running up my leg!

fixed

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: RY62
Her supporters have every right to vote in whatever way feels right to them. You can't say for sure that Hillary and Obama are 95% the same on issues. Sure, from what he says you'd get that impression but everything about him is fake and there's no real history to look at, so what can you really believe?

I've believed he was a manufactured candidate, being pushed by the far left, from the begining. Everything about him was manufactured, all the way to when he gives his acceptance speech. Which will be on Aug 28, 2008, the 45th anniversary of the MLK, I have a Dream, speech. Just a coincidence, huh?

Clinton supporters need to follow their own feelings and send the message that feels right. If that is voting for Obama, McCain, or just sitting it out, it's their choice. The far right and the far left both need to get the message that the government is ours. Stop trying to push a partisan agenda on us.

WTF are you talking about? Hillary and Obama have both stated that they are very close on the issues. No history? You talk like Hillary has some vast amount of experience when she has little more time in the Senate than Obama. When you say the far left do you mean Hillary? She said in one of her speeches that she would 'fight the Republicans'.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: senseamp

Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Anyone who supports the Bushwhackos criminal war in Iraq and disastrous economic and social polices, here, is no moderate.

mod·er·ate

1. Avoiding extremes of behavior or expression.

2. Observing reasonable limits.

3. Calm, temperate.

4. Professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme.

5. Tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension; having average or less than average quality; mediocre.

Of those definitions, only the last fits McSame.

Moderation is not a result of individual politicians, but checks and balances. That is why power needs to be split.

Unless it was Hillary as the nominee. :roll: You don't lie very well. :thumbsdown:

 

[mshan]

Judgement and Experience?

Just compare how Obama and Clinton have run their campaigns.

Then look at the type of advisor they have chosen to surround themselves with during this campaign.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

Yeah but Obama is black and that is actually a issue to some :roll:

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Are you saying your going to vote for McCain?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

Because Hillary lost the election, her supporters are going to throw away everything and vote for McCain? Talk about crying over spilled milk, Hillary and Obama are 95% same on the issues.

Her supporters have every right to vote in whatever way feels right to them. You can't say for sure that Hillary and Obama are 95% the same on issues. Sure, from what he says you'd get that impression but everything about him is fake and there's no real history to look at, so what can you really believe?

I've believed he was a manufactured candidate, being pushed by the far left, from the begining. Everything about him was manufactured, all the way to when he gives his acceptance speech. Which will be on Aug 28, 2008, the 45th anniversary of the MLK, I have a Dream, speech. Just a coincidence, huh?

Clinton supporters need to follow their own feelings and send the message that feels right. If that is voting for Obama, McCain, or just sitting it out, it's their choice. The far right and the far left both need to get the message that the government is ours. Stop trying to push a partisan agenda on us.

I don't think anyone is arguing that HRC supporters aren't free to choose to vote for McCain. I think people are questioning their intelligence if in fact they choose to vote for McCain out of spite because HRC isn't the D candidate.

Especially since HRC and BHO are very similar in platforms.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

All two of you?

More polls from today; again, McCain's position rings hollow with the American people. This time on foreign policy, Gallup shows that a majority of Democrats and Independents, plus roughly half of Republicans agree with Obama's position of holding diplomatic talks with unfriendly leaders.

Just like the gas tax holiday and the GI Bill, McCain loses again with the liberals, moderates, and a good portion of his own constituency.

There is a pattern emerging with McCain. Anytime someone speaks about him or his policies, the talk goes like this:

"John McCain is a war hero, but he's also a pathetic piece of shit."

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Moderation is not a result of individual politicians, but checks and balances. That is why power needs to be split.

I'm confused... So if Clinton got the nomination, it was ok to have one party rule. But if Obama gets it, then power needs to be split... Why did you not support McCain from the outset, if that's the issue now driving you toward him?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

"John McCain is a war hero, but he's also a pathetic piece of shit."

Wow, what great moderators we have around here. :roll:

Two weeks for directly calling out a mod.
Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

 

[lupi]

As of tomorrow McCain picks up a lot of GE votes it seems.

 

[Caminetto]

Looks like the Hildabeast will be in Obama's cabinet or taking the lead on health care reform.

Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bummer, well, she stuck it out and let the people have a choice, which is good.
Now it's time for moderates to rally behind McCain.

All two of you?

You can make that 3 of us

 

[Jhhnn]

How lame, senseamp. Bush and the repub congress used 9/11 and an economic downturn to make a hard right, and slap the pedal to the metal. We've moved very far right in terms of policy and implementation of it. And now, you think, is the time to freeze things in place with a division of power?

Do you like where we're at? Do you think we should keep things the way they are?

Your POV makes sense only if you're trying to establish a rearguard action for the Repubs, rather than to move things back the other way, achieve some real balance by splitting power over time, something we might be able to accomplish with dems in control of both the executive and legislative branches...

Even as you claim to be a Dem, you spout Repub talking points, leaving me wondering whether to doubt your rationality, sincerity, or both.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: loki8481
she and bill are major fund-raisers and she's going back into the senate having had 49% of democrats nationwide vote for her.

I think they'll respond to her just fine.

She had 18,000,000 or so people vote for her.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: loki8481
she and bill are major fund-raisers and she's going back into the senate having had 49% of democrats nationwide vote for her.

I think they'll respond to her just fine.

She had 18,000,000 or so people vote for her.

which rounds out to about 48% of the vote?

 

[GoingUp]

Sorry to rain on your parade....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...n.democrats/index.html

Sen. Hillary Clinton's is "absolutely not" prepared to concede the race for the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, her campaign chairman said.

1 of 2 Terry McAuliffe rejected as "100 percent" incorrect an Associated Press report that Clinton is preparing to acknowledge that Obama has the delegates to win the nomination Tuesday night as the five-month Democratic primary process comes to a close.