The Derek Chauvin / George Floyd Trial

[hal2kilo]

Lot's of pics, videos and eye witnesses for the public to make a decision. I guess some people will decide based on media reports. People who watch fox news, newsmax, oann, etc. have already made their minds up that Floyd was a bad dude and had it coming. It was his fault that the cops murdered him. "Mainstream media" watchers on the other hand probably think the cops are guilty. We report, you decide...

You need to say to yourself, being high, passing a $20 counterfeit bill, plus resisting is a legitimate reason to kill someone.

 

[HumblePie]

Hm.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

Could you be so kind as to point out the Marxism to me?

Not going to find what was deleted. Here let me fix that link for you to the previous "What we Believe" page they had.

What We Believe - Black Lives Matter

Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was?

captainsquartersblog.com

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work ‘double shifts’ so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

The Agenda of Black Lives Matter Is Far Different From the Slogan

Many see the slogan Black Lives Matter as a plea to secure the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all Americans, especially historically wronged African Americans. They add the BLM hashtag to their social-media profiles, carry BLM signs at protests, and make financial...

www.heritage.org

BLM leader: If change doesn’t happen, then ‘we will burn down this system’

The president of Greater New York Black Lives Matter said that if the movement fails to achieve meaningful change during nationwide protests over George Floyd’s killing by Minneapolis police …

nypost.com

BLM leaders Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal TometiIn a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.” That same year, Tometi was hobnobbing with Venezuela’s Marxist dictator Nicolás Maduro, of whose regime she wrote: “In these last 17 years, we have witnessed the Bolivarian Revolution champion participatory democracy and construct a fair, transparent election system recognized as among the best in the world.”

A partner organization, the Movement for Black Lives, or M4BL, calls for abolishing all police and all prisons. It also calls for a “progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state and federal levels to ensure a radical and sustainable redistribution of wealth.”

Another M4BL demand is “the retroactive decriminalization, immediate release and record expungement of all drug-related offenses and prostitution and reparations for the devastating impact of the ‘war on drugs’ and criminalization of prostitution.”

 

[brycejones]

Read the organization's principles. I will never accept any form of Marxist trained agents as benevolent or beneficial.
Trained Marxists never provide what they p

Can you link to the specific BLM organization you are referring to and their principles and how they are Marxist?

 

[nakedfrog]

Not going to find what was deleted. Here let me fix that link for you to the previous "What we Believe" page they had.

What We Believe - Black Lives Matter

Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was?

captainsquartersblog.com

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work ‘double shifts’ so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

Where is the Marxism there, once more?

I've ignored the links from heritage.org and nypost.com because... I mean, do I really have to say why?

 

[HumblePie]

Where is the Marxism there, once more?

I've ignored the links from heritage.org and nypost.com because... I mean, do I really have to say why?

I quoted those to you. If you don't understand how those are Marxism I don't understand how I could explain it in a way that you would understand. You may need to actually read what Marxism is and why those statements are Marxist. It is full left-wing ideology. If you are truly wanting to learn this you can PM me. Otherwise, too many here are just trying to score points and play dumb.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not going by anyone's interpretation. This is the charter from the organization themselves. Someone tell me which one of these positions is problematic. Which one?

We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.


We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.


We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.


We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.


The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

 

[Paratus]

I quoted those to you. If you don't understand how those are Marxism I don't understand how I could explain it in a way that you would understand. You may need to actually read what Marxism is and why those statements are Marxist. It is full left-wing ideology. If you are truly wanting to learn this you can PM me. Otherwise, too many here are just trying to score points and play dumb.

TL/DR
HP doesn’t know what Marxism is doesn’t want anyone to know he doesn’t know. But we all know.

 

[dank69]

TL/DR
HP doesn’t know what Marxism is doesn’t want anyone to know he doesn’t know. But we all know.

And still doesn't know how to vet sources.

 

[woolfe9998]

And still doesn't know how to vet sources.

And doesn't appear to understand that just because two of the founders described themselves as "Marxists" - which can mean more than one thing anyway - doesn't mean the organization itself is Marxist.

Examining whether Black Lives Matter is a Marxist movement

Backlash against Black Lives Matter includes branding it as Marxist. The attack has been made in recent weeks by Rudy Gi

www.politifact.com

 

[Vic]

I quoted those to you. If you don't understand how those are Marxism I don't understand how I could explain it in a way that you would understand. You may need to actually read what Marxism is and why those statements are Marxist. It is full left-wing ideology. If you are truly wanting to learn this you can PM me. Otherwise, too many here are just trying to score points and play dumb.

I realize that right-wing propaganda may have led you to believe otherwise, but the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the laws is not Marxism.

 

[MrSquished]

Righties just fling about words like marxist and socialist because their uneducated base is too dumb to actually do the research and learn what is really going on.

 

[Vic]

TL/DR
HP doesn’t know what Marxism is doesn’t want anyone to know he doesn’t know. But we all know.

The right-wing "Free Speech Warrior" sees speech he disagrees with and reacts instinctively by labeling it as a dire threat to American freedom so that he can justify his attempts to have it silenced.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm not going by anyone's interpretation. This is the charter from the organization themselves. Someone tell me which one of these positions is problematic. Which one?

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

Indeed. Let me know when BLM actively calls for the government takeover of all corporations and creation of a total command economy. Until then, stfu.

 

[HumblePie]

I realize that right-wing propaganda may have led you to believe otherwise, but the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the laws is not Marxism.

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

... passing Medicare for All is a racial justice issue

Profit-driven health care systems have no place in society.

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism. The removal of a profit in the health care industry, or any industry, is again Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction. Of which is the company that pushed in Oakland, as they are based there, for the whole new $500 UBI for all non-whites there through the mayor. Wealth redistribution is again Marxism.

 

[dank69]

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction.

Creating a just society? That sounds horrible!

 

[Moonbeam]

Racism is one of the ways people who hate themselves, most all the human race, and especially when they have a bad case of it, protect themselves from conscious awareness of how bad they feel by pretending to actually be a member of some superior race. If that happens to be any other color of people other than black, say many white people in America who imagine themselves especially entitled, the reaction to hearing that Black Lives Matter translates for them to the threatening message that being white must therefore make one worthless. People who hate themselves can't avoid being triggered that way.

 

[JD50]

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism. The removal of a profit in the health care industry, or any industry, is again Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction. Of which is the company that pushed in Oakland, as they are based there, for the whole new $500 UBI for all non-whites there through the mayor. Wealth redistribution is again Marxism.

lordy

 

[HumblePie]

Creating a just society? That sounds horrible!

Never said it was horrible. You seem to be projecting. Maybe I am all for them? Maybe I love Marxism? You are the one making assumptions here. I was pointing out how at their roots and actions the organization is one based on Marxism. I never said one thing or another of if that is bad or not. Stop being a prick.

 

[woolfe9998]

So prosecution and defense agree that it wasn't the infamous 8 minutes, 49 seconds that they kneeled on Floyd, but actually it was 9 minutes, 29 seconds?

Former officer knelt on George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds -- not the infamous 8:46 | CNN

Former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin knelt on George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds, prosecutors said Monday, correcting the 8:46 timing that has become a symbol of police brutality.

www.cnn.com

News to me.

 

[HumblePie]

So prosecution and defense agree that it wasn't the infamous 8 minutes, 49 seconds that they kneeled on Floyd, but actually it was 9 minutes, 29 seconds?

Former officer knelt on George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds -- not the infamous 8:46 | CNN

Former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin knelt on George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds, prosecutors said Monday, correcting the 8:46 timing that has become a symbol of police brutality.

www.cnn.com

News to me.

It is a weird technicality that doesn't make a difference in the case. Chauvin had his knee on before Floyd died, while Floyd died, and after he died. Really all that matters.

 

[dank69]

Never said it was horrible. You seem to be projecting. Maybe I am all for them? Maybe I love Marxism? You are the one making assumptions here. I was pointing out how at their roots and actions the organization is one based on Marxism. I never said one thing or another of if that is bad or not. Stop being a prick.

You seem defensive. Where did I say you said it was horrible, for example. I never said that.

 

[woolfe9998]

It is a weird technicality that doesn't make a difference in the case. Chauvin had his knee on before Floyd died, while Floyd died, and after he died. Really all that matters.

I never said it made a difference in the case. I thought it interesting because the 8 minutes, 42 seconds has been repeated so often and it turned out to be incorrect.

 

[HomerJS]

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism. The removal of a profit in the health care industry, or any industry, is again Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction. Of which is the company that pushed in Oakland, as they are based there, for the whole new $500 UBI for all non-whites there through the mayor. Wealth redistribution is again Marxism.

AGAIN, by BLM's own charter which one of their positions is problematic?

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

They have a donate button on their website to fight disinformation. Try using it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism. The removal of a profit in the health care industry, or any industry, is again Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction. Of which is the company that pushed in Oakland, as they are based there, for the whole new $500 UBI for all non-whites there through the mayor. Wealth redistribution is again Marxism.

Imagine that you were in hell and the door to heaven has socialism written on it. Now imagine the hell you were in was the product of a concept of individualism you had been taught to regard as sacred and that the enemy of that sacred belief was that very socialism that could free you from your prison. Can you see that in such a prison you would never be able to escape because your worst enemy was your only real friend? Every time escape was offered you, you would react with panic and fear and hatred of the only way you could ever escape. Your only hope would be to die to everything you believe, to remember how you were made to suffer as a child having at it's very heart the desire for socialism. All socialism is is the love we feel for God and the love he feels for us, the thing you are terrified to feel. The very last time you felt real love you were killed. I'm so sorry but we all went through it. The truth is always 180 degrees from where we know how to look. No exist is possible until you realize there is none you can possibly imagine.

 

[Vic]

Equal protection under the law isn't Marxism. However, calling for the breaking of the nuclear family for making "extended" families of making communities responsible for raising children is one Marxist idea. It literally is. Welfare as a whole as well as social programs are Marxist by nature. Forcing someone, either directly or indirectly, to provide for another to make them "equal" is the corner stone of Marxism.

Abolishing prisons, police, and calling for a "sustainable" redistribution of wealth is also all Marxism. The ideas of equity and not equality of opportunity is Marxism as well. Which is left-wing ideology. Marxism is a means to realize left-wing ideology. It is a codified solution to that goal. It uses the bridge of inequity as a leverage to spread its ideas. Inequity doesn't just mean through socio-economic differences, although that is one of the linchpins of the ideas. Perceived, whether real or not, of inequity of any social class can be used which includes racial distinctions.

Yet another example is trying to pass medicare for all. That is socialism. But they make it a "racial justice issue"

https://blacklivesmatter.com/sign-the-petition-pass-medicare-for-all/

The idea of racial justice, aka the defining of the oppressor class that needs to be overcome by the oppressed is Marxism. The removal of a profit in the health care industry, or any industry, is again Marxism.

Thousand Currents, which underwrite BLM, said their goal with BLM was to create "equitable and just societies" which is straight out of the the Marxist playbook. Just by what measure? Just by equity. That isn't a call for equal justice that is a call for equitable and just. It is a difference with a distinction. Of which is the company that pushed in Oakland, as they are based there, for the whole new $500 UBI for all non-whites there through the mayor. Wealth redistribution is again Marxism.

So can I assume that you can provide quotes from Marx supporting each and every talking point where you said "this is Marxism?"

Also, given your history here of selectively criticizing minorities, and (for example) voicing support for extrajudicial execution of minorities for the commission of even the pettiest of crimes, while siding with whites who commit crimes (such as felony brandishment), I find it extremely hard to believe that you are in favor of equality of opportunity. In fact, if I were able to believe for just one second that you supported equal opportunity, we wouldn't be having this discussion.