The Democratic Party Continues to Ignore Reality

[Moonbeam]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...to-ignore-reality_us_5906049fe4b03b105b44b983

What will it take for Democrats to wake. Looks like by digging their own grave.

Any liberals seeing the need for party revolution? Are we there yet, or is the CBD taken hold of liberals too?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I see Trump has brainwashed Huffington post too. The Dems are perfect in their perceptions. Just ask them.

 

[JSt0rm]

I think Bernie will run in2020 and stomp trump. I think he will run as a dem and will step into a world with a lot of dems in congress and the senate.

 

[Sonikku]

Bernie may have been the candidate we needed for 16, but probably not for 2020. He's just too old. He'd be ancient by 2028.

 

[ivwshane]

If Bernie runs I'll vote for trump just out of spite. Or maybe I'll vote for trump since he's accomplished so much more than Bernie. Then again I might just vote third party as a fuck you to the establishment. 30+ years as a politician just reeks of corruption and beholden to big donors.

 

[Moonbeam]

If Bernie runs I'll vote for trump just out of spite. Or maybe I'll vote for trump since he's accomplished so much more than Bernie. Then again I might just vote third party as a fuck you to the establishment. 30+ years as a politician just reeks of corruption and beholden to big donors.

Gosh, when you fuck up you sure get bitter. The idea is to grow and evolve, not flop on the floor kicking and screaming. It is good, however, to get that out of your system. I will help> You are the reason Trump won. Just remember though, you won't make me mad because I know you couldn't help it.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm convinced by an editorial piece by an MA student.

Anyone who is arguing that we should follow what Bernie Sanders says because he is the most popular politician in the country needs to explain why the same wasn't true about Clinton in 2010 through 2015.

These people are so goddamn stupid.

 

[FelixDeCat]

If the Democrats would just get with the program and help Trump MAGA, they would be far better off. Instead they choose the roll of obstruction and self defeat.

 

[Jaskalas]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-delivered-one-thing-100-days-disappointment

^I'll re-post it here, in contribution. The regressive, corporate interests have as much control over the Left as Bush styled Neocons and big money interests have on the Right. They play divide and conquer to seize the field, but ultimately they keep control no matter who is elected from the bought and paid for catalog.

Nancy Pelosi Feels the Bern

asked if the Democratic Party would embrace Sanders’ populist message: “Well, I thank you for your question, but I have to say we’re capitalists—that’s just the way it is.”

That explains so much over the past 8 years, and why, exactly, Obama's hope and change died in Nov 2008. His closest "allies" were in fact Wall Street wolves ready to corrupt or dispose of him. They did the former with all the entrenched power they wield. Obama soon learned how powerless he was as President, and how even a Democrat victory meant corporate victory.

As a progressive, who needs enemies when you have friends like the DNC?
The !@#$ing Congressional LEADER thinks safety nets are not Capitalist. Mind = Blown.

 

[ivwshane]

Gosh, when you fuck up you sure get bitter. The idea is to grow and evolve, not flop on the floor kicking and screaming. It is good, however, to get that out of your system. I will help> You are the reason Trump won. Just remember though, you won't make me mad because I know you couldn't help it.

Lol. I'm glad you've come to your senses because my post was to mirror your behavior this past election. Next time you go screaming that a radical revolution needs to take place by the people, I'll remind you of your post.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm convinced by an editorial piece by an MA student.

Anyone who is arguing that we should follow what Bernie Sanders says because he is the most popular politician in the country needs to explain why the same wasn't true about Clinton in 2010 through 2015.

These people are so goddamn stupid.

Two points I agree with. First off, the writer doesn't seem to have much direct experience or authority on his subject, and doesn't even seem to have very good writing style. Fine.

Second, we shouldn't follow what Sanders says because he's the most popular politician in the country. Even bad leaders like Clinton can be very popular. I do think you can make the argument that his popularity should earn his ideas a seat at the table in serious political discourse. And that's part of the problem, isn't it? You rightly criticize the author here, but there are plenty of good leftist writers and thinkers like Matt Bruenig that are not given any kind of a national platform while chuds like Bret Stephens get jobs. Why is that? Why is it that the editorial board of the New York Times has nothing but neoliberals and neoconservatives?

As far as Sanders goes, Eoin Higgins put it well: In the last two weeks Sanders has called for regime change in Syria, praised Trump's North Korea policy, defended Ann Coulter, and cosigned a letter criticizing the U.N.'s "mistreatment" of Israel and BDS. So despite his popularity, he's not that good at all. I think he's most useful in showing how much more people respond to a message that's even slightly to the left of the Pelosi/Schumer corporate liberalism that's failed this country horribly.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm still mad about them screwing him over in favor of Hillary. ESPECIALLY since she ended up losing anyway. Jerkasses!

 

[Jaskalas]

As far as Sanders goes, Eoin Higgins put it well: In the last two weeks Sanders has called for regime change in Syria

Sounds like Eoin Higgins put it as a lie.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/16/politics/bernie-sanders-syria-strike-cnntv/

The US must not get involved in "perpetual warfare in the Middle East," Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday in explaining why he was one of the few senators to oppose the recent US missile strike on Syria.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sounds like Eoin Higgins put it as a lie.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/16/politics/bernie-sanders-syria-strike-cnntv/

They will try and pull him down. Low info people will think he is s blood thirsty communist he'll ent on making them black gay men.

 

[FIVR]

I know I learned my lesson and will only vote for white men from now. Even Older White Man Bernie 2020 or bust. Thanks for the reminder OP, IIRC you were a Trump voter but I'm sure Bernie was your second pic. Too bad the democrats had to sell out to women and progress.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm convinced by an editorial piece by an MA student.

Anyone who is arguing that we should follow what Bernie Sanders says because he is the most popular politician in the country needs to explain why the same wasn't true about Clinton in 2010 through 2015.

These people are so goddamn stupid.

I'm not sure why you are framing the issue as 'following because popular'. I see the issue as changing the direction, tone, and focus of the Democratic party away from a corporate holding, to a party that represents the will of the people who are, in my opinion, going crazy because they have no say in the political system. I want the party to focus on the fact that people feel democracy no longer works for the them and they are willing to burn it down rather than go with system politicians. I would also like them to win elections and they never will with the liberal brain defect running the show.

 

[Blackjack200]

Sounds like Eoin Higgins put it as a lie.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/16/politics/bernie-sanders-syria-strike-cnntv/

Uhh, it's right in that article: "Assad has to go"

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol. I'm glad you've come to your senses because my post was to mirror your behavior this past election. Next time you go screaming that a radical revolution needs to take place by the people, I'll remind you of your post.

Gosh, you seem to lose the capacity to reason when you're feeling guilty about electing Trump. The country needs a radical revolution because democracy is dead. These are just facts. By calling for a radical solution because only a radical solution will work does not mean that I am somehow burning with imaginary radical fervor or that I am a radical. It means I am telling you what I think we need. All the emotion is on your side because you're hearing something that brings your fears to the fore. Guilt, really. You elected Trump and I warned you that a vote for Clinton would likely be a vote for Trump. I warned you about the LBD, that intellectually superior snobbery and arrogance that makes you see conservatives as stupid.

Pride, says we must never get off our high white horse and campaign to get the vote of the degenerates. Must better to hand them power. I could see calling that stupid if I didn't know you can't help yourself.

Perhaps for you ideas like the CBD and the LBD are things you understand intellectually, but I understand them because I am aware of how they make me feel. The only way that your feelings don't express as your unconscious motivation is when you know what they are and where they come from. Then you can laugh at the machine in which you have your being and know what an utter joke we are. No fool who knows he's a fool takes himself seriously. You remind me and I'll remind you.

 

[trenchfoot]

Let the young ones sort it out. They're going to own it in a few years and it seems to me that they've had their eyes wide open and have been very observant of how the Repubs have managed to rake in the wins yet consistently work against the welfare of the working class folks that put them in office. They are much more tuned in and aware of the political process and what affects the climate that they have to deal with and live in, as they are much more comfortable with emerging technologies and the use of the internet to gather the information they need to make intelligent reasoned decisions. They've watched how Trump won his presidency based on hyped up GOP propaganda, reneged promises and lies with no end in sight. They'll keep this in mind and not ever forget it, especially when they're in the voting booths.

A freshened perspective is always a good thing, and the Information Age brings knowledge that, for now, cannot be as easily repressed and distorted as with owning a newspaper, or a news network. All it takes is for them to hone the acquired skill of separating the bullshit from the facts of the matter. In this regard, it works against the interests of the GOP in no small way.

The young ones see their futures much more clearly than their elders have, and thus have a much better chance at making the necessary changes to the establishment in order to give themselves a better chance at the prosperity and opportunities that have been denied their working class elders.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let the young ones sort it out. They're going to own it in a few years and it seems to me that they've had their eyes wide open and have been very observant of how the Repubs have managed to rake in the wins yet consistently work against the welfare of the working class folks that put them in office. They are much more tuned in and aware of the political process and what affects the climate that they have to deal with and live in, as they are much more comfortable with emerging technologies and the use of the internet to gather the information they need to make intelligent reasoned decisions. They've watched how Trump won his presidency based on hyped up GOP propaganda, reneged promises and lies with no end in sight. They'll keep this in mind and not ever forget it, especially when they're in the voting booths.

A freshened perspective is always a good thing, and the Information Age brings knowledge that, for now, cannot be as easily repressed and distorted as with owning a newspaper, or a news network. All it takes is for them to hone the acquired skill of separating the bullshit from the facts of the matter. In this regard, it works against the interests of the GOP in no small way.

The young ones see their futures much more clearly than their elders have, and thus have a much better chance at making the necessary changes to the establishment in order to give themselves a better chance at the prosperity and opportunities that have been denied their working class elders.

Time will tell but every generation is superior to the last in its own mind then when it's time for the next they act the same.

 

[theeedude]

I think the current Democratic party strikes the right balance between encouraging business activity (which pays for the social programs) while at the same time taxing and regulating business and taking care of the people who fall through the cracks. And also avoiding expensive military entanglements that are detrimental to US security. In general, Democrats (when they are not obstructed) are pretty much spot on where it comes to balance. Bernie Sanders, while an important voice, is outside the Democratic party mainstream. He is an ideologue while the party overall is pretty pragmatic, which is why it is so good at governing. People bash the Clintons, but what did Clinton do from 1993-1994, when he had a Democrat Congress? Raise taxes on the rich and try to pass universal single payer health insurance. Not all that different from what Bernie would have done. But if you are a Bernie or Bust type of guy, enjoy the Bust.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think the current Democratic party strikes the right balance between encouraging business activity (which pays for the social programs) while at the same time taxing and regulating business and taking care of the people who fall through the cracks. And also avoiding expensive military entanglements that are detrimental to US security. In general, Democrats (when they are not obstructed) are pretty much spot on where it comes to balance. Bernie Sanders, while an important voice, is outside the Democratic party mainstream. He is an ideologue while the party overall is pretty pragmatic, which is why it is so good at governing. People bash the Clintons, but what did Clinton do from 1993-1994, when he had a Democrat Congress? Raise taxes on the rich and try to pass universal single payer health insurance. Not all that different from what Bernie would have done. But if you are a Bernie or Bust type of guy, enjoy the Bust.

Well that's all nice and such but the DNC is about being self serving. It's closed doors, cigars and a good port, going against its stated position on impartiality. But it's all about power, not the public. Talking loud about what they want to be seen as doing and profit for not doing anything unapproved by Hillary's masters. I'm thinking that should stop.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think the current Democratic party strikes the right balance between encouraging business activity (which pays for the social programs) while at the same time taxing and regulating business and taking care of the people who fall through the cracks. And also avoiding expensive military entanglements that are detrimental to US security. In general, Democrats (when they are not obstructed) are pretty much spot on where it comes to balance. Bernie Sanders, while an important voice, is outside the Democratic party mainstream. He is an ideologue while the party overall is pretty pragmatic, which is why it is so good at governing. People bash the Clintons, but what did Clinton do from 1993-1994, when he had a Democrat Congress? Raise taxes on the rich and try to pass universal single payer health insurance. Not all that different from what Bernie would have done. But if you are a Bernie or Bust type of guy, enjoy the Bust.

He also did this
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake

And this
http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/12/ho...orm-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-biases/

 

[dank69]

A Washington Post-ABC news poll released this week found that 67% of Americans are ignorant blockheads drunk on misinformation.

100% of dank69s polled agree that America does not deserve to be rescued by the Democrats again.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well that's all nice and such but the DNC is about being self serving. It's closed doors, cigars and a good port, going against its stated position on impartiality. But it's all about power, not the public. Talking loud about what they want to be seen as doing and profit for not doing anything unapproved by Hillary's masters. I'm thinking that should stop.

So, are you a Democrat or just a concern troll?