The Democratic Party Continues to Ignore Reality

[soulcougher73]

I think the dems are not progressive enough for actual liberals and needs to change its platform or a new party break off from the current dems.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm convinced by an editorial piece by an MA student.

Anyone who is arguing that we should follow what Bernie Sanders says because he is the most popular politician in the country needs to explain why the same wasn't true about Clinton in 2010 through 2015.

These people are so goddamn stupid.

I think people are figuring out the party was pushing Clinton (duh). I dont think the actual people gave two shits about her. I know i never did.

 

[ivwshane]

I think people are figuring out the party was pushing Clinton (duh). I dont think the actual people gave two shits about her. I know i never did.

Did the party also force people to vote for Clinton? What specific actions did the party take that could have impacted the outcome of the primary?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So, are you a Democrat or just a concern troll?

Neither, but thanks for playing! If partisans had no major influence you could all stare in the mirror all day thinking how good you look, but you want everyone to agree. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

 

[fskimospy]

I think people are figuring out the party was pushing Clinton (duh). I dont think the actual people gave two shits about her. I know i never did.

She won fair and square by a pretty large margin. If people want to push the Democratic Party in a more progressive direction I'm all for that, but let's not try and rewrite history here. There was no way Sanders was going to win the Democratic primary and the idea that Sanders's popularity now means anything as compared to what his popularity would have been in the general election are in a fantasy world.

 

[Genx87]

Did the party also force people to vote for Clinton? What specific actions did the party take that could have impacted the outcome of the primary?

Drop the Superdelegates. Would it have handed Sanders a win? Probably not. Would it have made the race closer? Absolutely. Having people above the plebs handing out votes before voting even started is a great display of cronyism. It also tells the avg democrat voter they have a vote. But we don't trust you to make the right decision so we have party insiders that will sway the election how we deem fit.

Then tack on the DNC working against Sanders and I can understand why progressive democrats are fed up with the party. They are being shit on like Ron Paul supporters were in 2008 and 2012.

 

[Jhhnn]

Neither, but thanks for playing! If partisans had no major influence you could all stare in the mirror all day thinking how good you look, but you want everyone to agree. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

So you're just here to tear down the Dirty Democrats & sow dissension, right?

Classic concern trolling.

 

[Genx87]

So you're just here to tear down the Dirty Democrats & sow dissension, right?

Classic concern trolling.

Yes yes a lone poster on Anandtech is sowing the seeds of dissension. Not the action of the party lol

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the dems are not progressive enough for actual liberals and needs to change its platform or a new party break off from the current dems.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...01687974517_story.html?utm_term=.13f9a8294754

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes yes a lone poster on Anandtech is sowing the seeds of dissension. Not the action of the party lol

You're doing your part.

 

[dank69]

Yes yes a lone poster on Anandtech is sowing the seeds of dissension. Not the action of the party lol

Democrats don't even have to do anything. What really matters is what the internet says the Democrats are doing and what the Democrats really care about, because if it is on the internet it must be true. I thought I cared about stopping terrible GOP policy but I found out what I really care about is oppressing straight white men, grabbing guns and wasting money.

 

[soulcougher73]

Did the party also force people to vote for Clinton? What specific actions did the party take that could have impacted the outcome of the primary?

No, but given that people are stupid and the party used the media to push "their" candidate and almost complete ignore Sanders for example. It's obvious who the established party favored. I just think the DEM party is getting out of touch with actual liberals. They are not liberal/progressive enough in my opinion.

 

[Genx87]

You're doing your part.

You have me figured out.

 

[Indus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KivKpMRK8r8

& for bernie lovers..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naAMNz59ijc


The thing that pissed me off was that I was a registered independent and my state wouldn't allow me to switch my registration to vote for Bernie. If we truly had open primarys I wouldn't have to hold my nose and close my eyes to vote for Hildabeast.

 

[fskimospy]

No, but given that people are stupid and the party used the media to push "their" candidate and almost complete ignore Sanders for example. It's obvious who the established party favored. I just think the DEM party is getting out of touch with actual liberals. They are not liberal/progressive enough in my opinion.

Sanders got less coverage than Clinton because he was losing badly. The idea that the media wanted to cover Sanders more but was somehow convinced not to do so is ridiculous. They were simply more interested in the Republican primary shit show. What coverage the Democratic primary did get was strongly negative towards Clinton and very positive towards Sanders.

 

[Indus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdg4SA2zxI

 

[Jaskalas]

Sanders has called for regime change in Syria,

Uhh, it's right in that article: "Assad has to go"

...

Bernie Sanders explains opposition to Syria strike
...said the key to ousting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was to forgo unilateral action and instead convince Russia and Iran to withdraw their support for the dictator

The premise "for regime change" is completely false as far as US taking out another country is concerned. Applying pressure to Syria's card holders to make a positive change in ending the bloodshed is FAR removed from US unilaterally going in and destroying another country.

You read the article you say? Then how the hell did you skip the most important, distinguishing, feature in favor of a catch phrase with ZERO context?

 

[theeedude]

Well that's all nice and such but the DNC is about being self serving. It's closed doors, cigars and a good port, going against its stated position on impartiality. But it's all about power, not the public. Talking loud about what they want to be seen as doing and profit for not doing anything unapproved by Hillary's masters. I'm thinking that should stop.

Meaningless statement. If it's all about power, why would Democrat presidents raise taxes on the rich and do health care reforms? Clinton won in the primary because she got more votes, not because of cigars and port. Not that cigars and port have done too bad nominating Democrat presidents in the old days. FDR and JFK.

 

[theeedude]

He also did this
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake

And this
http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/12/ho...orm-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-biases/

That's what the public demanded at that time. Even California was passing 3 strike laws in 1994. If your point is that Clinton is a politician with his ear to the public opinion, I am not denying that at all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So you're just here to tear down the Dirty Democrats & sow dissension, right?

Classic concern trolling.

How's this? Partisan hacks suck and their parties and this absurd lock on choice should be torn down and something approaching Democracy replace it.

Let me help you with definitions

"a person who disingenuously expresses concern about an issue with the intention of undermining or derailing genuine discussion.
"he is regarded among climate scientists as a concern troll"

Now let's looky here. Post is about Dems not getting it. I'm on topic and you fit the description to the tee by concern trolling in the post I just quoted trying to divert to change the topic from Dems failures.

Stop doing what you complain about.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

She won fair and square by a pretty large margin. If people want to push the Democratic Party in a more progressive direction I'm all for that, but let's not try and rewrite history here. There was no way Sanders was going to win the Democratic primary and the idea that Sanders's popularity now means anything as compared to what his popularity would have been in the general election are in a fantasy world.

Considering the DNC wasn't impartial as its charter states Bernie was always fighting an uphill battle. The dice were loaded.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

This is a parody thread, right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Democrats don't even have to do anything. What really matters is what the internet says the Democrats are doing and what the Democrats really care about, because if it is on the internet it must be true. I thought I cared about stopping terrible GOP policy but I found out what I really care about is oppressing straight white men, grabbing guns and wasting money.

God Damn it dank! Grow a pair. Our candidate didn't lose because she was about oppressing straight white men, grabbing guns or wasting money. She lost because she didn't speak effectively to straight white men that what they are angry about is economic insecurity and loss of self worth because they can't provide for their families and that she intended to do something about eliminating the grip the wealthy have on politics that have caused all that to happen. Nor do enough politicians on the left support the 2nd amendment like Sanders does. And democrats have a long way to go to figure out how to demonstrate the economic value of the money they 'throw' at the system.

When you campaign for office in a nation politically retarded people, using those terms for the sake of brevity, you have to at least spend some of your time educating the public on what are the real issues, like telling them that they have no say because the rich are pulling all the strings. You have to call for a revolution, a class war. You also have to tell the rich to step back from the trough so they aren't swarmed and devoured by crazed cannibalistic piglets. Greed and competition and the self hate that creates it is eating the nation alive.

Things aren't as bad as you fantasize they are. They're a fucking lot worse. Democracy is dead and the situation is absolutely hopeless. You can take all your anguish, grief, and morning your losses and pour them down the toilet for all the good it will do. When you come to the end of your rope, you discover one last problem, that you're clinging to the rope. Let the fuck go. The thing about free fall is that it's gravity free and in the nothing there's no ground to hit.

 

[fskimospy]

Considering the DNC wasn't impartial as its charter states Bernie was always fighting an uphill battle. The dice were loaded.

The idea that the DNC was ever going to be entirely impartial between someone who had been a part of the party for their whole lives and someone who attempted to hijack it as a convenient vehicle is kind of ridiculous anyway. I bet you if the RNC's emails were released you would see the same or worse about Trump. If anything I'm surprised it wasn't worse and what did come out was exceptionally mild. People are just looking for excuses.

There is absolutely zero evidence that the DNC's actions materially affected who won the race. Sanders never had a chance because he didn't have institutional support, didn't have a natural base of support outside of white people, and pushed bad policies that didn't add up. People need to own up to Sanders's flaws as a candidate instead of trying to convince themselves he was robbed by the nefarious DNC.

 

[Thebobo]

If the Democrats would just get with the program and help Trump MAGA, they would be far better off. Instead they choose the roll of obstruction and self defeat.

Oh oh Hypocrisy alert! ! ! ! ! opsl...

If the Republicans would just get with the program and help Obama MAGA, they would be far better off. Instead they choose the roll of obstruction and self defeat.

Also the Program seems to be destroy America and maybe they don't want to do that.