The Day After The Election: What will P&N be like?

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: AnandTech Moderator
Massive Vacations! Bwuahahahahaha:laugh:

lol. Seriously though, if Kerry wins, I'm betting the conservatives here will disappear for good. They've been quiet enough already these past couple weeks.

I doubt it. IF(hell freezes over and) kerry wins it'll just become our turn to bitch about every little thing he does, person he appoints, or whatever else can be thrown at him. Heck you guys have done a great job setting the standard here for the actions of the party that doesn't hold the Presidency. But anyway I'm not worried about that since Bush isn't going to lose

CkG

But then wouldn't you be guilty of what you so adamantly protest?

goose/gander and all that
Ofcourse it won't be quite as rabid as most of the stuff against Bush though and plus I will still respect the President and the office no matter who is elected - unlike some here and elsewhere that disrespect the President and the office.

CkG

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it won't be quite as rabid as most of the stuff against Bush though and plus I will still respect the President and the office no matter who is elected - unlike some here and elsewhere that disrespect the President and the office.

CkG

Quite a strong accusation. Back it up. Name names. Who here disrespects the office of the Presidency?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it won't be quite as rabid as most of the stuff against Bush though and plus I will still respect the President and the office no matter who is elected - unlike some here and elsewhere that disrespect the President and the office.

CkG

Quite a strong accusation. Back it up. Name names. Who here disrespects the office of the Presidency?

limited example but somewhat supportive none the less Do you see alot of respect there? Yes it doesn't exactly mean they "disrespect" but it shows there is lack of respect for it which is awful damn close and I'd be willing to bet there are some of those 56 who do disrespect the President and the office.

And there have been others here(Americans) who flat out said that Bush will never be their President no matter what.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it won't be quite as rabid as most of the stuff against Bush though and plus I will still respect the President and the office no matter who is elected - unlike some here and elsewhere that disrespect the President and the office.
CkG

Oh I don't know, I always like to think that Congressional Republicans set the nasty partisan tone during Clinton's two terms.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: AnandTech Moderator
Massive Vacations! Bwuahahahahaha:laugh:

lol. Seriously though, if Kerry wins, I'm betting the conservatives here will disappear for good. They've been quiet enough already these past couple weeks.

The reason we have been quiet is that it doesn't make a lot of sense to come here anymore. This place has become a haven for the closed minded free thinkers (figure that one out) like conjur and dmcowen674 who refuse to even listen to the other side of the story when it is backed up with facts.

What facts? All the Bush fans can do is prod out debunked "facts", blame Clinton and just otherwise rally around a feckless President and his failed administration.

 

[Gaard]

Just a mini-rant here...

Why the hell did they ever decide to hold the election on a Tuesday? Don't they realize some people have to go to work in the morning?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Just a mini-rant here...

Why the hell did they ever decide to hold the election on a Tuesday? Don't they realize some people have to go to work in the morning?

That's why polls open early and stay open until at least 6pm. You can vote on the way in, at lunch, or on the way home.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it won't be quite as rabid as most of the stuff against Bush though and plus I will still respect the President and the office no matter who is elected - unlike some here and elsewhere that disrespect the President and the office.
CkG

Oh I don't know, I always like to think that Congressional Republicans set the nasty partisan tone during Clinton's two terms.

Yes, that wasn't at all pretty, but it pales in comparison to what is being done now - it just wasn't as rabid and widespread as it is today. Just like what was done to Reagan paled in comparison to what was done to Clinton. Seems to have escalated a tad. However, IMO, things have crossed the line of decency. Not because of who is in office or what party is in power - but because it is the President we are talking about here. No matter what your ideology or party affiliation you should atleast show some respect for him and the office. I think alot of the rabidity(ie hatred/extreme dislike/however you want to sugar coat if) comes from the fringe elements of the left but it has seemingly taken over the whole party - or atleast overshadowed the "normal" left.

It'll be interesting none-the-less As much as I disliked Clinton's politics - I always respected him as my President and the President of the US - something I don't think is being done by quite a few orgs and groups at this point.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Gaard
Just a mini-rant here...

Why the hell did they ever decide to hold the election on a Tuesday? Don't they realize some people have to go to work in the morning?

That's why polls open early and stay open until at least 6pm. You can vote on the way in, at lunch, or on the way home.

No I mean it's a bitch staying up late to catch all the buzz and then having to go to work Wed morning.

 

[Gaard]

I think the president should show the same respect towards us that you say we should show towards him.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Perknose

Quite a strong accusation. Back it up. Name names. Who here disrespects the office of the Presidency?

limited example but somewhat supportive none the less Do you see alot of respect there? Yes it doesn't exactly mean they "disrespect" but it shows there is lack of respect for it which is awful damn close and I'd be willing to bet there are some of those 56 who do disrespect the President and the office.[/quote]Your "limited example" but "somewhat supportive" which "doesn't exactly mean they 'disrespect'" but "shows there is lack for it which is awful damn close" and " I'd be willing to bet there are some of those 56 who do" reply is laughably Clintonesque in it's lawerly weaselness and does not rise to the standard of an actual reply to "Back it up. Name names.", CAD.

Since that thread is the best you can do, please go through it and quote a respondant by name with his words that show "disrespect for the office of the Presidency" as oppossed to disrespect for Bush or find some better source or admit that you overreached in your accusation.

 

[XZeroII]

I predict that the winner will be showered with glory and praise and lose will be mocked and ridiculed until my throat is sore.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Your "limited example" but "somewhat supportive" which "doesn't exactly mean they 'disrespect'" but "shows there is lack for it which is awful damn close" and " I'd be willing to bet there are some of those 56 who do" reply is laughably Clintonesque in it's lawerly weaselness and does not rise to the standard of an actual reply to "Back it up. Name names.", CAD.

Since that thread is the best you can do, please go through it and quote a respondant by name with his words that show "disrespect for the office of the Presidency" as oppossed to disrespect for Bush or find some better source or admit that you overreached in your accusation.

No, it's not Clintonesque. I'm not going to play your little "name names" because you won't accept that either. There have been plenty of examples of being disrespectful of the President and the office on this forum. If you haven't seen one then you haven't been paying attention. The attitude displayed at times here towards the Presidency is shameful and entirely disrespectful. That poll thread only supports the premise that 56 people here lack respect for the office/institution of the Presidency - which is disrespect by definition.

CkG

 

[JellyBaby]

In all honesty I would love to see what would happen here should neither a R nor a D win this year. Fat chance, I'm well aware, but I'd actually pay money to see some of your reactions (or non-reactions).

Would the Ds and Rs here team up to collectively demonize the outlandish victor? Would the Is and Ls show the darker side of their nature by displaying gloat and self-centeredness beyond compare? Or, somehow, would the shock generate never-heard-of-before discussion on a higher plane? That is the end I would personally wish for, though I know it's so very unlikely.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, it's not Clintonesque.
Yes, it is. Although I guess it depends on what your defintion of "is" is. :roll:


I'm not going to play your little "name names" because you won't accept that either.
Yes I will. I promise you. Name names and attach proof in the form of quotes and let the whole forum decide. Or, you can just continue to wiggle and weasel. Lastly, CAD, backing up your accusations with verifiable proof is not a game, it is the only honorable and verifiable thing to do.


There have been plenty of examples of being disrespectful of the President and the office on this forum.
Then show us one, CAD.


If you haven't seen one then you haven't been paying attention.
Oh, I'm paying attention. That's why your currently wriggling on the hook, worm.

The attitude displayed at times here towards the Presidency is shameful and entirely disrespectful.
PROOF?!? Please provide proof!!!


That poll thread only supports the premise [:roll:] that 56 people here lack respect for the office/institution of the Presidency - which is disrespect by definition.
That poll:

how much confidence you, yourself, have in the Presidency? (Total Votes: 90)
A Great Deal
15 votes 16.67 (%)
Quite a lot
8 votes 8.89 (%)
Some
11 votes 12.22 (%)
Very little
56 votes 62.22 (%)

ONLY SHOWS that 56 people have very little confidence in the Presidency. Your ASSumption is a fundamentally DISHONEST LYING LEAP. The disrespectful actions of George Bush are the reason why.

I bet you $100, here and now, that if we ask those 56 folks whether they disrespect the office of the Presidency or just despair at how George Bush has handled it, most all will say the latter, and NEVER the former.

You have stretched the truth here, CAD. :|

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: AnandTech Moderator
Massive Vacations! Bwuahahahahaha:laugh:

lol. Seriously though, if Kerry wins, I'm betting the conservatives here will disappear for good. They've been quiet enough already these past couple weeks.

The reason we have been quiet is that it doesn't make a lot of sense to come here anymore. This place has become a haven for the closed minded free thinkers (figure that one out) like CAD and Etech who refuse to even listen to the other side of the story when it is backed up with facts. All they do is attack the facts or the source of the facts....like that somehow explains everything. Anyway....it has become like arguing with a brick wall.

Believe it or not this place was once full of serious discussion and many of the moronic posts that make it on here today would not have been allowed in the past. Why the decision was made to take some of the strict rules off this forum I will never know. It really hurt the quality of the place when those rules were lifted.

Anyway.....whoever wins in November I would hope that this place would return to a level of intelligent discussion that has been lacking for several months. I know....I know....it's a pipe dream.

Fixed your rant for you. Nice try.

Shortly after the Iraq war started and the resulting mass of posts related to it a Forum called "The War In Iraq" was created. It quickly filled with Political inuendo in addition to related posts on the War effort.

Shortly after the Fearless Liar hotdogged on the Aircraft Carrier declaring the "Mission Accomplished" and for intents and purposes the War was over, the Forum was renamed to "Politics and News".

I predict P&N will mirror exactly the way Rush was before Bush got in, a pathetic bithering idiot, he will fall so far off the high horse he is on now he will hit China the hole is so deep he has dug for himself. The same goes for the rest of the Fearless Liar supporters that reside here.

 

[alchemize]

Speaking of ignoring facts, Dave, time to check into your economy thread. You should owe me your paycheck if you weren't chicken.

 

[Gaard]

If I have no respect for President Bush does that mean I also have no respect for the presidency? If I don't respect one president, but do respect another, where do I fall in regards to respecting the presidency?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, it's not Clintonesque.
Yes, it is. Although I guess it depends on what your defintion of "is" is. :roll:


I'm not going to play your little "name names" because you won't accept that either.
Yes I will. I promise you. Name names and attach proof in the form of quotes and let the whole forum decide. Or, you can just continue to wiggle and weasel. Lastly, CAD, backing up your accusations with verifiable proof is not a game, it is the only honorable and verifiable thing to do.


There have been plenty of examples of being disrespectful of the President and the office on this forum.
Then show us one, CAD.


If you haven't seen one then you haven't been paying attention.
Oh, I'm paying attention. That's why your currently wriggling on the hook, worm.

The attitude displayed at times here towards the Presidency is shameful and entirely disrespectful.
PROOF?!? Please provide proof!!!


That poll thread only supports the premise [:roll:] that 56 people here lack respect for the office/institution of the Presidency - which is disrespect by definition.
That poll:

how much confidence you, yourself, have in the Presidency? (Total Votes: 90)
A Great Deal
15 votes 16.67 (%)
Quite a lot
8 votes 8.89 (%)
Some
11 votes 12.22 (%)
Very little
56 votes 62.22 (%)

ONLY SHOWS that 56 people have very little confidence in the Presidency. Your ASSumption is a fundamentally DISHONEST LYING LEAP. The disrespectful actions of George Bush are the reason why.

I bet you $100, here and now, that if we ask those 56 folks whether they disrespect the office of the Presidency or just despair at how George Bush has handled it, most all will say the latter, and NEVER the former.

You have stretched the truth here, CAD. :|

Still doesn't change things perk. They lack confidence in the institution(which is what the poll was about) - meaning they have no respect for it and/or have lost respect for it. Let me ask you this - how do you respect things you have no confidence in? Now lets take the MODs for example. I respect them because they have a hard job to do and I also have confidence in them even though I often disagree with them and how they handle things. But by what you seem to be saying is that someone could have no confidence in the MODs but still somehow respect them? How does one do that?


Now run along and take your "prove it" with you. "disrespect" can be an attitude - it doesn't have to be action. No one is going to outright say they "disrespect" the President or the office if called on it...except for BOBDN, a few others(i guess gaard volunteered for half of it), and possibly some of our foreign members.

CkG

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

nm

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Speaking of ignoring facts, Dave, time to check into your economy thread. You should owe me your paycheck if you weren't chicken.

Correction, check the thread, you owe me your big paycheck big time.

 

[heartsurgeon]

We will act, as always, with grace and compassion for those who have been mislead by the Democrats.

We will continue to try and educate and enlighten the youth of our country..

We will eschew rabid partisanship.

We shall accept our mandate to govern with humility.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Gaard
If I have no respect for President Bush does that mean I also have no respect for the presidency?
No.

If I don't respect one president, but do respect another, where do I fall in regards to respecting the presidency?
Logically, no conclusion can be drawn as you have not addressed your opinion about the office of the Presidency with either opinion about people who have inhabited it.

All those righties who despised Clinton when he was President would be mightly quick to tell you that they still respected the office.

This distinction is obvious to every thinking person, even CAD. He just doesn't want to admit that he was caught overreaching in his accusation.

 

[Gaard]

They lack confidence in the institution(which is what the poll was about) - meaning they have no respect for it and/or have lost respect for it.

Not even close, CAD. I have the utmost respect for the Pistons, but I have no confidence in them when it comes to playing the Lakers for the title.

This would be a great opportunity to show everyone here that we are wrong about you not ever admitting that you are wrong. The door is open, just step thru. It won't hurt.

Why am I not suprised this drivel came from her She is just another one of those people who never accept that they are wrong(or even could possibly be wrong).

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, it's not Clintonesque.
Yes, it is. Although I guess it depends on what your defintion of "is" is. :roll:


I'm not going to play your little "name names" because you won't accept that either.
Yes I will. I promise you. Name names and attach proof in the form of quotes and let the whole forum decide. Or, you can just continue to wiggle and weasel. Lastly, CAD, backing up your accusations with verifiable proof is not a game, it is the only honorable and verifiable thing to do.


There have been plenty of examples of being disrespectful of the President and the office on this forum.
Then show us one, CAD.


If you haven't seen one then you haven't been paying attention.
Oh, I'm paying attention. That's why your currently wriggling on the hook, worm.

The attitude displayed at times here towards the Presidency is shameful and entirely disrespectful.
PROOF?!? Please provide proof!!!


That poll thread only supports the premise [:roll:] that 56 people here lack respect for the office/institution of the Presidency - which is disrespect by definition.
That poll:

how much confidence you, yourself, have in the Presidency? (Total Votes: 90)
A Great Deal
15 votes 16.67 (%)
Quite a lot
8 votes 8.89 (%)
Some
11 votes 12.22 (%)
Very little
56 votes 62.22 (%)

ONLY SHOWS that 56 people have very little confidence in the Presidency. Your ASSumption is a fundamentally DISHONEST LYING LEAP. The disrespectful actions of George Bush are the reason why.

I bet you $100, here and now, that if we ask those 56 folks whether they disrespect the office of the Presidency or just despair at how George Bush has handled it, most all will say the latter, and NEVER the former.

You have stretched the truth here, CAD. :|

Still doesn't change things perk. They lack confidence in the institution(which is what the poll was about) - meaning they have no respect for it and/or have lost respect for it. Let me ask you this - how do you respect things you have no confidence in? Now lets take the MODs for example. I respect them because they have a hard job to do and I also have confidence in them even though I often disagree with them and how they handle things. But by what you seem to be saying is that someone could have no confidence in the MODs but still somehow respect them? How does one do that?


Now run along and take your "prove it" with you. "disrespect" can be an attitude - it doesn't have to be action. No one is going to outright say they "disrespect" the President or the office if called on it...except for BOBDN, a few others(i guess gaard volunteered for half of it), and possibly some of our foreign members.

CkG

STILL no proof?

I'm not running anywhere, you little weasel BS artist.

Your poll asked about confidence in the Presidency. It blurs the distinction between the office itself and Bush.

Are you going to accept my bet, or are you just going to continue to weasel and wiggle?