Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Ok, that was a bit of rambling, but here's the thing about why I believe the Bible's literal take on a 6 day creation story.
Is that 6 earth days, or martian days or mercury days or alpha centauri days or what?
To me, it doesn't matter because all the arguments that say "A ha, it couldn't have been 6 days because..." put God into a box where they assume he's bound by the same laws he created for us. I'd assume earth days, it's implied in the Bible, but even if it's not, it doesn't really matter as I understand it.
In engineering, it's always important to get your units straight. If I say "5," ok, great. 5 what? 5 pounds? 5 yards? 5 chickens? God has been referred to as one of the greatest engineers of all time, yet he can't keep the basics straight?
When the Bible was supposedly inspired/dictated/hallucinated from God, he knew we were limited beings. He should have known that units were important.
At the time the Bible was written, we didn't know anything about how old the Earth
really was. To say it's 6000 years old, and that the world was created in 6 days, it wasn't a problem. But as science started to say, "Wow, this place is REALLY old!", we ventured back into "god of the gaps" territory. Suddenly a "day" wasn't a "day" anymore. It needed to be something different, in order to make it fit the new scientific evidence, and so that it wouldn't sound quite as loony. Religion itself has evolved over the years. How ironic.
As science keeps exposing as false what religion has held to be true, religion keeps on covering its own butt by saying, "Well here's what we
really meant..." Theists also needed to become lawyers, and redefine what the meaning of the word "is" is.
The flaw in the argument against a 6 day creation is they purposefully confuse God taking 6 days to create the earth, approx 6000 years ago with the Bible saying everything is and will appear 6000 years old.
As I said, there is no contradiction in a 6 day creation, the amount of time God used to create the universe or what the finished product looks like has nothing to do with what the finished product will look like to our perception.
I do take your point though, and why I believe the Bible is literally true when it says God created the earth and the heavens in 6 days. There is a lot of ridicule in the world over this, but there is no logical or scientific evidence that contradicts the BIble. What you do see is man gaining more knowledge about the world around him and becoming more and more prideful.
Ah, god of the cracks again, "Science is proving our beliefs to be wrong (or need to be modified), BURN THE HERETIC". Though your statement isn't that extreme, that is where the line of thinking goes and has gone in the past. And don't assume I'm painting all religious people with the same brush, just people like you. Some of the greatest scientists where extremely religious people and the world owes much to them, but we will never know just how much was robbed from humanity by people of similar mind to you.
Now don't get me wrong, those who say "ZOMG, THERE IS NO GOD" are a bunch of idiots, but what makes
your religion so special that all others are wrong and the universe is shaped according to your book that MAN wrote, not god or Jesus but average Joe Smho.
Now prove to me Jesus wasn't a con artist first, then I'll start to take you more seriously. I don't actually think he was a con artist, but can you prove he wasn't? The first answers I can think of would be people and places from the bible that really existed, but it only proves that the people who had a hand in writing the bible lived long enough ago to know of these places and people. As for the medicals, short of a time machine we will never know.
It is easy to go waving around the "God did it!" stick to explain what is in the bible, but can you verify the accuracy of the source martial for all which you believe? Yes,
FAITH is the answer! Of course, and I can have faith that you are a homosexual, and if questioned I can say "God told me so!" and you will never prove to me or anyone else that I am wrong (you may convince them I'm wrong, but public opinion does not make it fact).
Science seeks to explain the world around us. People may chose fields that will discredit cretin religious beliefs, but the scientific method doesn't care one way or another, it is cold, unfeeling, unthinking and uncaring. Those claiming to be men of science but refuse to except new evidence and/or change their minds are flaming retards to but it bluntly, a true scientists will look at a experiment and say "WOW, this proves everything we know about X is wrong, this is amazing."
On a final note, I'm ok with you believing whatever you want, just don't expect any respect from me. You have entered into a debate so don't be too offended by me questioning what you believe. However if you throw away all evidence that contradicts your beliefs without even a casual glance and yell "THIS IS THE TRUTH", then you are my enemy. Willful ignorance does no one good except those who seek to exploit it.
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