Proof would be millions of transition records. Science would be to demonstrate it and test it repeatably.
Proof would be millions of transition records. Science would be to demonstrate it and test it repeatably.
LOL, it's also equally possible I shat the entire universe out after a consuming some bad tacos from the roach coach down the block.
edit: And I got the job done in a couple of hours, not 6 days.
retrospooty
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Thank you... He also has no grasp of the word "proof" ... The fact that we havent replicated in a lab, a process that takes millions of years does not mean its not proven. We proved it happened... and in a slow way you can see it happen as bacterial strains become immune to penecillin. The man lives in denial- cant admit his great grandaddy to the 10th power was an ape... Probably a subservient one
AbAbber2k
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This.
Did God inspire man to write the bible or did he steal their free will and pen it himself through their hands? Only in the later scenario could the bible be truly infallible. People can't remember shit to save their lives. Look at crime/accident/etc witnesses. You could question two people standing 5 feet from a murder scene and they'll both give you different accounts and MAYBE even change their story because they forgot something.
Why is it so hard to believe that, while the bible may be inspired by god, it is not 100% infallible and is thus simply a set of stories given to us to help us make the right choices, inspire us, and live good decent lives (might have the cut half the old testament if that's the case
)?Now, I personally don't think there's anything divine about the bible... but at least if more Christians took the bible less literally I might have more respect for them.
retrospooty
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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Why is it so hard to believe that, while the bible may be inspired by god, it is not 100% infallible and is thus simply a set of stories given to us to help us make the right choices, inspire us, and live good decent lives (might have the cut half the old testament if that's the case
Exactly... The bible was written by primitive man, not god. It was written with primitive man's idea of god in mind (and alot of imagination), and primitive man's limited understanding of science.
retrospooty
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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
maybe if we went back in time 2000 years and wrote a book about it, he'd believe it then. v
I'd go back and pen the Holy Book of AbAbberism.
I could see the likes of Corbett and Duwelon now - lemmings that they are...
"AbAbberism banged his head repeatedly on a large stone until he died for you"
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This might be talking out of my ass on this, as I'm no mathematician, but I don't think calculus has been "proven" to the degree that Duwelon would ask. Doing so would require counting every last infinitely-small section underneath a curve.Originally posted by: retrospooty
Thank you... He also has no grasp of the word "proof" ... The fact that we havent replicated in a lab, a process that takes millions of years does not mean its not proven. We proved it happened... and in a slow way you can see it happen as bacterial strains become immune to penecillin. The man lives in denial- cant admit his great grandaddy to the 10th power was an ape... Probably a subservient one
I don't think anyone's going to refute calculus though.
The funny thing is, people seem to resist evolution because they don't "want" it to be true. Yeah, so what, your distance ancestors were ape-like things. We have come a little ways from that, you know? Want to prove that you're not ape-like? Act like it. Humans have a tough time doing that. As I mentioned before, we fight just like chimps fighting over a good fig tree, over mates, or for power. We're just much more efficient at killing our own. And we're supposed to be the civilized, intelligent ones.
Why microevolution is perfectly ok, but macroevolution is not, I don't get. Our definition of "species" is entirely arbitrary. If I wanted to, I could say that a tabby cat is a different species than a black one. Who's to say I'm wrong and biologists are right? No one, because "species" is an arbitrary thing that we all agree on, just as is the distance measurement called "meter." You won't find metersticks floating in space, or drifting in the ocean. It's an arbitrary thing we came up with for our own convenience.
"Species" happens to be a sufficiently broad category, such that we usually don't live long enough to see one species turning into another one. But we see life forms adapting to harsh environments all the time. Bacteria developing resistance to drugs is the easiest example to see because their individual life spans are so short, which means more generations occur more quickly. Why that can be accepted, but macroevolution cannot, just boggles the mind.
Indeed. Maybe God "inspired" them to write the entire history of all the previous Universes he created, but their minds didn't like what they were hearing, so they only wrote down what they liked. Remember, humans were sinners at that point in time, sinners from birth. These are the same humans who.....hm, curious. The same lineage of humans from Adam and Eve, the two perfect humans who were themselves capable of sinning even before eating from the tree.Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Why is it so hard to believe that, while the bible may be inspired by god, it is not 100% infallible and is thus simply a set of stories given to us to help us make the right choices, inspire us, and live good decent lives (might have the cut half the old testament if that's the case
Exactly... The bible was written by primitive man, not god. It was written with primitive man's idea of god in mind (and alot of imagination), and primitive man's limited understanding of science.
Yeah, how about that? Eating from the tree wasn't the original sin. Original sin came before that, when they made a choice to disobey God. Sounds like a design flaw to me. Not just disobedient, but these people disobeyed a direct order from the creator of everything because a snake told them to do it.
Why the hell the Tree was even put there, who knows. I don't go to a daycare and tell the kids, "Now everyone stay away from the Chainsaw and Chocolate-flavored Broken Glass Sculpture!" which is set in the center of the room.
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I once again call into question the validity of the source material for creationism that is the bible, see my post on page 12. Can you prove to me Jesus wasn't a con artist?
It might be impossible to disprove events that require a time machine to verify or, refute the "god did it" / "maybe he did it this way" argument. But can [/u]you[/u] prove that it is accurate?
It's all fine and dandy when you pick and chose what is relevant in today's age and what makes you a better person, but to take it as the literal truth that trumps all other truths no-matter-what is beyond good reason.
It might be impossible to disprove events that require a time machine to verify or, refute the "god did it" / "maybe he did it this way" argument. But can [/u]you[/u] prove that it is accurate?
It's all fine and dandy when you pick and chose what is relevant in today's age and what makes you a better person, but to take it as the literal truth that trumps all other truths no-matter-what is beyond good reason.
Originally posted by: Jeff7
This might be talking out of my ass on this, as I'm no mathematician, but I don't think calculus has been "proven" to the degree that Duwelon would ask. Doing so would require counting every last infinitely-small section underneath a curve.Originally posted by: retrospooty
Thank you... He also has no grasp of the word "proof" ... The fact that we havent replicated in a lab, a process that takes millions of years does not mean its not proven. We proved it happened... and in a slow way you can see it happen as bacterial strains become immune to penecillin. The man lives in denial- cant admit his great grandaddy to the 10th power was an ape... Probably a subservient one
I don't think anyone's going to refute calculus though.
I brought up the "what-proof-is-sufficient" thing, and this was the response that I got:
I think it's very apparent that when one doesn't grasp the mechanics of, say, summation notation and limits, one would be very suspicious when told that if n=38 and x=2, then the limit of [fancy equation] as x approaches 4 is [fancy answer]. One would refuse to believe that [answer] is in fact the answer without seeing the equation actually solved for infinite parts.
If you understand calculus, you understand that the equation is not asking you to take anything on faith; the answer is an indicator of the way the calculus works.
If you do NOT understand calculus, the "final number" looks like it was completely pulled out of thin air; it seems like mathematicians are asking non-mathematicians to accept the answer "on faith."
The point is that if one actually understood evolution, then one would "believe" it; the "answers" that evolution points to would be obvious, self-evident, and an indicator of how evolution works. If one doesn't actually understand evolution, then one feels that evolutionists are asking for a lot of "belief" on "faith."
Anybody who doesn't "believe in" evolution simply doesn't understand it. I think it's that simple.
IronWing
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As fun as it would be to whip out RealDraw and add those words, I'm just too lazy. I was responding to the idea that the bible is infallible because the bible was written by a god and we know it was written by a god because the bible says so. Basically the bible is its own tautology.
How do you know that the people who were writing it didn't make a mistake? Like a typo or something like that? The Bible is pretty long; I would expect quite a few typos.
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