The Creationism Museum

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: heymrdj

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed.

That is your problem. Evolutionary theory is more complete than quantum theory, yet you don't have a problem believing that your lights will turn on when you flip your switches.

Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On what basis? Your own ignorance? How much do you really KNOW about evolutionary theory and research.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in.

You mean schooling you apparently never got, or never absorbed.

I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

That is absolutely nonsensical, and based only in your own pathetic ignorance. Get a fucking education before you start telling other people that they can't get the education you lack.

See you proved my point. You're all worked up because I don't buy into your faith. More proven the quantum mechanics? Sure maybe it is. Then again maybe not. Maybe what we know about quantum mechanics isn't completely right. Maybe what we believe in evolution isn't right either. Did we need quantum mechanics to make the first fire? Do we understand how drugs like prednisone work? No..but we use it anyways. As much as it pains you, it is a theory. I know it makes you cry in your sleep, but it's not proven fact. It may scare you and make you wet your nappy, but we may never know. We don't have any proof of what actually created the earth and universe. Where that first particle came from. By definition Evolution could not have created anything. I could go to a 5yr olds stance and repeatedly ask you where, but why bother, you can't tell me where the first "particle" came from. It may be mind boggling, but somewhere "something" had to plant that little seed particle to start evolving.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jonks
Please articulate how my posting the quote shows that I don't understand the quote.

Because what you and Alien don't understand is that quote had merit 45 years ago but is inaccurate today.

**Sigh** No response.

I know you think we all live to respond to you, but sometimes we actually just aren't logged in here. :roll:

And you're still trying to cover for your ignorance. Just say "I didn't know MLK said that" instead of trying to make this about anyone else. You didn't say "When MLK said that back then, it was because of segregation by law." What you did say was "WTH kind of statement is that" which means you had never heard of it. And you know what, there's no shame there. It's perfectly ok not to have heard or read every well known quote ever uttered. But pretending you did after the fact is pretty disingenuous.

And for the record, it's entirely applicable today. MLK was referring to people of the same faith being divided not only by local law but by preference. There was no great outcry to integrate churches back then, and there still isn't one today. Single race congregations make up 95% of churches despite Jim Crow no longer setting the rules. Most people prefer to worship only among their own race. That skin color divides fellow christians is what MLK regretted, and if he could come back today, while he'd be pretty amazed at a lot of the racial progress the nation has made since the 60s, you can bet he'd still feel great dismay at the makeup of churches across the country.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING...ted.sundays/index.html

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: heymrdj
On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

Of course it is a theory. A scientific theory.

Any school worthy of teaching should be teaching what a scientific theory is - a testable and observable hypothesis; when there is enough evidence that the hypothesis explains what happens, it gets to be called a theory. All it takes to disprove a theory is one example of it not working - and the theory will be discarded or the hypothesis will be reworked to incorporate new evidence.

Evolution is not a religion. There are people that blindly believe in it, but it doesn't make it a religion. Sometimes, I find it annoying how people blindly believe in science, but at other times, it is somewhat reasonable since you cannot expect everyone to have the advanced knowledge in every single field to be able to understand why nature is the way it is. There are plenty of others that read up on evolutionary theory, look at the evidence that has been presented by scientists in order to better understand the world around them without blindly going along with it.

I haven't seen a universe under a glass yet created with evolution. It's not testable or observable. We *think* we have observed evolution over supposed trillions of years, but then again we're still missing all the links to prove this.

A theory, nothing special about it.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: heymrdj


This :thumbsup:

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed. Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

1) The Theory of Evolution, as presented by Darwin and as taught by science curricula around the country, makes no claims about the origins of life.

2) I know we've been through this explanation, but theory in scientific terms does not carry the same lack of weight as theory in general terms. When something gets the theory label slapped on it, scientists are basically saying, "Theory X is a fact, unless something comes along to disprove it." Evolution has been around for nearly 200 years and nobody has found anything to disprove it. There are no disparities or incongruities amongst the body of evidence that Evolution explains.

3) You are arguing for "micro-evolution." I put it in quotes because it's something created to fight Evolution. It doesn't exist. The fossil records are pretty clear that many species have common ancestors, that fish existed before land creatures, and that animals like birds and descended from dinosaurs.

I'd encourage you to read more about what Evolution is and isn't before claiming to have made up your mind.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: heymrdj
On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

Of course it is a theory. A scientific theory.

Any school worthy of teaching should be teaching what a scientific theory is - a testable and observable hypothesis; when there is enough evidence that the hypothesis explains what happens, it gets to be called a theory. All it takes to disprove a theory is one example of it not working - and the theory will be discarded or the hypothesis will be reworked to incorporate new evidence.

Evolution is not a religion. There are people that blindly believe in it, but it doesn't make it a religion. Sometimes, I find it annoying how people blindly believe in science, but at other times, it is somewhat reasonable since you cannot expect everyone to have the advanced knowledge in every single field to be able to understand why nature is the way it is. There are plenty of others that read up on evolutionary theory, look at the evidence that has been presented by scientists in order to better understand the world around them without blindly going along with it.

I haven't seen a universe under a glass yet created with evolution. It's not testable or observable. We *think* we have observed evolution over supposed trillions of years, but then again we're still missing all the links to prove this.

A theory, nothing special about it.

Good, you've made it past "ZOMG IT'S A RELIGION TOO!". Keep up the good work.

-edit- typo -edit-

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

See you proved my point. You're all worked up because I don't buy into your faith.

No, I'm worked up because not only are you an idiot, you don't seem interested in remedying that state of affairs, and moreover intend to impede the progress of others.

More proven the quantum mechanics? Sure maybe it is. Then again maybe not.

No, there is no question about it. You are simply unsure because you are an ignorant moron.

Maybe what we know about quantum mechanics isn't completely right.

We know that what we know about quantum mechanics isn't completely right.

Maybe what we believe in evolution isn't right either.

It isn't. It's repeatedly confirmed every single day in research labs around the world.

Did we need quantum mechanics to make the first fire? Do we understand how drugs like prednisone work? No..but we use it anyways. As much as it pains you, it is a theory.

You don't get to use the word theory until you demonstrate that you actually understand what it means. EVERYTHING in science is part of a theory, you fucking dolt.

I know it makes you cry in your sleep, but it's not proven fact.

No scientific facts are proven, you fucking dumbass. Proof is for mathematics and alcohol.

It may scare you and make you wet your nappy, but we may never know.

Evolution is one thing which we DO know, however. It's simply something YOU don't know because you are an idiot.

We don't have any proof of what actually created the earth and universe. Where that first particle came from. By definition Evolution could not have created anything.

Evolution is a biological theory, you stupid assclown, not a cosmological one.

I could go to a 5yr olds stance and repeatedly ask you where, but why bother, you can't tell me where the first "particle" came from.

What first particle?

It may be mind boggling, but somewhere "something" had to plant that little seed particle to start evolving.

Don't be ridiculous. Beginnings are not necessary. Read a fucking book. Shit's sake there seems to be no shortage of you pathetically uneducated Christians perfectly willing to endlessly spruik all the same vomitous nonsense because they heard it from their pastor. Just shut the fuck up.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: heymrdj


This :thumbsup:

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed. Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

1) The Theory of Evolution, as presented by Darwin and as taught by science curricula around the country, makes no claims about the origins of life.

2) I know we've been through this explanation, but theory in scientific terms does not carry the same lack of weight as theory in general terms. When something gets the theory label slapped on it, scientists are basically saying, "Theory X is a fact, unless something comes along to disprove it." Evolution has been around for nearly 200 years and nobody has found anything to disprove it. There are no disparities or incongruities amongst the body of evidence that Evolution explains.

3) You are arguing for "micro-evolution." I put it in quotes because it's something created to fight Evolution. It doesn't exist. The fossil records are pretty clear that many species have common ancestors, that fish existed before land creatures, and that animals like birds and descended from dinosaurs.

I'd encourage you to read more about what Evolution is and isn't before claiming to have made up your mind.

1. So in actuality, we're on near the same page. Yes Evolution exists, but it can't explain where we come from. And yet, why do all my science professors say that it does.

2. You can't disprove what has never been proven securely. It just so happens that in all the time we humans have been scientifically conscious, so to speak, we have not seen 1 organism evolve to another. Evolution just decided to stop with us eh?

3. I have studied it plenty and cannot see where this proof comes from. All the the "proof" is using facts that in themselves have not yet been thoroughly proven. The use of "dating" the fossil record alone is enough to prove this.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: heymrdj


This :thumbsup:

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed. Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

1) The Theory of Evolution, as presented by Darwin and as taught by science curricula around the country, makes no claims about the origins of life.

2) I know we've been through this explanation, but theory in scientific terms does not carry the same lack of weight as theory in general terms. When something gets the theory label slapped on it, scientists are basically saying, "Theory X is a fact, unless something comes along to disprove it." Evolution has been around for nearly 200 years and nobody has found anything to disprove it. There are no disparities or incongruities amongst the body of evidence that Evolution explains.

3) You are arguing for "micro-evolution." I put it in quotes because it's something created to fight Evolution. It doesn't exist. The fossil records are pretty clear that many species have common ancestors, that fish existed before land creatures, and that animals like birds and descended from dinosaurs.

I'd encourage you to read more about what Evolution is and isn't before claiming to have made up your mind.

1. So in actuality, we're on near the same page. Yes Evolution exists, but it can't explain where we come from. And yet, why do all my science professors say that it does.

Evolution explains the origin of biological diversity, and in that sense it explains how humans became humans from our previous anscestorial species.

2. You can't disprove what has never been proven securely.

But then you're not talking about science. Of course, you didn't know that because you are stupid.

It just so happens that in all the time we humans have been scientifically conscious, so to speak, we have not seen 1 organism evolve to another. Evolution just decided to stop with us eh?

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Get. A. FUCKING. Education.

3. I have studied it plenty and cannot see where this proof comes from.

If you're still looking for "proof" of things, then you obviously haven't studied it enough.

All the the "proof" is using facts that in themselves have not yet been thoroughly proven. The use of "dating" the fossil record alone is enough to prove this.

What the fuck are you talking about? Haven't you ever heard of genetics? Do you have any idea what the fuck comes out of your mouth?

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: heymrdj


This :thumbsup:

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed. Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

1) The Theory of Evolution, as presented by Darwin and as taught by science curricula around the country, makes no claims about the origins of life.

2) I know we've been through this explanation, but theory in scientific terms does not carry the same lack of weight as theory in general terms. When something gets the theory label slapped on it, scientists are basically saying, "Theory X is a fact, unless something comes along to disprove it." Evolution has been around for nearly 200 years and nobody has found anything to disprove it. There are no disparities or incongruities amongst the body of evidence that Evolution explains.

3) You are arguing for "micro-evolution." I put it in quotes because it's something created to fight Evolution. It doesn't exist. The fossil records are pretty clear that many species have common ancestors, that fish existed before land creatures, and that animals like birds and descended from dinosaurs.

I'd encourage you to read more about what Evolution is and isn't before claiming to have made up your mind.

1. So in actuality, we're on near the same page. Yes Evolution exists, but it can't explain where we come from. And yet, why do all my science professors say that it does.

Evolution explains the origin of biological diversity, and in that sense it explains how humans became humans from our previous anscestorial species.

2. You can't disprove what has never been proven securely.

But then you're not talking about science. Of course, you didn't know that because you are stupid.

It just so happens that in all the time we humans have been scientifically conscious, so to speak, we have not seen 1 organism evolve to another. Evolution just decided to stop with us eh?

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Get. A. FUCKING. Education.

3. I have studied it plenty and cannot see where this proof comes from.

If you're still looking for "proof" of things, then you obviously haven't studied it enough.

All the the "proof" is using facts that in themselves have not yet been thoroughly proven. The use of "dating" the fossil record alone is enough to prove this.

What the fuck are you talking about? Haven't you ever heard of genetics? Do you have any idea what the fuck comes out of your mouth?

You, you poor excuse of a human being, are worked up. Unless you talk like this everyday. If you act this way with the rest of the world, then by all means, kill yourself please. With. A. FUCKING. Bullet. There see, that looked real intelligent, just like you.

Also your link doesn't work. Maybe someone should teach them the origin of a web server, not an endless redirect loop like some noob learning his first C# application. Just like Evolution, their web page is "incomplete".

Yes I know genetics. Now mate a bird and a fish and tell me what you get you dumb ass. And in case you go and have sex with a goat to try to prove it, not that i'm stopping you from what you normally do anyways, you won't get anything because the species can't mix!

So I go back to what i originally said...or as ZZZ thinks I did. "ZOMG IT TIS A RELIGIONZORS!!!11!!"

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Has anyone noticed...

That the discussions here between the creationists and evolutionists all revolve around the supposed holes in the theroy of evolution.

What is missing here, and in the more general discussions about creationism vs evolution is any scientific explanation to support creationism. All creationists can argue is that there are "gaps" in the theory of evolution therefor their theory deserves equal billing.

But there is no evidence or scientific explanation for creationism. Where are the scientific studies demonstrating how the several million species around today could have fit on the Ark? There are perhaps 15,000 species of beetles alone, some very rare; how long would it take to round them all up? How did the creatures of the tropical Amazon get there from the middle east, the resting place of the ark? What would be needed to get a 60 ton dinnosaur to walk into the ark? Who would get the one ton of food such a creature eats in one day?

The answer is, of course, that there are no scientific studies to support the idea of a 6,000 year old earth and the Flood because the theory of creationism has no scientific basis. In fact it goes against some of the most basic accepted principles of many scientific studies including geology, biology, DNA studies, etc.

And here is the most basic reason why creationism is not science. The foundation of science is that everything is open to revision based on new discoveries. No law or theory however well established cannot be revised if new evidence refutes it. No creationist will ever admit, even in theory, that he is wrong no matter what the evidence. That is why it is a religious belief, not science.

As far as teaching ID in science classes. If we want to grind this whole Evolution vs. Creationism debate to a crashing halt, all we have to do is one simple thing.

Let's make biology an OPTIONAL instead of a required course for high school students. That way, the Creationists will not be able to say that evolution is being forced onto their kids.

Meanwhile, those parents for whom modern biology holds no threat to their fragile religious sensibilities will still be able to get the quality education they wish for their children.

Now before the science teachers start whining that that would be the end of science education as we know it, consider this: Those kids who wish to attend a decent college will still opt to take biology.

All this will do is remove the kids whose parents don't want them to be there and they won't have any excuse to ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
All this will do is remove the kids whose parents don't want them to be there and they won't have any excuse to ruin it for the rest of us.

No, the result is that it will allow ignorant parents to raise ignorant children. The whole purpose of mandatory schooling is to educate the young with people who probably know more than their parents, as an educated population is considered a social good, if not necessity. While some parents will be able to convince their children that the biology teacher is a lying heathen, the majority will leave that class wondering about what they read, and when they go home and can't get a straight answer from their parents, they might just grow up smarter than they would have otherwise.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

That is because schools teach facts and your "beleifs" as well meaning as they may be, are incorrect. You cant tell schools to stop teaching facts because YOU choose not to believe them. IF you want your kids to learn unfacts, then you shouldnt send them to public school. PAy for christian schools. Public dollars should never be spent teaching religion, especially if your religion pushed lies like crationism.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Has anyone noticed...

That the discussions here between the creationists and evolutionists all revolve around the supposed holes in the theroy of evolution.

What is missing here, and in the more general discussions about creationism vs evolution is any scientific explanation to support creationism. All creationists can argue is that there are "gaps" in the theory of evolution therefor their theory deserves equal billing.

But there is no evidence or scientific explanation for creationism. Where are the scientific studies demonstrating how the several million species around today could have fit on the Ark? There are perhaps 15,000 species of beetles alone, some very rare; how long would it take to round them all up? How did the creatures of the tropical Amazon get there from the middle east, the resting place of the ark? What would be needed to get a 60 ton dinnosaur to walk into the ark? Who would get the one ton of food such a creature eats in one day?

The answer is, of course, that there are no scientific studies to support the idea of a 6,000 year old earth and the Flood because the theory of creationism has no scientific basis. In fact it goes against some of the most basic accepted principles of many scientific studies including geology, biology, DNA studies, etc.

And here is the most basic reason why creationism is not science. The foundation of science is that everything is open to revision based on new discoveries. No law or theory however well established cannot be revised if new evidence refutes it. No creationist will ever admit, even in theory, that he is wrong no matter what the evidence. That is why it is a religious belief, not science.

As far as teaching ID in science classes. If we want to grind this whole Evolution vs. Creationism debate to a crashing halt, all we have to do is one simple thing.

Let's make biology an OPTIONAL instead of a required course for high school students. That way, the Creationists will not be able to say that evolution is being forced onto their kids.

Meanwhile, those parents for whom modern biology holds no threat to their fragile religious sensibilities will still be able to get the quality education they wish for their children.

Now before the science teachers start whining that that would be the end of science education as we know it, consider this: Those kids who wish to attend a decent college will still opt to take biology.

All this will do is remove the kids whose parents don't want them to be there and they won't have any excuse to ruin it for the rest of us.

Yes Creationism does deserve the same issue. So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids. Moreso, which ones do we, under false guise, tell them is the correct one. People complain that religion blinds kids to the truth. Newsflash, THERE"S NO TRUTH YET. We go around, teaching our little ones who absorb things like sponges, that dinosaurs walked the earth 50 batrillion years ago and so forth and so shit. So who's brainwashing who? Why don't these books say "We think, with some uncertainty, that this might have occurred xxx years ago. There is some evidence to support that, but no proof." The whole reason for the fiery debate is wanting to make sure what we teach is without doubt true. Since that's impossible to do at the current time, what do we teach kids? Right now all we do is teach theory, without harping enough that it is theory.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

You, you poor excuse of a human being, are worked up. Unless you talk like this everyday. If you act this way with the rest of the world, then by all means, kill yourself please. With. A. FUCKING. Bullet. There see, that looked real intelligent, just like you.

Your arguments are met with the derision they deserve. If you do not like it, learn the facts.

Also your link doesn't work. Maybe someone should teach them the origin of a web server, not an endless redirect loop like some noob learning his first C# application. Just like Evolution, their web page is "incomplete".

The site appears to be down temporarily. Ask anybody who's been combating the kind of ignorant drivel you insistently regurgitate and they'd know the talkorigins archives well. Here's a google cache to keep you busy until they get the site back up.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q...=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Yes I know genetics.

No, you don't.

Now mate a bird and a fish and tell me what you get you dumb ass.

If you had a clue, you would know that the fact that birds don't mate with fish is predicted by evolution.

And in case you go and have sex with a goat to try to prove it, not that i'm stopping you from what you normally do anyways, you won't get anything because the species can't mix!

Just as evolution predicts. Good fucking Christ you just keep sticking your foot in your mouth, don't you?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
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Yes Creationism does deserve the same issue. So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids. Moreso, which ones do we, under false guise, tell them is the correct one. People complain that religion blinds kids to the truth. Newsflash, THERE"S NO TRUTH YET. We go around, teaching our little ones who absorb things like sponges, that dinosaurs walked the earth 50 batrillion years ago and so forth and so shit. So who's brainwashing who? Why don't these books say "We think, with some uncertainty, that this might have occurred xxx years ago. There is some evidence to support that, but no proof." The whole reason for the fiery debate is wanting to make sure what we teach is without doubt true. Since that's impossible to do at the current time, what do we teach kids? Right now all we do is teach theory, without harping enough that it is theory.

What do you mean there is no proof that dinosaurs lived here? Science has proven they were hear from appx 250 million years ago to appx 65 million years ago. The exact year is not known, but that doesnt change the fact that it happened and is proven.

DNA evidence has also proven we evolved from earlier verions of apes over the last 5 million years. That is proven as well. Anyone that calls it a "thoery" isnt paying attention... and is wrong.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Yes Creationism does deserve the same issue.

Why? It isn't a scientific theory. Evolution is.

So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids.

Do you have another theory? Creationism isn't one. You only think it is because you're the stupid twat that doesn't know his asshole from his elbow.

Do some learnin'.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q...=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Moreso, which ones do we, under false guise, tell them is the correct one. People complain that religion blinds kids to the truth. Newsflash, THERE"S NO TRUTH YET. We go around, teaching our little ones who absorb things like sponges, that dinosaurs walked the earth 50 batrillion years ago and so forth and so shit. So who's brainwashing who?

It is precisely your deliberate ignorance of the facts that you are such a laughing stock among the educated.

Why don't these books say "We think, with some uncertainty, that this might have occurred xxx years ago. There is some evidence to support that, but no proof." The whole reason for the fiery debate is wanting to make sure what we teach is without doubt true. Since that's impossible to do at the current time, what do we teach kids? Right now all we do is teach theory, without harping enough that it is theory.

Until you learn that scientific theories are not unfactual, your arguments will simply be met with derision. You are simply ignorant. That isn't an insult, its a fact.

"Just a theory." Do you know how many stupid creationists I've had to disabuse of this silly idea? We should take a poll to see how many others have seen this canard parroted by moronic creationists like you. I guarantee you're about the 100,000th.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: heymrdj
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Yes Creationism does deserve the same issue. So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids. Moreso, which ones do we, under false guise, tell them is the correct one. People complain that religion blinds kids to the truth. Newsflash, THERE"S NO TRUTH YET. We go around, teaching our little ones who absorb things like sponges, that dinosaurs walked the earth 50 batrillion years ago and so forth and so shit. So who's brainwashing who? Why don't these books say "We think, with some uncertainty, that this might have occurred xxx years ago. There is some evidence to support that, but no proof." The whole reason for the fiery debate is wanting to make sure what we teach is without doubt true. Since that's impossible to do at the current time, what do we teach kids? Right now all we do is teach theory, without harping enough that it is theory.

What do you mean there is no proof that dinosaurs lived here? Science has proven they were hear from appx 250 million years ago to appx 65 million years ago. The exact year is not known, but that doesnt change the fact that it happened and is proven.

DNA evidence has also proven we evolved from earlier verions of apes over the last 5 million years. That is proven as well. Anyone that calls it a "thoery" isnt paying attention... and is wrong.

I never said that dinosaurs didn't exist. And how do we know that the dating system is working right. I've seen it get dated a lot sooner and alot farther.

As for the DNA. You build on what works. If we share DNA we could have been created the same way. Why have different sets of lungs, if the same basic design works well for all oxygen breathing mammals on the planet? That "proof" of DNA means nothing.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Yes Creationism does deserve the same issue.

Why? It isn't a scientific theory. Evolution is.

So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids.

Do you have another theory? Creationism isn't one. You only think it is because you're the stupid twat that doesn't know his asshole from his elbow.

Do some learnin'.

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Moreso, which ones do we, under false guise, tell them is the correct one. People complain that religion blinds kids to the truth. Newsflash, THERE"S NO TRUTH YET. We go around, teaching our little ones who absorb things like sponges, that dinosaurs walked the earth 50 batrillion years ago and so forth and so shit. So who's brainwashing who?

It is precisely your deliberate ignorance of the facts that you are such a laughing stock among the educated.

Why don't these books say "We think, with some uncertainty, that this might have occurred xxx years ago. There is some evidence to support that, but no proof." The whole reason for the fiery debate is wanting to make sure what we teach is without doubt true. Since that's impossible to do at the current time, what do we teach kids? Right now all we do is teach theory, without harping enough that it is theory.

Until you learn that scientific theories are not unfactual, your arguments will simply be met with derision. You are simply ignorant. That isn't an insult, its a fact.

"Just a theory." Do you know how many stupid creationists I've had to disabuse of this silly idea? We should take a poll to see how many others have seen this canard parroted by moronic creationists like you. I guarantee you're about the 100,000th.

Your thought that this "theory" is special comes from just another human being. Human beings minds are flawed. We ourselves try to comprehend that which makes us. We don't understand it. Until it completely laid out, and repeatable it is THEORY. Yes scientific theory, parts of it can be scientifically proven just like creationism. But it is all theory. Just because someone in a white lab coat deemed it as "scientific" doesn't make it true. A guy in a lab coat said that eggs are bad, then good, then bad, then good.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

And how do we know that the dating system is working right.

Calibration and corroboration with independent dating methods. We've been doing this for a long time, despite your oblivious ignorance.

As for the DNA. You build on what works. If we share DNA we could have been created the same way. Why have different sets of lungs, if the same basic design works well for all oxygen breathing mammals on the planet? That "proof" of DNA means nothing.

Actually, it does, because we know how DNA propogates through time among reproducing populations. That is evolution in a nutshell, but you wouldnt know it if it took a dump in your mouth.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: heymrdj

And how do we know that the dating system is working right.

Calibration and corroboration with independent dating methods. We've been doing this for a long time, despite your oblivious ignorance.

As for the DNA. You build on what works. If we share DNA we could have been created the same way. Why have different sets of lungs, if the same basic design works well for all oxygen breathing mammals on the planet? That "proof" of DNA means nothing.

Actually, it does, because we know how DNA propogates through time among reproducing populations. That is evolution in a nutshell, but you wouldnt know it if it took a dump in your mouth.

Or proof that a single entity created us. It proves either way.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Your thought that this "theory" is special comes from just another human being. Human beings minds are flawed. We ourselves try to comprehend that which makes us. We don't understand it. Until it completely laid out, and repeatable it is THEORY. Yes scientific theory, parts of it can be scientifically proven just like creationism. But it is all theory. Just because someone in a white lab coat deemed it as "scientific" doesn't make it true. A guy in a lab coat said that eggs are bad, then good, then bad, then good.

Please enlighten us as to what parts of creationism can be scientifically proven.

You still don't seem to see the difference between scientific theories and the theory someone might have about why their newspaper gets stolen. Remember, it's just the THEORY of gravity after all. Do you not believe gravity exists because it's just a THEORY?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Your thought that this "theory" is special comes from just another human being.

Let's add this to the apparently limitless list of things you are wrong about. Evolution is independent of any human being, and is the result of the cumulative work of literally thousands if not millions or billions of people.

Human beings minds are flawed.

Well, yours certainly is.

We ourselves try to comprehend that which makes us. We don't understand it.

Speak for yourself.

Until it completely laid out, and repeatable it is THEORY.

Evolution is repeatable. It's repeated all the time in labs all over the world.

Yes scientific theory, parts of it can be scientifically proven just like creationism.

Umm... which parts of creationism are scientifically proven?

But it is all theory. Just because someone in a white lab coat deemed it as "scientific" doesn't make it true. A guy in a lab coat said that eggs are bad, then good, then bad, then good.

It's true because the observations which verify it are independently observable. That you lack the education to access those observations and the cognitive capacity to grasp them is your problem.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
So this is the problem. Which incomplete theory do we teach kids.

No, the problem is you think ID is a scientific theory. It isn't. And for the record, EVERY SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS "INCOMPLETE." You think we know everything there is to know about gravity? We don't. Should we therefore look to teach an "alternative falling" explanation based on an even more gap filled invented unscientific notion?

A six-week trial over the issue yielded ?overwhelming evidence? establishing that intelligent design ?is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,? said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago.

The disclaimer, he said, "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."

Damned liberal atheist activist judges. And now the Pope agrees with them. I knew he was Satan in a skullcap.

 

[Atreus21]

I don't understand why christians see the necessity of pursuing creationism. It exists solely as a counter to evolution, and no such counter is necessary. Evolution doesn't seek to disprove anything at all that christians believe, except perhaps that the bible is not to be taken literally, which many denominations already believe, including catholicism. It's just science, for christ's sake.

At the same time, I think creationists would have an easier time coming off of it if their ego's weren't insulted by people claiming that evolution explains everything, including the lack of a God. Evolution doesn't explain everything. It doesn't explain ultimate origins.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

Or proof that a single entity created us. It proves either way.

Holy shit you're an idiot. In order to "prove" one thing, you have to prove that it isnt anything else. Anyways, science doesn't deal in proof, because you could never prove that the world wasn't popped into existence 30 mins ago with a complete but false history. That's precisely why creationism is scientifically untenable.