The Creationism Museum

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

Son, go read the fucking constitution, in the same amendment that states that you have freedom to speak your mind is the line that no religion is above another.

NO religion, got that clown? Now dance for us.

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

Oh my science indeed.

-edit-
And it's even more hilarious that folks call me a "right winger" when every political test I've ever taken puts me square in the middle. But when you guys are so far gone leftists anything in the middle appears "right wing".

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

Son, go read the fucking constitution, in the same amendment that states that you have freedom to speak your mind is the line that no religion is above another.

NO religion, got that clown? Now dance for us.

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

Oh my science indeed.

The word you're looking for is secularism and that is what every single first world country is founded upon, do you think that is coincidence?

There isn't a first world country that is Muslim, Christian, Bhuddist, Hinduist, Socialst, Capitalist or holds any other extremist view, this is BY DESIGN because extremism does NOT WORK.

Mixed economy secular societies always work though, golly gee, wonder why?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

Son, go read the fucking constitution, in the same amendment that states that you have freedom to speak your mind is the line that no religion is above another.

NO religion, got that clown? Now dance for us.

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

Oh my science indeed.

-edit-
And it's even more hilarious that you call me a "right winger" when ever political test I've ever taken puts me square in the middle. But when you guys are so far gone leftists anything in the middle appears "right wing".

Well whatever the political test says, you spend 99% of your time here spouting the party line of the right and bashing "lefties". If you've ever said anything bad about the right, I don't remember it...and there are right-wing nutjobs as well as left-wing nutjobs here, so it's not like you haven't had the opportunity.

In any case, JoS makes a good point. Atheism is not a religion, but it IS the official, legal stance of the US government. Well, more properly the 1st amendment says the government is agnostic...but in any case, religion takes a backseat.

In any case, "careful what your worship" makes no sense...NOBODY is trying to prevent you from believing whatever you like.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

I like this post.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

There it is again.

You don't believe what I believe! Your freedom of religion is OK as long as it is the Atheist religion!

Silly liberals. It really is funny to see how you guys think. Liberty is fine, as long as it agrees with your point of view.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

There it is again.

You don't believe what I believe! Your freedom of religion is OK as long as it is the Atheist religion!

Silly liberals. It really is funny to see how you guys think. Liberty is fine, as long as it agrees with your point of view.

Who is keeping you from practicing your religion?

Oh... no one. Your freedom of religion is perfectly intact.

And BTW, you shouldn't complain about being called a 'wingnut' or similar when your every post contains something to effect of 'silly liberals.' You're just reaping what you sow there.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God.

You're as misinformed as he. Some atheists may believe as you claim, but not all of them. In it's simplest and purest form, atheism is simply a lack of belief.

Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

Quite simply, this is yet another item on the very long list of things about which you are impressively ignorant.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Was Abraham Lincoln a contributor to the drafting of the US Constitution? No. So what he has to say about it means diddly fucking squat.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

What kind of shit are you smoking? Read some of Jefferson's diaries sometime and then come talk to me. What is it about you ignorant righties that makes you think you can spout off this nonsense and be taken seriously?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

I think you're missing the boat. Our forefathers were definitely Christians, but they had the patience, understanding, and virtue to understand that their answers weren't necessarily OUR answers. In that light, they established this country as a non-denominational place, where all sorts of answers were accepted. Of course many of these men were deeply spiritual, but don't defame them by making a backhanded claim that they believed their religion was right.

Clearly, your beliefs are anchored in your own perception of faith. Your faith isn't my faith. I have no sins to confess or devils to believe in. My atheism isn't based in belief -- it's based in a rational (not the inflammatory version of this word, the true meaning: rationality) understanding that god does not exist.

That understanding, in my case, comes from a long search through religious texts and an examination of our physical universe. I've read parts of the Qu'ran, The Old Testament, The New Testament, etc, etc. I've read books that were cut out of the bible. I've read Dawkins, Collins, Darwin, Hawkings, St. Augustine, etc. After reading these writings, I've reached my own decision about the world, its origins, and how we fit in. That decision includes no logical reason to believe in god. So I don't. I also don't believe in unicorns or fairies or anything like that. I guess if compelling evidence came along that god existed, I'd change my mind, but the fact of the matter is that there is nothing convincing about his existence, so why should I believe that something is there when there is no evidence?

For you to come and claim that I'm either confused or stupid, is insulting to say the least because I've spent a lot of time examining these issues. That being said, I don't go around trying to convince people to abandon religion. I don't think that Dawkins is right to decry that all religion should be abolished, but I do have a problem (like I said before) with a "museum" that presents factually incorrect information. Is there anything I can do (or would do) about it? Probably not, but don't think that my stomach doesn't turn when I see exhibits with dinosaurs and people walking around.

edit: a typo or two.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

There it is again.

If you mean your pathetically ignorant misconceptions, then yes. Here they are.

You don't believe what I believe! Your freedom of religion is OK as long as it is the Atheist religion!

Nobody is telling you what your religion should be. We're simply saying that the state doesn't have a religion. It's secular. Is this too complex for your simple little right-wing mind?

Silly liberals. It really is funny to see how you guys think. Liberty is fine, as long as it agrees with your point of view.

Nothing in this thread supports that accusation. Now, fuck off.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

Nope, i'm an atheist and that simply means that i do NOT believe in a god.

The US was created by Deists, not Christians, you rewriting history to fit with lies anc deception which you Christians are so very fond of does not make it so.

You see, reality is still reality and you can't change that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color, you ignorant twat. The United States is a secular nation. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass.

There it is again.

If you mean your pathetically ignorant misconceptions, then yes. Here they are.

You don't believe what I believe! Your freedom of religion is OK as long as it is the Atheist religion!

Nobody is telling you what your religion should be. We're simply saying that the state doesn't have a religion. It's secular. Is this too complex for your simple little right-wing mind?

Silly liberals. It really is funny to see how you guys think. Liberty is fine, as long as it agrees with your point of view.

Nothing in this thread supports that accusation. Now, fuck off.

I'm going to ask you to lay off of Spidey, he's not a bad man.

Note that it's only a request, i am in no position to demand anything from anyone and i mostly agree with you too.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

You do realize Hitler also peppered much of his writing with references to the christian god. He used it as justification for his actions, saying that he was fulfilling god's wishes.

Just because Lincoln was a Christian does not mean he fought slavery because of his religion. Have you attended a high school history class? He fought to save the Union, not to free the slaves.

There are already countries who are very secular, and they've been turning out fine. Alot of these countries also happen to have a lower crime rate per capita. Everything you say is simply untrue and incredibly misguided

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

You do realize Hitler also peppered much of his writing with references to the christian god. He used it as justification for his actions, saying that he was fulfilling god's wishes.

Just because Lincoln was a Christian does not mean he fought slavery because of his religion. Have you attended a high school history class? He fought to save the Union, not to free the slaves.

There are already countries who are very secular, and they've been turning out fine. Alot of these countries also happen to have a lower crime rate per capita. Everything you say is simply untrue and incredibly misguided

Considering that most of the founding fathers of the US were slave owners that might be a bad argument.

But this is Duwelon, he'd screw his sister and kill his mum if he interpreted the bible to tell him to do so.

He's a fanatic, much like the Talibans i fight.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Religion in church, science in the class room. Seems fair to me. Why do people have so little faith in their religion that they want it taught in science class too? Could just be the most likely explanation.




Think they would go for a full reversal with science classes in church? Nayh!:shocked:

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

Isn't that one of the main tenets of Christianity?
Accept God/Jesus/Holy Ghost/Cousin Bob, or go to Hell for ever and ever and ever and ever.
Because God loves you enough to torture you for eternity if you don't love him back.
I think our legal system would qualify that as an abusive, controlling relationship, and sentence the offender to, at the very least, psychiatric evaluation. But if it's God doing it, praise God!

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07
Good for you.

I remind you to read what you posted else take your fucked up position to the supreme court.

One nation, under God by God, rights given to man by God.

Read it again, retard. We grant rights to each other, according to the US Constitution. God means fuck all.

Fuck's sake you righties are such idiots.

"Under God" - added to the Pledge by Congress in 1954 so we wouldn't look like them damn godless commies.
By God: God didn't create this country. People did.

And what Cerpin Taxt said: If we were granted rights by God, mere humans would not have the power to take them away. Governments will take away "rights" whenever it suits them and they can get away with it. Governments, which are people, put into office by people, not by God. It would be pretty pointless to have a popular vote if God was really behind it all. Then it's just a theocratic dictatorship.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

Now look who's blinded by pride (and historical ignorance).

Yeah, America is God's gift to the world. World, I hope you saved the receipt.
....though I guess you would have returned the gift by now if you had it.

If we're the best the world can ever hope for, I pity the world, and humanity.


Governments fail. Amazingly, even those who claim to owe their existence to some divine entity fail.
It also seems odd that, if this is a "Christian nation," God would allow his perfect gift to the world to fall. What happens then? God goes into another genocidal mood and destroys 99.99999% of humanity again?

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Religion in church, science in the class room. Seems fair to me. Why do people have so little faith in their religion that they want it taught in science class too? Could just be the most likely explanation.

Think they would go for a full reversal with science classes in church? Nayh!:shocked:

They don't want feeble minds corrupted by science. Knowledge of God is just so very natural and strong that a little bit of physical evidence couldn't [i[possibly[/i] do anything to shake it, right?

On the other hand, it seems that humans were created with an inherent design flaw: Stupidity.
Eden: God says not to eat from a certain tree. (Why put it there in the first place, only God would know.)
A snake tells them to eat from a tree.
Hmm....obey the Lord of all Creation, or a talking snake. Mmmmmm, apples.
A good engineer would fix this obvious flaw. God instead punishes his creations and all of their offspring, expelling them from Eden into a world of suffering and death.
If a parent did something like that to his kid when he snitches a cookie from the cookie jar, that parent would find himself in jail, again, on abuse charges. A reasonable, benevolent parent would punish the child briefly and move on with life.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jonks
Please articulate how my posting the quote shows that I don't understand the quote.

Because what you and Alien don't understand is that quote had merit 45 years ago but is inaccurate today.

**Sigh** No response.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: spidey07

I know. But the atheist religion wants to make it above all others. Careful what you worship is what I said and it is what I mean.

More inanity from Captain Confused.

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. The United States is a secular nation.

Calm down. Atheists believe there is no God. Belief without proof is that good puffy stuff religions are made of. If I see someone claim they're an atheist, I know one thing, that person is either confused about what it means or so blinded by their pride they're in a stupor of stupidity.

America once took for granted it's Christian roots. Go read some of Abraham Lincoln's writings, they're absolutely peppered with references to the Christian God and he took up arms against the south using Christian morals to free the slaves.

Today, we are becoming more and more secular, and the more this happens, the worse off we will be as crime and corruption ratchet up. The world has been blessed through America and it's Christian, non secular roots and as those roots are cut off by people like you who revel in your sins and hate others for their views, America will fall.

Atheists do not believe there is no god, they simply don't believe in a god. When you understand the difference, you will understand why atheism is different from other religions.

Your understanding of Lincoln also leaves a lot to be desired. Lincoln did not take up arms with Christian morals to free the slaves. He campaigned under the banner of not allowing slavery to expand any further than it already had, and he took up arms to preserve the Union, not free the slaves. In fact he is directly quoted writing that if he could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, he would have done it.

While I'm sorry that you think crime follows secularization, the crime rate in the US now is actually significantly lower than it was in the mid 1970's. I thought we were busy kicking god out of everything the last 3 decades?

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Atheists do not believe there is no god, they simply don't believe in a god. When you understand the difference, you will understand why atheism is different from other religions.

There's definitely a HUGE difference there, but it's all still based on faith, whether people like to admit it or not. No matter how many scientific proofs, theories, and evidence people obtain, no one can truthfully say with proof, "There is no God". On the contrary, you can't prove God exists either. God could be working behind anything...even evolution. Same with the opposite...he could be working behind nothing, or simply just not be there at all. Either side, believing in a God or not, takes faith (believing in something without proof). So, as different as atheism may be, it still shares one common factor to all other religions.

To the OP, I'm not voicing my opinion on that museum, but you're not helping and only making yourself and others looks worse. People don't listen to other people that look down on them or make fun of them, so you're not actually getting anywhere (though, there are hard-headed people out there...on either side of the argument, though).

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Atheists do not believe there is no god, they simply don't believe in a god. When you understand the difference, you will understand why atheism is different from other religions.

There's definitely a HUGE difference there, but it's all still based on faith, whether people like to admit it or not. No matter how many scientific proofs, theories, and evidence people obtain, no one can truthfully say with proof, "There is no God". On the contrary, you can't prove God exists either. God could be working behind anything...even evolution. Same with the opposite...he could be working behind nothing, or simply just not be there at all. Either side, believing in a God or not, takes faith (believing in something without proof). So, as different as atheism may be, it still shares one common factor to all other religions.

To the OP, I'm not voicing my opinion on that museum, but you're not helping and only making yourself and others looks worse. People don't listen to other people that look down on them or make fun of them, so you're not actually getting anywhere (though, there are hard-headed people out there...on either side of the argument, though).

It's really not still based on faith. It's just not believing in a god without evidence. It's the same as not believing in unicorns until I see one.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Atheists do not believe there is no god, they simply don't believe in a god. When you understand the difference, you will understand why atheism is different from other religions.

There's definitely a HUGE difference there, but it's all still based on faith, whether people like to admit it or not. No matter how many scientific proofs, theories, and evidence people obtain, no one can truthfully say with proof, "There is no God". On the contrary, you can't prove God exists either. God could be working behind anything...even evolution. Same with the opposite...he could be working behind nothing, or simply just not be there at all. Either side, believing in a God or not, takes faith (believing in something without proof). So, as different as atheism may be, it still shares one common factor to all other religions.

To the OP, I'm not voicing my opinion on that museum, but you're not helping and only making yourself and others looks worse. People don't listen to other people that look down on them or make fun of them, so you're not actually getting anywhere (though, there are hard-headed people out there...on either side of the argument, though).

It is faith that I don't believe there is a purple stuffed elephant orbiting the Jupiter? No, it's based on a logical examination of the facts and an understanding that it is highly unlikely (on the magnitude of a zero percent chance) that there is a purple stuffed elephant orbiting Jupiter.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Atheists do not believe there is no god, they simply don't believe in a god. When you understand the difference, you will understand why atheism is different from other religions.

There's definitely a HUGE difference there, but it's all still based on faith, whether people like to admit it or not. No matter how many scientific proofs, theories, and evidence people obtain, no one can truthfully say with proof, "There is no God". On the contrary, you can't prove God exists either. God could be working behind anything...even evolution. Same with the opposite...he could be working behind nothing, or simply just not be there at all. Either side, believing in a God or not, takes faith (believing in something without proof). So, as different as atheism may be, it still shares one common factor to all other religions.

To the OP, I'm not voicing my opinion on that museum, but you're not helping and only making yourself and others looks worse. People don't listen to other people that look down on them or make fun of them, so you're not actually getting anywhere (though, there are hard-headed people out there...on either side of the argument, though).

This :thumbsup:

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed. Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

Now my gf is a good example on how people come to beliefs by themselves. She was raised of course in secular schooling. Her father was a Latter Day Saint, and she couldn't stand that and got out of it. She then switched to atheism. She stayed this way for 5 years, until on her own at the age of 16, she switched to Christian. Now she's like me, Christian, but without a church base. We both find *most* (read that as not all as neither of us have explored them all) are too structured, pulling away from what God intended "Christianity" (as the everyday man calls it) to be. We believe in God, we worship him, we give 10% of our earnings, and we try to live our lives as best we can to follow his teachings as laid out in the KJV. Now I don't necessarily agree with the translation of the KJV, we just chose that, after reading the histories of the different versions, to be the best.

You may now all go back to your bunghole raping stupidity .

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: heymrdj

It's the pure fact we don't know jack shit about the "beginnings". We have scientists that claim they do, but we don't understand really. Until I see every single step laid out piece by piece with EVERY SINGLE LOOP HOLE that currently exists filled, I believe the THEORY of evolution is flawed.

That is your problem. Evolutionary theory is more complete than quantum theory, yet you don't have a problem believing that your lights will turn on when you flip your switches.

Evolution *does* exist in a limited way within individual species, but I do not believe it possible for us to have actually been created from it.

On what basis? Your own ignorance? How much do you really KNOW about evolutionary theory and research.

On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in.

You mean schooling you apparently never got, or never absorbed.

I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

That is absolutely nonsensical, and based only in your own pathetic ignorance. Get a fucking education before you start telling other people that they can't get the education you lack.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
On this point I don't believe that I should be forced to pay for schooling I don't believe in. I believe schools should have to make it clear on every book, quiz, and test they print, *THIS IS THEORY*. It IS a religion. EVOLUTION AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN IS A RELIGION. Some people don't want to accept this, but the pure fact remains that it is unproven faith based belief.

Of course it is a theory. A scientific theory.

Any school worthy of teaching should be teaching what a scientific theory is - a testable and observable hypothesis; when there is enough evidence that the hypothesis explains what happens, it gets to be called a theory. All it takes to disprove a theory is one example of it not working - and the theory will be discarded or the hypothesis will be reworked to incorporate new evidence.

Evolution is not a religion. There are people that blindly believe in it, but it doesn't make it a religion. Sometimes, I find it annoying how people blindly believe in science, but at other times, it is somewhat reasonable since you cannot expect everyone to have the advanced knowledge in every single field to be able to understand why nature is the way it is. There are plenty of others that read up on evolutionary theory, look at the evidence that has been presented by scientists in order to better understand the world around them without blindly going along with it.