The Creationism Museum

[spidey07]

Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I agree with you in part, science classrooms should teach science, real science. There have been many lies printed in school textbooks that even after they're disproven, they still keep them in there as support for evolution.

Let's run with the notion that a community wants to get their public schools to teach creationism. It isn't hatred, because the communities beliefs are that without the forgiveness of sins, they will be sent to hell. It would be hateful and cruel for the community to know this and not want to warn their kids. Even if that's all hogwash, it's still coming from a platform of love, not hate.

Yeah... those textbook makers spreading lies about the scientifically sound theory of evolution :roll:

If a community wants to teach creationism to their kids through the public school, it should only be allowed to do so in a NON-science class. And it should most likely be an elective that you have to opt-in for, as forced teaching of creationism in public schools is unconstitutional since it amounts to pushing one religion (or set of beliefs) over another.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

I agree with you in part, science classrooms should teach science, real science. There have been many lies printed in school textbooks that even after they're disproven, they still keep them in there as support for evolution.

Let's run with the notion that a community wants to get their public schools to teach creationism. It isn't hatred, because the communities beliefs are that without the forgiveness of sins, they will be sent to hell. It would be hateful and cruel for the community to know this and not want to warn their kids. Even if that's all hogwash, it's still coming from a platform of love, not hate.

Evolution has been around for two hundred years and in those two hundreds years people have spent their lives trying to pick it apart. Unfortunately for them, time and again science has shown that we, and everything around us, evolved.

I guess I don't have a problem with a museum dedicated to teaching the Bible's side of things, it's just when they try and teach that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together or that the earth is really 6,000 years old that I get peeved.

 

[ZzZGuy]

LOL. I think this might actually be a good thing. It'll shock people with half a grain of sense into realizing what a fairytale they believed in, I just hope they don't try to pass flat out lies as truth or pervert science to support their claims because there are a great many stupid people out there that can be easily swayed by pretty lies (doesn't have to be religious lies).

My biggest beef with creationism is not that "god did it", but that "OUR god did it". To say christianity out of all the other religions is the one true one and the bible is literal truth is beyond reason. Religion a creation by man, and so is the bible. Show me the evidence that jesus was not a con artist, such as proving through genetics that the shroud supposedly covered in his blood that this man had no father. Proving people and places from the bible actually existed does -edit- not -edit- prove he was the son of god, merely that people far back enough in history to know of such places and people had a hand in writing it.

Even If evolution is proven 100% fact beyond all doubt, no one can say that "god" did not intervene at some point (eg, thinker with random mutations or keep X animal from getting eaten) to create a desirable outcome. I do not support the previous ideas mentioned, they are merely a example.

As it stands creationism = god of the cracks. Science threatens what they believe and that is a very sad thing. Oh and brain wishing children into basing the world around them on lies so when they grow up it is too much for them to except everything they know is wrong and those they loved lied to them is just wrong. Wait till they are old enough to understand and let them decide if they believe.

On a final note, proving that evolution is wrong (still a LONGGG way to go on that one) does not make creationism right, just means we have to look harder for the truth.

And so ends my venture into Internet Olympics, where even if you win you're still retarded.


-edit- Oh, and my first introduction to evolution was right along side creationism in public school (Newfoundland, Canada). Both where given equal wight by the teacher, both requiring study and having tests. The mere act of teaching it showed me how much BS it was. Same on us for allowing this garbage into the public school system and taught as science, at the very least put it in a course that deals with religious topics and in no way pass it off as scientific.

-edit- ok, done with the edits so I don't sound like I have two personalities when writing this.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I agree with you in part, science classrooms should teach science, real science. There have been many lies printed in school textbooks that even after they're disproven, they still keep them in there as support for evolution.

Let's run with the notion that a community wants to get their public schools to teach creationism. It isn't hatred, because the communities beliefs are that without the forgiveness of sins, they will be sent to hell. It would be hateful and cruel for the community to know this and not want to warn their kids. Even if that's all hogwash, it's still coming from a platform of love, not hate.

Yeah... those textbook makers spreading lies about the scientifically sound theory of evolution :roll:

If a community wants to teach creationism to their kids through the public school, it should only be allowed to do so in a NON-science class. And it should most likely be an elective that you have to opt-in for, as forced teaching of creationism in public schools is unconstitutional since it amounts to pushing one religion (or set of beliefs) over another.

Fine with me, as long as no known lies or discredited science are willingly taught in a science class.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

You're casting this argument in the wrong light, maybe intentionally.

There is nothing wrong with parents teaching their children Genesis. There's nothing wrong with parents teaching their children to be upstanding moral people through the bible. There is something wrong, though, when there is a "museum" set up to show children that the earth is really 6,000 years old.

Again, I don't care about the theology particularly, I just don't like when any theology purports to be science, which is exactly what this museum has done.

 

[evident]

i hate that these people make a bad name for all christians. why can't they have a different title?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Dari
Al Qaeda must be proud. People that hate each other so much must really be alike.

Evolutionists hate Creationists all right.

I see what you did there.

Trust me, it's the only way what Dari said made any sense. Most people that work or visit the museum would give you the shirt off their backs if you asked them. Accusing them of hatred is just not only malicious without any warrant, but it's flat out stupid.

Well I don't know, creationists in many places (and nationally) are trying to use the law to force their non-scientific beliefs into the science classroom...so while they might not be hate-filled or anything, they're obviously not the nicest people in the world. I respect people of faith, any faith, but I have absolutely nothing but dislike for the people who don't follow the 11th commandment...thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself. If you want to believe in creationism, fine by me. If you want to try to tell me it's an alternative scientific theory to evolution, I will politely disagree. But if you want to try to FORCE people to treat your religious belief as scientifically valid...that's where I draw the line.

I agree with you in part, science classrooms should teach science, real science. There have been many lies printed in school textbooks that even after they're disproven, they still keep them in there as support for evolution.

Let's run with the notion that a community wants to get their public schools to teach creationism. It isn't hatred, because the communities beliefs are that without the forgiveness of sins, they will be sent to hell. It would be hateful and cruel for the community to know this and not want to warn their kids. Even if that's all hogwash, it's still coming from a platform of love, not hate.

:music:Trolling, trolling, over the hills we go.:music:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Dari
Al Qaeda must be proud. People that hate each other so much must really be alike.

Evolutionists hate Creationists all right.

I see what you did there.

Trust me, it's the only way what Dari said made any sense. Most people that work or visit the museum would give you the shirt off their backs if you asked them. Accusing them of hatred is just not only malicious without any warrant, but it's flat out stupid.

Well I don't know, creationists in many places (and nationally) are trying to use the law to force their non-scientific beliefs into the science classroom...so while they might not be hate-filled or anything, they're obviously not the nicest people in the world. I respect people of faith, any faith, but I have absolutely nothing but dislike for the people who don't follow the 11th commandment...thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself. If you want to believe in creationism, fine by me. If you want to try to tell me it's an alternative scientific theory to evolution, I will politely disagree. But if you want to try to FORCE people to treat your religious belief as scientifically valid...that's where I draw the line.

I agree with you in part, science classrooms should teach science, real science. There have been many lies printed in school textbooks that even after they're disproven, they still keep them in there as support for evolution.

Let's run with the notion that a community wants to get their public schools to teach creationism. It isn't hatred, because the communities beliefs are that without the forgiveness of sins, they will be sent to hell. It would be hateful and cruel for the community to know this and not want to warn their kids. Even if that's all hogwash, it's still coming from a platform of love, not hate.

Rarely does EVERYONE in the community get together on a religious issue, and our constitution specifically forbids official preferential treatment of one religion over another, no matter what the majority of people believe.

Still, even if that wasn't the case...there is nothing wrong with teaching creationism. But if parents really want to do that, they should do it in church. It's not education and it's not science, it doesn't belong in school and it certainly doesn't belong in the science classroom. There is no good reason I can see to try to force it to be there, except to try to teach your belief to the exclusion of any other ideas. And THAT is something that sounds eerily like what folks tried to do for thousands of years, although admittedly in a far more violent fashion.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

Do you believe in unicorns too? No, that's just fucking crazy. You prefer the imaginary friend that lives in the clouds and the talking snake:roll:.

 

[IronWing]

All I'm saying is that when they build the Dinotopia ride, I'm going.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

Yeay for god of the gaps and brain washing. Think of it as paying to have your kids freed of your closed minded thinking.

-edit- Ok, i'm sorry. Posting your opinion, or god forbid the truth is nothing but trolling the crap out of the other side of the table for funny reactions.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible...

No, it contradicts your interpretation of the Bible. You are not the authority on what the Bible does or does not say with regard to historical facts.

...and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life.

If your religious beliefs cannot survive collision with reality that is your problem.

I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

Again, it is your problem you believe in a magical fairy tale. Maybe you should spend less time spewing drivel on internet forums and actually go out into the world and learn something.

 

[IronWing]

Vouchers are the new segregation.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Maybe all the radical righties in here will move there.

I can hope anyway.

both of them?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

Do you believe in unicorns too? No, that's just fucking crazy. You prefer the imaginary friend that lives in the clouds and the talking snake:roll:.

And you prefer to believe your uncle was a monkey?:roll:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts the Bible, and therefore my tax dollars being used to destroy my religious beliefs and those of the kids of parent's who are trying to save their kids from a secular life. I'm a fan of vouchers for this very reason, so my tax dollars aren't spent to work against my own beliefs.

Do you believe in unicorns too? No, that's just fucking crazy. You prefer the imaginary friend that lives in the clouds and the talking snake:roll:.

And you prefer to believe your uncle was a monkey?:roll:

Unless you can show me a snake that talks, I'll take the monkey theory any day.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: daniel49

And you prefer to believe your uncle was a monkey?:roll:

Ok, assuming that you aren't joking could you explain your statement?

Oh and a preemptive "ah heck off" to those who are have wet themselves laughing, I want the reasoning behind it.

 

[IronWing]

Evolution does cause one to ponder The Fall. First there was cyanobacteria. Nothing to do all day but wait for food to float by and procreate, procreate, procreate. Yeah, most died but the ones who didn't are immortal, still alive today. Then along comes knowledge of sex and BANG!, now we all die, no more immortality. It's like a Paulist morality tale.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: daniel49

And you prefer to believe your uncle was a monkey?:roll:

You do yourself no favors by mischaracterizing evolution. It only betrays your blistering ignorance.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07
Ah yes. Typical liberal mentality. I'm not trolling but it is really funny to see how their mind works.

Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you agree with me.
Freedom of religion? Sure, as long as you agree with my theology.

Don't agree with me? Then you're a hater and thou shalt be punished.

Careful what you worship.

I see very few evolution supporters (not all of whom are "liberals") trying to force the local church to preach about evolution when discussing Genesis. I see a lot of creationists trying to force their way into the science classroom, up to an including the President of the United States.

So tell me again who the close-minded folks are?

The theory of evolution as it stands today contradicts my interpretation of the Bible

fixed

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: daniel49

And you prefer to believe your uncle was a monkey?:roll:

You do yourself no favors by mischaracterizing evolution. It only betrays your blistering ignorance.

I don't know. We are pretty tight with the other primates, building the internet so we could more easily fling our poo at each other.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Man has been developing religions for millennia to provide answers for the ignorant.

There is no excuse in this age of information for anyone to be ignorant enough to buy into the drivel showcased at the Creation Museum. I'm not knocking anyone for religious beliefs in general, just those who are willfully ignorant.

All religions must update or pass into history. There is certainly precedent for Christianity doing updates (notable example is conceding that the Earth is not the center of the universe). I see no reason not to update again in light of a multitude of evidence that shows that the creation story is incorrect.