The coming GOP shaping of the Judiciary

[compuwiz1]

The second amendment is about a frontier society 225 years ago. You know, when they had black powder flintlocks, mostly muzzle loading single shot smooth bores. When we thought a militia would defend us as well as a professional army. When there were hostile natives on our border, the frontier, and to our north in British Canada. When law enforcement & the military moved no faster than the speed of horseback.

I'm very happy that we don't have people like YOU interpreting MY 2nd amendment. I'm also pleased, thanks to Trump, we will not immediately have a SCOTUS interpreting it against our interests either. Should be good to go for a few decades now.

 

[sportage]

While republicans might be stuck back in the 1950's, the majority of Americans are not.
The large majority of Americans, that 2.7 million+ which Hillary won as the popular vote are not going back to the future anytime soon.
Blacks are not going to be put in their place, despite what that ALT-Right might think they have accomplished by electing Donald Trump.
And Gays will continue to marry and continue to win further equality.
Woman will continue to gain their rightful equality and that includes their rights for safe and legal birth control.
And the Muslim community including their religion will continue to advance in America.
The Hispanic population will continue to grow, more so legally than illegally, to the point where white America just might become the minority.
So on and so fourth....

I truly doubt anything that the extreme right of this republican majority does, tried to do, including their leader elect Donald Trump, and including whomever they might place on the Supreme Court, nothing they can do will enable time to stand still.
Let alone turn back the clock.
It simply doesn't for that way. It never has and never will. Not in America.

People grow, times change, progress marches forward, and those who dare resist left in the dust.
Why?
Because Americans are progressive in nature, that is in fact the core of America values and the sole reason we continue to survive and progress as a people.
And this is why it is we who lead the world, not them that lead us.
No Mitch McDonnell Supreme court will ever change this, regardless of what he and those like him would believe.
The people, the majority, American progress simply will not stand for it.
The more they have tried, the harder they have failed. Time after time.

Just because they now believe they have won something which they definitely have not, believing they can stop progress in its tracks or turn back the clock, is absolutely ridiculous.
Only a fool would believe as they believe.
They simply won one single election, not the power to control the future or turn back time.
And for them this will be their hard reality.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The second amendment is about a frontier society 225 years ago. You know, when they had black powder flintlocks, mostly muzzle loading single shot smooth bores. When we thought a militia would defend us as well as a professional army. When there were hostile natives on our border, the frontier, and to our north in British Canada. When law enforcement & the military moved no faster than the speed of horseback.

The Founding Fathers surely couldn't foresee an era of fake news being disseminated around the world in milliseconds either.

 

[compuwiz1]

While republicans might be stuck back in the 1950's, the majority of Americans are not.
The large majority of Americans, that 2.7 million+ which Hillary won as the popular vote are not going back to the future anytime soon.
Remove California and go look at the math. Trump + 2m, making the EC a necessity.
Blacks are not going to be put in their place, despite what that ALT-Right might think they have accomplished by electing Donald Trump.
Who the hell wants that, except the fear in your delusional mind?
And Gays will continue to marry and continue to win further equality.
As it should be, except equal rights, not extra rights. Trump is not against gays.
Woman will continue to gain their rightful equality and that includes their rights for safe and legal birth control.
Again, equal rights, not extra rights. Nobody is against "safe and legal birth control"
And the Muslim community including their religion will continue to advance in America.
Bad idea, in the way they want to advance. 51% want Sharia law....here. NO!
The Hispanic population will continue to grow, more so legally than illegally, to the point where white America just might become the minority.
So on and so fourth....
Who cares if the Hispanic community wants to grow? It's their God given right to procreate. Nobody is advocating they can't. Legal vs illegal immigration. On your tone, I'd better tell my white friends to get screwing, before they get outbred. Get a grip, man!

I truly doubt anything that the extreme right of this republican majority does, tried to do, including their leader elect Donald Trump, and including whomever they might place on the Supreme Court, nothing they can do will enable time to stand still.
Let alone turn back the clock.
It simply doesn't for that way. It never has and never will. Not in America.

People grow, times change, progress marches forward, and those who dare resist left in the dust.
Why?
Because Americans are progressive in nature, that is in fact the core of America values and the sole reason we continue to survive and progress as a people.
Termites are also progressive. Your kind of progressive is fiscally problematic.
And this is why it is we who lead the world, not them that lead us.
Wrong! You have been indoctrinated.
No Mitch McDonnell Supreme court will ever change this, regardless of what he and those like him would believe.
The people, the majority, American progress simply will not stand for it.
Progressives, Termites, Rats, or whatever, are not the majority.
The more they have tried, the harder they have failed. Time after time.
O'rly?
Reality since Obama took office:
Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

Just because they now believe they have won something which they definitely have not, believing they can stop progress in its tracks or turn back the clock, is absolutely ridiculous.
Liberal progress is not the kind of progress most Americans have in mind.
Only a fool would believe as they believe.
You just can't accept that not everyone thinks like you and your thoughts don't make you right and everyone else who doesn't agree wrong. That is a smug liberal attitude and a very divisive one, at that.
They simply won one single election, not the power to control the future or turn back time.
And for them this will be their hard reality.

Needless to say, I think you're a chicken little and you're full of shit. You are projecting into the future with no concrete proof of what you type. Lots of stuff in your post is pure BS.

 

[Zorba]

Merry Christmas !
Child abuse by persons in authority is a crime, it isn't speech.
It wouldn't be the first time i was called a redneck or ignorant.
Defense contractors sign away some of their Rights so they have access to classified information.
I have no desire to bad mouth co-workers.
I didn't have a cow when it happened, I just laughed.
I find it funny that you very conscientiously self-censored because you know what politically correct words are allowed and which words are not.

Talking about abuse, even threatening aduse, is speech. This speech is currently regulated at the school level or in the case of threats is illegal. But you said no restrictions on speech.

For the defense contractor, signing that you won't disclose classified information is a restriction on speech, again you said no restrictions.

So again, you only want to protect what you want to say, not what other people say. Also self censorship is a basic social skill, even when it has nothing to do with being PC.

I would also not like it if I had a black manager that called be an ignorant cracker all the time, so I am glad basic work place policies would prevent that.

 

[glenn1]

Talking about abuse, even threatening aduse, is speech. This speech is currently regulated at the school level or in the case of threats is illegal. But you said no restrictions on speech.

For the defense contractor, signing that you won't disclose classified information is a restriction on speech, again you said no restrictions.

So again, you only want to protect what you want to say, not what other people say. Also self censorship is a basic social skill, even when it has nothing to do with being PC.

I would also not like it if I had a black manager that called be an ignorant cracker all the time, so I am glad basic work place policies would prevent that.

You seem to be missing the difference between restrictions on speech as an employee versus as speech as a citizen. The teacher has a Constitutional right to speech and could use it for anything from teaching grammar, to saying "vote for X", or even making a sexually suggestive speech to a student. However if that speech violates the employee code of conduct that teacher may get fired for exercising that right to speech. If that same teacher made the comment off-duty that comment would be fully legal (presuming age of consent, not threatening, et cetera).

Now compare that the "freedom of speech" in other countries where entire subjects are criminal offenses to even discuss, such as 'did the Holocaust actually kill 6 million people" or the 4chan classic "Hitler did nothing wrong." In the U.S. you're free to say even the most asshole-ish things without fear of prosecution due to the content with few exceptions like libel or "fighting words."

 

[Zorba]

You seem to be missing the difference between restrictions on speech as an employee versus as speech as a citizen. The teacher has a Constitutional right to speech and could use it for anything from teaching grammar, to saying "vote for X", or even making a sexually suggestive speech to a student. However if that speech violates the employee code of conduct that teacher may get fired for exercising that right to speech. If that same teacher made the comment off-duty that comment would be fully legal (presuming age of consent, not threatening, et cetera).

Now compare that the "freedom of speech" in other countries where entire subjects are criminal offenses to even discuss, such as 'did the Holocaust actually kill 6 million people" or the 4chan classic "Hitler did nothing wrong." In the U.S. you're free to say even the most asshole-ish things without fear of prosecution due to the content with few exceptions like libel or "fighting words."

I agree that is how things work now, and should work, but imported_tajmahal wants that to change to no restrictions on free speech at any institution that receives federal money. I was attempting to demonstrate how that was an extreme position and he probably wouldn't actually care for the consequences of it.

I also completely agree with not trying to outlaw "hate speech" or forcing PC through law, but again imported_tajmahal was specifically against PC through institutional and public standards. I.e. he is against having any social consequences for his speech.

How about any institution the receives Federal funds cannot have restrictions on free speech?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I agree that is how things work now, and should work, but imported_tajmahal wants that to change to no restrictions on free speech at any institution that receives federal money. I was attempting to demonstrate how that was an extreme position and he probably wouldn't actually care for the consequences of it.

I also completely agree with not trying to outlaw "hate speech" or forcing PC through law, but again imported_tajmahal was specifically against PC through institutional and public standards. I.e. he is against having any social consequences for his speech.

Umm no . It was a clear question, not advocating for that position. There is a difference you know. That's why the "how about?"

 

[Bowfinger]

Umm no . It was a clear question, not advocating for that position. There is a difference you know. That's why the "how about?"

Right.

How about Imported_tajmahal is a useless, lying Trumpbot, totally lacking both integrity and intellect? Just a question, not advocating for that position.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Right.

How about Imported_tajmahal is a useless, lying Trumpbot, totally lacking both integrity and intellect? Just a question, not advocating for that position.

Not true, i am useful and i have integrity. I'm also cute as a button.

 

[Zorba]

Umm no . It was a clear question, not advocating for that position. There is a difference you know. That's why the "how about?"

You were saying "how about [we do this]" that is a proposal by you, just because it was easily proven to be a thoughtless proposal does mean it wasn't a proposal. Just shows you should think a little bit before you throw out simple solutions to complex problems.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You were saying "how about [we do this]" that is a proposal by you, just because it was easily proven to be a thoughtless proposal does mean it wasn't a proposal. Just shows you should think a little bit before you throw out simple solutions to complex problems.

It was an idea, a bad idea, but an idea. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm very happy that we don't have people like YOU interpreting MY 2nd amendment. I'm also pleased, thanks to Trump, we will not immediately have a SCOTUS interpreting it against our interests either. Should be good to go for a few decades now.

I'm sure you are. OTOH, you didn't address anything I said.

 

[werepossum]

That secretly recorded "Heller got it wrong" pissed of a ton of people, I will never trust her after that audiotape leaked.

This, exactly. Hillary's interpretation of the Second Amendment is that you have the right to be armed if and only if government puts a gun in your hands for government's own purposes. That is the very definition of an unfree people. You don't have the right of self defense - but you can be my cannon fodder.

 

[werepossum]

Because it does not represent the will of the American people. The primary process ensures that GOP politicians are moving further and further to the right wing fringe, yet the minority of Americans who support their extreme ideologies is shrinking. Look at issues like a higher minimum wage, Medicare, and most ACA provisions, (e.g., preexisting conditions, age 26, etc.) and note how the overwhelming majority of Americans disagree with the official GOP position. GOP politicians keep getting elected due to a small number of wedge issues, but the broader GOP platform is increasingly unpopular.

Hillary won fewer counties than any popular vote winner, ever. She beat the previous record holder - Barack Obama - to win with only 22% of the counties nationwide. You guys have an agenda that is extremely popular with people who like to live packed in like lemmings, and relatively unpopular with everyone else.

 

[Zaap]

The second amendment is about a frontier society 225 years ago. You know, when they had black powder flintlocks, mostly muzzle loading single shot smooth bores. When we thought a militia would defend us as well as a professional army. When there were hostile natives on our border, the frontier, and to our north in British Canada. When law enforcement & the military moved no faster than the speed of horseback.

Riiiight. And the first amendment is only about writing with quill pens by candlelight wearing a powdered wig, hand cranked printing presses, and people assembling only after days long journeys via covered wagons.

 

[theeedude]

This, exactly. Hillary's interpretation of the Second Amendment is that you have the right to be armed if and only if government puts a gun in your hands for government's own purposes. That is the very definition of an unfree people. You don't have the right of self defense - but you can be my cannon fodder.

 

[Kazukian]

Jhhnn cannot legally purchase a gun anyway, so he thinks no one else should have one.

 

[Brainonska511]

Hillary won fewer counties than any popular vote winner, ever. She beat the previous record holder - Barack Obama - to win with only 22% of the counties nationwide. You guys have an agenda that is extremely popular with people who like to live packed in like lemmings, and relatively unpopular with everyone else.

Why is number of counties a metric to go by? It's a stupid statistic to use, because you can have a lot of nearly empty counties and a few with much higher populations.

 

[theeedude]

Trump won the most trailer parks. Huge mandate.

 

[Kazukian]

The anti gun people are amusing, demanding AR15's be banned or restricted, when handguns kill multiples of the totals.

This time next year, there should be 10 million AR15 variants owned in the US. The sales numbers may actually go down with no more current fear of a ban or new legislation. Maybe they'll move onto a preemptive ban on trucks here in the states.

 

[theeedude]

The anti gun people are amusing, demanding AR15's be banned or restricted, when handguns kill multiples of the totals.
This time next year, there should be 10 million AR15 variants owned in the US. The sales numbers may actually go down with no more current fear of a ban or new legislation. Maybe they'll move onto a preemptive ban on trucks here in the states.

If Liberals start buying and carrying AR15's, GOP will ban them in a hurry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn cannot legally purchase a gun anyway, so he thinks no one else should have one.

Just trollin', huh?

 

[Kazukian]

If Liberals start buying and carrying AR15's, GOP will ban them in a hurry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Nah, that's CA, the Ar15 is pretty much banned there already, and with the new laws in a few days, they're about to turn a ton of people into felons.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hillary won fewer counties than any popular vote winner, ever. She beat the previous record holder - Barack Obama - to win with only 22% of the counties nationwide. You guys have an agenda that is extremely popular with people who like to live packed in like lemmings, and relatively unpopular with everyone else.

What a meaningless bullshit statistic & a bullshit characterization of urban life.

The "real" Murica? 80% of the population lives in urban areas-

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2012/03/us-urban-population-what-does-urban-really-mean/1589/