The Collapse of the Black Family

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Socio

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70% of black children today are born to single mothers.

In 1965 it was 28%

WTF happened?

And how much does this stat correlate with black poverty, unemployment, and high rate of incarceration? I think this is the #1 factor by far.

Are whites to blame for this? When are blacks no longer victims of white racism, and instead victims of ghetto culture?

Edit. What happened to shame? Seems like our society tolerates, even applauds, destructive behavior like this now.

Also great article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

Here is a quick summation of what happened;

It started with the great society legislation and civil rights movement of the 1960s which made it much easier for minorities to get welfare. It was at that point that government dad started taking the place of real dad. For example, you got more government cheese if you were unwed mother so couples were financially better off not getting married.

Government dad removed the burden of responsibility for being real dads, or spouses; they no longer had to flip the tab for food, shelter, utility bills etc… However that freedom came at a cost; by not having to pay for things like for food, shelter, utility bills etc gave them something they had little of before, disposable income.

It was party time, no responsibilities to worry about; extra cash in their pockets, and all of a sudden the drug pushers had a whole new highly addictable clientele with lots of money to spare. Which lead to the subsequent war on drugs that was the final death blow for the Black family structure and community.

So if there was any segment of society to blame it is the Democrats, the same ones still being voted in by doves of their victims using the same kinds welfare programs used to destroy them, to control them and their victims for being stupid enough to keep voting them in.
 

Exterous

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It's a result of poor partner selection.

Race is a red herring in this case and, as evident in this thread all too often acts as a distraction from discussing the topic rationally. (much like illegal immigration)

The issue as I recall pretty clearly correlates more closely with socio-economic and culture trends than race.

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The overall trend is an issue in our culture. The story should be "The Collapse of the AMERICAN family", or perhaps more accurately "The poor American family"

I completely agree. Go to a poor city school around Detroit and you will see that it is not just blacks that have this problem. A culture is followed that glorifies money, drugs and sexual promiscuity and links them to success. You are successful if you have slept with a lot of women, you are cool if you do/can get/sell drugs. You know what is not cool? Doing school work. Staying awake in class. Following the teacher's rules. Fashion trends are such that far more T&A is shown than in my ancient school days 12 years ago, most assuredly inflaming the already barely controllable urges of that age. The views on sex inhabit this weird, hypocritical ground where one minute sleeping around isn't cool while the next its glorified. It shouldn't be seen on TV but is readily available, in all manner of fetishes, online. Parents don't talk about it openly but everyone fawns over the latest sex scandal coverage.

This cultural trend isn't just limited to poor areas though although the concentration is definitely stronger. Why?

IMO the pull of long term destructive behavior is stronger than ever but parental responsibility is at it's lowest. Johnny can do no wrong. Susie is dressed just fine even though her va-jay-jay is hanging out because her skirt is so short. Parents can overcome the cultural trends. I have seen it happen in many a touching story. However, it takes time, effort, and consistency to raise a child and that is in short supply. It also should take planning. But its no big deal because there is no stigma about having to rely on government assistance. There is no stigma about paying child support. There is no stigma about being an absent father. As we remove more and more of the personal responsibility on parents, having a child becomes 'easier' and more people will do it with little forethought. People will be more willing to risk not using a contraceptive (esp the soon to be father)

Environment is another problem. School district socio economic concentrations are regressing. As more problem kids are entering the schools (BMG Foundation found disciplined problem have been rising rapidly among schools over the last decade), concerned parents are fleeing for better schools. As a schools reputation grows, so do the property values surrounding the school. This creates an economic barrier to attain a better education. Poor families that are still actively parenting are faced with even tougher challenges as they are forced to deal with a sub-par environment for their children due to economic immobility.

There is a more recent issue but one I suspect will have an even greater impact due to the already fragile foundation of the education system. School budgets are being slashed. Here in Michigan the number of schools being taken over by the state for financial reasons keeps growing. In the past you would have teachers who cared for the kids - who stayed because these kids truly needed a role model - someone who would care for them when no one else would.

But salaries have been decreasing, benefit costs increasing. Budget woes hit poor schools harder as they don't have the benefit of a wealthier local population to absorb some of those increases.

The ones who can get out are getting out - like rats fleeing a sinking ship. When some of the good ones find better prospects the concentration of inept teachers, administrators, support staff increases. In turn the burden on those quality employees who have chosen to remain increases. Salaries/benefits go down again. The parents who can - leave. The number of problem kids rises. This triggers the tipping point for some more qualified administrators/teacher to leave as it is no longer worth their while to stay. The cycle repeats and the environment the child grows up in deteriorates further as the concentration of destructive behaviors increases.

We are failing our children in the three most influential areas

TLDR:
Why does this happen?
-Culture
-Declining interest in parental responsibility
-Decline in overall quality in poorer schools
 
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umbrella39

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Three things:

- The War on (some) Drugs happened.

- The War on Poverty (the war to foster government dependence) happened.

- And the U.S. public indoctrination system (the federally-driven dumbing down of America), as we know it today, happened.

The truly amazing part is, the Democrats somehow convinced American blacks to support them as they were pushing this trash on them.

The truly amazing part is that no many how many "new" folks sign up here, the GOP STILL lost! From the looks of the stupid fucking posts here coming from the right side of the aisle they are going to lose HUGE over the next 2 election cycles!

Keep up the good work conservafucktards! Great OP!
 

Ausm

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The truly amazing part is that no many how many "new" folks sign up here, the GOP STILL lost! From the looks of the stupid fucking posts here coming from the right side of the aisle they are going to lose HUGE over the next 2 election cycles!

Keep up the good work conservafucktards! Great OP!

They can't handle that THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND HAVE REJECTED THEIR FUCKED UP IDEOLOGY! ;)
 

umbrella39

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hiphop / rap / crack / meth / ball game sports / social welfare programs that need to grow their base to keep / get more budget money.

country / adult contemporary / booze / xanax / NASCAR / social welfare programs that need to grow their base to keep / get more budget money.

Keep posting stupid you twat.
 

Nemesis 1

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I was born to a single mother and it had shit to do with being a "victim" of "Ghetto Culture". Don't try to slap the same label on every black child that came up in a single parent home. My mother shouldn't be ashamed for raising me or for being a single parent, she was not being destructive nor was she blaming whites for having to raise my sister and I alone.

Not all of us "feel themselves as victims" nor do all of us "take hand-outs" from the Government.

Don't be such a fucking asshole.


So how do you make a living . Your at this forum all the time . When do you work . How do you pay rent . Lets see a paystub/
 

HomerJS

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country / adult contemporary / booze / xanax / NASCAR / social welfare programs that need to grow their base to keep / get more budget money.

Keep posting stupid you twat.

/red states/ sucking off the teet of the nation!
 

Ausm

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/red states/ sucking off the teet of the nation!

It's amazing how the Repuglicants want to cut off their own base I think they are their own worst enemy which is great for our side. ;)

Can any Repuglicant here please explain how we can get your constituents to stop being such fucking freeloaders?
 

piasabird

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Black people destroy themselves. Same thing is happening to some white americans. There is probably more white trash than poor black people. All thanks to government hand-outs.
 

Nebor

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Society has sent men a very clear message when it comes to the family. You aren't needed, you are disposable and can be removed from this situation at any time. Your rights as a father are non-existent, and any access to your kids you end up with just feel lucky you got because your wife or the court systems which will side with her pretty much every time, dained to allow it.

I think this plays a huge part in it. Though I think different cultures (somewhat demarcated by race) react in different ways. I'm one of those guys that everyone says would make a great father, good with kids, well educated, high income, etc. But I'll never have kids because I've got a better than 50% chance of losing them and then paying their mom to bring strange dudes around them while she badmouths me. Sorry, I'll watch this fucked up society burn before I'll be a slave to their game.
 

Ausm

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It's amazing how the Repuglicants want to cut off their own base I think they are their own worst enemy which is great for our side. ;)

Can any Repuglicant here please explain how we can get your constituents to stop being such fucking freeloaders?

Crickets chirp'in? I could have guessed!
 

waggy

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Nowadays we have a situation where men are basically just treated like piggy banks, the attitude of a lot of women becomes "well, I don't need you around because the government will still force you to pay child support even if you're gone, so GTFO"

Men are denied access to victim services, men are denied any sort of choice whatsoever about becoming a father, men are denied any respect or power in a relationship, men are denied access to their children, and control of their money if the woman desires it.

Society has sent men a very clear message when it comes to the family. You aren't needed, you are disposable and can be removed from this situation at any time. Your rights as a father are non-existent, and any access to your kids you end up with just feel lucky you got because your wife or the court systems which will side with her pretty much every time, dained to allow it.

Also our schools now have woefully few male teachers, and the entire curriculum is more geared toward female learning. Our entire society has moved toward the more female model of worrying more about feelings than facts, and studying things which only produce jobs in re-teaching that same subject... our society has stopped appreciating or looking up to or championing real work, the work that builds and sustains a nation and a civilization. The work that has always been done overwhelmingly by men and still is.

Boys are struggling in school, in college... male identity is in crisis. Each male raised without a father figure is missing crucial puzzle pieces to becoming a man himself.

In a society like we used to have where female aspirations and educational needs were not being fully addressed, the bad result of that was some women being unfulfilled.

Now in a society where we've over-corrected for that HUGELY, the danger of wayward directionless men in a society that doesn't give them good role models, doesn't respect what they can contribute... well, the consequences are far, far worse.

Because when men are directionless like that, they start being criminals, or if they're homeless as 94% of homeless are in fact men... the services available, the degree to which the society gives a shit, is a fraction of if the homeless person is female.

But once these social shifts have even more decades to solidify and work their "magic" even more men will become wayward criminals who eat away at the fabric of society. Who make the streets less safe. Who aren't contributing to society continuing. This affliction will spread increasingly to ALL culture groups, as it is doing.


I made a slight mention about this but you nailed it.

there are many articles on it. I do think it is effecting the family and male boys in schools.


edit: i have both a boy and girl. NO you can not raise them the same. They do not like the same things or play the same way.

the maturity level and physical level between the two are very different.
 
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Nemesis 1

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70% of black children today are born to single mothers.

In 1965 it was 28%

WTF happened?

And how much does this stat correlate with black poverty, unemployment, and high rate of incarceration? I think this is the #1 factor by far.

Are whites to blame for this? When are blacks no longer victims of white racism, and instead victims of ghetto culture?

Edit. What happened to shame? Seems like our society tolerates, even applauds, destructive behavior like this now.

Also great article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

Link to family life in Africa . Link to family life in Asia . Link to family life in India . Now compare to family life in Germany . Family is a matter of perspective. I have met really nice people in all races . Don't confuse that with Good People.
 

Nebor

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Crickets chirp'in? I could have guessed!

How to get red-staters to quit being such free loaders? Cut off the benefits, obviously, which is what republicans have been telling you for decades. You know the republicans would eat your babies while you slept if they could, so I'm not sure what tempers your hand in dealing with them similarly by cutting off entitlements.
 

Ausm

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How to get red-staters to quit being such free loaders? Cut off the benefits, obviously, which is what republicans have been telling you for decades. You know the republicans would eat your babies while you slept if they could, so I'm not sure what tempers your hand in dealing with them similarly by cutting off entitlements.

But You would be screwing your constituents so how would that benefit your Party?
 

Nebor

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I don't have no problem whatsoever cutting off ALL Red States.

What a wildly realistic plan. Would those states then no longer be required to pay federal taxes? Would they gain some autonomy? It sounds like you want another Confederacy.
 

Nebor

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But You would be screwing your constituents so how would that benefit your Party?

Who gives a shit? Shouldn't we act in a way that's best for the nation, not best for ourselves or our political parties?

I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't vote and don't care to. You're all a bunch of schmucks as far as I can tell, fighting each other but eventually serving the same interests of the select few.
 

lotus503

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Her body, her choice, her responsibility.



It's so easy for a Mother to abandon her child, she cannot get an abortion. she doesn't have to carry the child to term.

In fact its even easier since the government will do nothing to prevent the mother from doing os.



And yet you have no problem with a woman running down to planned parenthood if she gets pregnant. Her body, her choice, her responsibility.



Having a child is a woman's issue. Why do you want men to be involved in a woman's issue?

After 100s of dumb posts similar to this, it's obvious you have serious mommy issues and the courts are making you pay for a child you fathered but didn't want.
 

Nemesis 1

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I don't have no problem whatsoever cutting off ALL Red States.


Good kick MN out of the union . We can give our SS money to MN. We can give our Federal taxes to MN along with our state taxes . We would be way ahead of the game.