The Collapse of the Black Family

[SheHateMe]

Women have the option to drop off their infant at a safe point with no legal consequence or without notifying the father. He will live in effective slavery for 18 years possibly with no part in raising the child if she desires it and makes the right claims. Men can be duped into impregnating without intent and from then on he has no control and no rights.

Please explain...

A woman cant "dupe" you into letting her steal your sperm unless you willingly offer to fill her up because you didn't use a condom. Some guys are dumb enough to think that being on the pill means they can have raw sex.

Some guys are just dumb...

 

[Ns1]

Please explain...

A woman cant "dupe" you into letting her steal your sperm unless you willingly offer to fill her up because you didn't use a condom. Some guys are dumb enough to think that being on the pill means they can have raw sex.

Some guys are just dumb...

Friend was duped, long term GF was on the pill, went off the pill w/o telling BF.

Had baby in order to trap friend into relationship

 

[werepossum]

Friend was duped, long term GF was on the pill, went off the pill w/o telling BF.

Had baby in order to trap friend into relationship

News flash - the pill is not perfect either. Pregnancy rates for users of oral contraceptives range from 2% to 8% - out of every thousand women using the pill, between 20 and 80 will become pregnant each year. Women forget to take them, they run out, they take food or drugs that interfere, or they are just plain unlucky. In supervised clinical trials where proper use is guaranteed that falls to less than one percent, but it's still never perfect - and not many relationships take place within the confines of clinical trials.

Besides exhibiting arguably poor choice in women, your friend has an overdeveloped respect for medical science.

EDIT: Took me literally fifteen seconds to find this link, and I'm not having sex with anyone who isn't my wife. For all who are sexually active and don't want a baby, educate thyself. If you leave the woman solely in charge of birth control, then don't whine when sex leads to pregnancy. You are literally saying "I leave the decision of whether or not to have a baby to you, dear."
http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/summarychart.html

 

[Nemesis 1]

Come on Nem, I know you're old but surely even you remember the teenage couples game "Just the tip"

Ya I do know from experiance . I made a mistake once I took an almost passed out female to the promised land . I will never forget that night as long as I live . As far as I am concerned it was rape . No I didn't force her but it was rape. I will never forget it ever . The shame is overwhelming.

 

[Ns1]

News flash - the pill is not perfect either. Pregnancy rates for users of oral contraceptives range from 2% to 8% - out of every thousand women using the pill, between 20 and 80 will become pregnant each year. Women forget to take them, they run out, they take food or drugs that interfere, or they are just plain unlucky. In supervised clinical trials where proper use is guaranteed that falls to less than one percent, but it's still never perfect - and not many relationships take place within the confines of clinical trials.

Besides exhibiting arguably poor choice in women, your friend has an overdeveloped respect for medical science.

Well if my friend would have known the girl wasn't on the pill he would have taken measures to protect himself ie use a condom to prevent her from harvesting his sperm. if she would have gotten pregnant anyway then fine, he took an 8-12% gamble and lost.

as it stands she duped the shit out of him.

 

[Attic]

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Find policy that moves folks off of welfare and foodstamps rather than keeping folks on those programs. You don't need to judge anyone on the program by their ethnicity or skin color, everyone is involved, and for those who stay it is fine. You simply measure the true compassion of a given policy in regards to welfare and foodstamp recipients not by on how many are added to the program, but rather by how many are lifted from it. Lib/Conserves have not shown compassion here, but it is the left that measures it's worth by intentions and not results (the lynchpin of their enacted policy).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

 

[SheHateMe]

Weird lag double post.

 

[SheHateMe]

Friend was duped, long term GF was on the pill, went off the pill w/o telling BF.

Had baby in order to trap friend into relationship

So like I said before...some men are foolish enough to think that a woman being on the pill = impossible to have baby.

There is a plethora of information out there that will tell you that the pill is not the end-all.

How do you blame for your friend's ignorance?

Well if my friend would have known the girl wasn't on the pill he would have taken measures to protect himself ie use a condom to prevent her from harvesting his sperm. if she would have gotten pregnant anyway then fine, he took an 8-12% gamble and lost.

as it stands she duped the shit out of him.

Why is it her fault that she missed a dose of her birth control or whatever the case was? Your friend obviously didn't want to be a father..and didn't want her to "harvest" his sperm. So he should have been wearing a condom from the get-go.

Its always somebody else's fault...

He duped the shit out of himself and ended up with a child. Blame the female for "trapping" him. He wasn't being smart. Once again...a plethora of information about the Pill and other forms of Birth Control.. yes...that included CONDOMS, you know, the ones that men wear?

 

[nehalem256]

The issue is sex has the potential to lead to children. The man is making his choice when he has sex, the woman gets to make the choice after, because it's her body.

You mean its her body until the fetus reaches 24* weeks gestation in which case it magically stops being her body.

*or whatever number you personally feel is appropriate.

I don't see it that way.. They BOTH have a choice, Women just have longer to make the decision.

Man always has a choice not to put his ding-a-ling in or wrap it up if he doesn't want to pay for it.. His window to terminate starts at penetration and lasts about 7-10min ( or less according to my wife)

Woman alone has to carry the baby to term, and can do so without any effort whatsoever from the man.

Because of this, her "choice" to terminate the pregnancy has a larger window than the man (right up to the point of viability)

Once the child has passed this threshold, the child is the responsibility of BOTH parents.

So by the logic you are presenting Republican's are not actually anti-choice, they just believe that woman's choice occurs at the same time as the man's choice. Almost sounds like Republican's believe in equality :hmm:

 

[nehalem256]

Women have the option to drop off their infant at a safe point with no legal consequence or without notifying the father. He will live in effective slavery for 18 years possibly with no part in raising the child if she desires it and makes the right claims. Men can be duped into impregnating without intent and from then on he has no control and no rights.

This is pretty much the most damning indictment of liberals believing in equality.

Even given ample time to choose to have an abortion liberals still are not willing to force women to be responsible.

Put another way apparently expecting a man to be responsible for 18 years for a child he didn't want is reasonable, but expecting a woman to not kill her child is unreasonable.

 

[nehalem256]

Issue is apparent when you have a high income father and low income mother.

I pay 1k per month for one kid and have %40 custody, I also provide medical and dental.

Mom has worked part time and gone to school for the last 10 years, remarried and has 2 other kids, her husband is low wage earner.

I know I pay almost all of the rent despite having my son close to half the time. I buy most of the clothes, shoes, sports activities, allowance, etc.

But I am happy to do it, they live in a good area, good school district and my son benefits from this.

While I know the money I pay goes for things not related to my son, I just don't care because even if I am subsidizing the quality of life for their entire family he is benefitting.

In 5 more years they are on their own though

So basically you are paying $1666/month (adjusting for the 60/40 custody split) in support for one kid. Since when did kids start costing $20,000 a year + medical and dental( and this is assuming your ex-wife provides no support for him). So much for equality huh?

Bolded: So you don't care that your ex-wife is essentially stealing from you? Did you hand your balls over to her as part of the divorce settlement?

 

[Yreka]

Ya I do know from experiance . I made a mistake once I took an almost passed out female to the promised land . I will never forget that night as long as I live . As far as I am concerned it was rape . No I didn't force her but it was rape. I will never forget it ever . The shame is overwhelming.

I can tell, you keep bringing rape, getting women drunk, taking advantage etc up when it couldn't be further from the discussion.

Not to go all Moonbeam but maybe its time to forgive yourself & move on.

 

[Yreka]

So by the logic you are presenting Republican's are not actually anti-choice, they just believe that woman's choice occurs at the same time as the man's choice. Almost sounds like Republican's believe in equality :hmm:

I don't know what Republicans do or don't believe on the topic, I wasn't really trying to debate abortion. Its legal thus the "extra time". If it was not legal, then the logic still stands.
If you are trying to debate weather it should or shouldn't be legal, then you should start another thread.

 

[lotus503]

So basically you are paying $1666/month (adjusting for the 60/40 custody split) in support for one kid. Since when did kids start costing $20,000 a year + medical and dental( and this is assuming your ex-wife provides no support for him). So much for equality huh?

Bolded: So you don't care that your ex-wife is essentially stealing from you? Did you hand your balls over to her as part of the divorce settlement?

It wasn't an ex wife and I make over 120k a year more than her total household income. I know you find it difficult to think outside of your own interest but I don't.

 

[nehalem256]

It wasn't an ex wife and I make over 120k a year more than her total household income. I know you find it difficult to think outside of your own interest but I don't.

So, you think if a woman gets knocked up it entitles her to your money to spend on herself . Talk about encouraging bad behavior

So where does your baby momma keep your balls?

 

[SheHateMe]

So, you think if a woman gets knocked up it entitles her to your money to spend on herself . Talk about encouraging bad behavior

So where does your baby momma keep your balls?

I guess you missed the parts where Lotus said that his child support contributions has given his son a good quality of life, he is clothed, fed, and lives in a good area which probably has good schools.

If he was paying Child support and his son wasn't getting any of that..then he'd have a problem. Even then, its still none of your business.


Do you even have a family?

 

[lotus503]

So, you think if a woman gets knocked up it entitles her to your money to spend on herself . Talk about encouraging bad behavior

So where does your baby momma keep your balls?

I see that your too ignorant to understand that I don't think the quality of life my son receives the %60 he is with his mom should be less than the %40 he is with me.

My balls are fine thanks for thinking about them though.

Maybe one day you won't be so angry at your baby's momma you will actually take care of it without so much anger.

 

[lotus503]

I guess you missed the parts where Lotus said that his child support contributions has given his son a good quality of life, he is clothed, fed, and lives in a good area which probably has good schools.

If he was paying Child support and his son wasn't getting any of that..then he'd have a problem. Even then, its still none of your business.


Do you even have a family?

Naw it's cool I brought it up, He thinks taking care of ones child is bad, I think it's good and healthy for the child.

Hopefully that full contrast is apparent.

 

[nehalem256]

Naw it's cool I brought it up, He thinks taking care of ones child is bad, I think it's good and healthy for the child.

Hopefully that full contrast is apparent.

While I know the money I pay goes for things not related to my son

I think a woman getting her lifestyle subsidized because she spread her legs is bad.

 

[nehalem256]

I see that your too ignorant to understand that I don't think the quality of life my son receives the %60 he is with his mom should be less than the %40 he is with me.

If the quality of life he receives with you is so much better maybe he should live with you more?

 

[Jadow]

Indeed. I suspect most of it.

so if we didn't have drug laws, all these people would be holding down jobs and supporting a healthy nuclear family?

 

[Jadow]

Go to 3hours, 28minutes on this, and just watch it for 3-5 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc

Made me realize the extent of modern racism. I used to be more of the "get over it, it happened 200 years ago" crowd but it seems more insidious. Imagine trying to get ahead while paying slightly higher interest, slightly higher insurance, slightly higher everything you need to get ahead, hard to get a loan for a house, etc. And just the issuing of loans, helps the general economy in that area. Look at the difference.

thx for the link that ticks me off

 

[piasabird]

The title of the thread is just a race bating trap.

There are poor and rich of every race. Everyone is free to succeed.

 

[SheHateMe]

If the quality of life he receives with you is so much better maybe he should live with you more?

How do you know the 60/40 custody wasn't a mutual agreement between the two....that's right, you don't know.

 

[nehalem256]

How do you know the 60/40 custody wasn't a mutual agreement between the two....that's right, you don't know.

I personally have gone to court fought for custody when mom only wanted the money for support and me gone.

Sounds like she wanted 100% custody and for him to just write her checks.