The Cognitive Decline Disinformation Campaign Being Launched Against Biden

[Greenman]

Conservatives have been making this same claim since 2019 and Biden has done an incredible job in office. If this is what dementia looks like we need more demented politicians.

Regardless even if this were true it looks likely that the choice will be between Biden and the guy who literally attempted to end American democracy. Who gives a shit? The vote is always against the guy who tried a coup.

And it looks like the guy who attempted a coup has a shot because of the great job Joe is doing.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

 

[fskimospy]

And it looks like the guy who attempted a coup has a shot because of the great job Joe is doing.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Joe is doing a great job, yes. Hard to think of a president with more accomplishments with smaller legislative majorities in modern history.

All that aside, as I said any major party nominee has a shot, even one as widely disliked as Trump. Doesn't change the fact that Trump attempted a coup and Republicans are fine with it. The guy literally attempted to end American democracy and Republicans don't care. Why do you think they decided coups aren't bad?

 

[dainthomas]

If he died tonight, not 1 person would be shocked.

Him and Trump both exceed the average male life expectancy in the US, so it wouldn't be a shock for either one. Would be nice if there was an upper age limit.

 

[fskimospy]

Him and Trump both exceed the average male life expectancy in the US, so it wouldn't be a shock for either one. Would be nice if there was an upper age limit.

Also important to note that the way actuarial tables work is not life expectancy from birth, it's life expectancy from your current age. At age 81 the average man is expected to live a bit over 7 more years. Biden is by all indications in better shape than most and has access to the finest health care there is, so I would peg his extra years a bit higher than that.

Actuarial Life Table

Actuarial Life Table

www.ssa.gov

 

[thilanliyan]

And it looks like the guy who attempted a coup has a shot because of the great job Joe is doing.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Trump's popularity is all about the propaganda and programming of most voters to just vote Dem or GOP, ie. they don't think critically when Fox News et al. spoon feeds their feels.

Nothing to do with Biden's actual accomplishments.

Much like "Obamacare" actually helping GOP voters in "poorer" states run by terrible GOP politicians...didn't matter who helped them out...they'll still vote GOP since they're brainwashed to do so.

 

[JD50]

And it looks like the guy who attempted a coup has a shot because of the great job Joe is doing.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

The guy who attempted a coup has a shot because a large portion of this country don't actually give a fuck about Democracy.

 

[Brainonska511]

The guy who attempted a coup has a shot because a large portion of this country don't actually give a fuck about Democracy.

Some people live in a universe where they define democracy as "I get everything I want and I don't have to compromise."

 

[dainthomas]

Also important to note that the way actuarial tables work is not life expectancy from birth, it's life expectancy from your current age. At age 81 the average man is expected to live a bit over 7 more years. Biden is by all indications in better shape than most and has access to the finest health care there is, so I would peg his extra years a bit higher than that.

Actuarial Life Table

Actuarial Life Table

www.ssa.gov

Interesting.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump's popularity is all about the propaganda and programming of most voters to just vote Dem or GOP, ie. they don't think critically when Fox News et al. spoon feeds their feels.

Nothing to do with Biden's actual accomplishments.

Much like "Obamacare" actually helping GOP voters in "poorer" states run by terrible GOP politicians...didn't matter who helped them out...they'll still vote GOP since they're brainwashed to do so.

To say that people are brainwashed (They are), this flies in the face of some fundamental pillars of our society.

We are ill prepared to deal with the consequences, and to protect ourselves, from the nature of mankind. Human rights, freedom and liberty, Democracy itself. These ideas are constructed around the belief that humans have free will. That we act of our own accord and can do so with logic and reason. That the voice of the people must be important and respected.

But what if the people are not respectable? What if the people do not care about truth or logic? What if the people are unreasonable, easily deluded zealots who march to the drumbeat of a puppeteer?
Democracy may be our best answer yet... but it still falls short of what is necessary to safeguard us. I dare say that American hubris has marched us right up to this moment of peril.

 

[ondma]

You see how you didn’t provide any supporting evidence and instead stuck with your feels?

Just look at the polls. You may not believe them, but Trump is neck to neck or even leading in some of them. The scary part is that traditionally Trump has done better than the polls suggested. The problem for the Dems is that most of the younger potential candidates are toward the liberal end of the Dem spectrum and may not appeal to independents and more traditional voters. The world is in pretty much of a mess right now. Prices are rising more slowly, but still high in food, housing, transportation and medical care. The war in Ukraine has ground to a stalemate, and now Israel/Hamas are going at it. The border is a disaster and crime is still high. These situations may not be Biden's fault, but it is easy to blame them on the incumbent, and Biden's appearance of feebleness and horrible public speaking abilities dont help to refute them.

 

[ondma]

Of course there is a gamble with Biden - he’s just obviously the smallest gamble.

This is all very simple:
1) any primary challenger to Biden will lose.
2) a primary challenge to Biden weakens him in the general election.

So unless you have a way to mind control Biden into stepping aside he’s the best bet. Simple.

That is sort of like asking "which is the best bet", jumping out of an airplane without a parachute or staying in the plane till it crashes!!!

 

[fskimospy]

Just look at the polls. You may not believe them, but Trump is neck to neck or even leading in some of them. The scary part is that traditionally Trump has done better than the polls suggested. The problem for the Dems is that most of the younger potential candidates are toward the liberal end of the Dem spectrum and may not appeal to independents and more traditional voters. The world is in pretty much of a mess right now. Prices are rising more slowly, but still high in food, housing, transportation and medical care. The war in Ukraine has ground to a stalemate, and now Israel/Hamas are going at it. The border is a disaster and crime is still high. These situations may not be Biden's fault, but it is easy to blame them on the incumbent, and Biden's appearance of feebleness and horrible public speaking abilities dont help to refute them.

Polls right now are not worth paying attention to. Also, crime is at some of the lowest levels in our lifetime.

 

[ondma]

Of course there is a gamble with Biden - he’s just obviously the smallest gamble.

This is all very simple:
1) any primary challenger to Biden will lose.
2) a primary challenge to Biden weakens him in the general election.

So unless you have a way to mind control Biden into stepping aside he’s the best bet. Simple.

#1 I agree with.

As to #2, why would a primary challenge weaken Biden if he is such a great candidate. Would not a primary challenge allow him to showcase his skills and policies and make him look stronger? Statement #2, IMO, is a tacit (or perhaps subconscious) admission that Biden is indeed a weak candidate.

 

[hal2kilo]

#1 I agree with.

As to #2, why would a primary challenge weaken Biden if he is such a great candidate. Would not a primary challenge allow him to showcase his skills and policies and make him look stronger? Statement #2, IMO, is a tacit (or perhaps subconscious) admission that Biden is indeed a weak candidate.

People seem to lap up bad information. Not so much with good information. Would love to know why.

 

[fskimospy]

#1 I agree with.

As to #2, why would a primary challenge weaken Biden if he is such a great candidate. Would not a primary challenge allow him to showcase his skills and policies and make him look stronger? Statement #2, IMO, is a tacit (or perhaps subconscious) admission that Biden is indeed a weak candidate.

Pretty simple - for any primary challenge to be credible the only way they will make up ground is by attacking Biden. Having members of your own party attack you helps the opposition.

It's not an admission that Biden is a weak candidate it's a simple rule that holds true for all candidates no matter the circumstances.

 

[ondma]

Who has a better chance vs trump?

It's not who is the better candidate on paper. It's who can win. Because if you don't win, the quality of your candidate is entirely irrelevant.

Biden proved he can win in 2020.

He won in 2020 in part because of reaction against Trump's horrible handling of Covid. He also did not have the baggage of an incumbent that he has now, i.e. 2 wars, high prices, border crisis. He is also 4 years older, and will be 8+ years older by the end of the next presidential term.

 

[Fenixgoon]

He won in 2020 in part because of reaction against Trump's horrible handling of Covid. He also did not have the baggage of an incumbent that he has now, i.e. 2 wars, high prices, border crisis. He is also 4 years older, and will be 8+ years older by the end of the next presidential term.

Really? Who are we fighting? Who did Congress declare war against? Did Biden usurp the Congress's powers to declare war? Did I miss something?

It's so ironic because conservatives love fighting and dropping bombs on people. You'd think they'd be all in for support of Ukraine and flattening Russia. But for some mysterious reason, they are not :hmm:

 

[fskimospy]

He won in 2020 in part because of reaction against Trump's horrible handling of Covid. He also did not have the baggage of an incumbent that he has now, i.e. 2 wars, high prices, border crisis. He is also 4 years older, and will be 8+ years older by the end of the next presidential term.

The US is in zero wars.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He won in 2020 in part because of reaction against Trump's horrible handling of Covid. He also did not have the baggage of an incumbent that he has now, i.e. 2 wars, high prices, border crisis. He is also 4 years older, and will be 8+ years older by the end of the next presidential term.

*Two?* wars?
Wut?

 

[ondma]

The US is in zero wars.

Of course, but we are sending billions of dollars to Ukraine (edit: with no end in sight), and of course to Israel as well, although I dont know the exact figure, and how much more we will be sending because of the recent crisis. Biden's support of Israel (which I agree with BTW) is also costing him support from a lot of Muslim voters.

BTW, our ships have in fact taken action against drones recently, and commercial ships have been attacked. I dont see us becoming actively involved in a "war", but more military action (air strikes, etc) cannot be ruled out.

 

[Greenman]

Polls right now are not worth paying attention to. Also, crime is at some of the lowest levels in our lifetime.

Not according to the FBI report I looked a day or two back.
Honestly, you're sounding more than a little fanatical about Joe. It's not convincing, it comes off like a sales pitch.

 

[Brainonska511]

He won in 2020 in part because of reaction against Trump's horrible handling of Covid. He also did not have the baggage of an incumbent that he has now, i.e. 2 wars, high prices, border crisis.

2 wars? Which might those be, because there are 0 US troops involved if you're referring to Israel or Ukraine. Those are independent countries with agency of their own, not client puppet states.

He is also 4 years older, and will be 8+ years older by the end of the next presidential term.

Yes, that is how time works.

 

[fskimospy]

Not according to the FBI report I looked a day or two back.

I'm not sure what report you're referring to but I'm certain it backs me up. Crime is at some of the lowest levels in our lifetimes.

Reported violent crime rate in the U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, the violent crime rate in the United States was 363.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

Reported property crime rate U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, the nationwide rate of property crime in the United States was 1,916.7 cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

Honestly, you're sounding more than a little fanatical about Joe. It's not convincing, it comes off like a sales pitch.

lol - I couldn't care less about Joe Biden. The only thing that matters is that Trump never becomes president again as he attempted a coup last time.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Not according to the FBI report I looked a day or two back.
Honestly, you're sounding more than a little fanatical about Joe. It's not convincing, it comes off like a sales pitch.

That’s strange, I don’t think he sounds fanatical at all.

 

[fskimospy]

That’s strange, I don’t think he sounds fanatical at all.

It's weird when people say obviously wrong things and then when that's pointed out their response is 'you're crazy!'. I'm not crazy, I'm just pointing out ludicrously false things.

You would think people would be happy that crime is near all time lows but they seem to get mad when reminded of it. To me THAT is what's crazy.