Yup, a great day for salad vegetables everywhere!
Iceberg lettuce in blond wig outlasts Liz Truss
Supermarket salad is crowned winner of bizarre competition that attracted global media attention
Yup, a great day for salad vegetables everywhere!
WelshBloke
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All the media talk is about about him, the only MPs talking about him are talking in positive terms, his odds at the bookies have just plummeted to 3 to 1, the tory electorate are practically rabid at the thought of him in charge...
It's very depressing.
MrSquished
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It's pretty amazing how fragile white people are in countries and are so scared of foreigners and not the people that run the show in their country that they vote these idiots in. The US, Britain, Italy, Hungary, etc
It's a common theme. The rich white people that run the country are not the problem keeping you down it's those super little poor other colored people, or that like to do things in the bedroom you don't approve of
It's a common theme. The rich white people that run the country are not the problem keeping you down it's those super little poor other colored people, or that like to do things in the bedroom you don't approve of
It's not that people are white, it's that the stake holders in the countries you mentioned happen to be white. The color in unimportant. What is important is humanity's depraved state of ignorance, the assumption that life is a zero sum game. If immigrants benefit from inclusion those already there will suffer a lose for whatever the new people gain. This is an irrationality induced by fear of the other created by the inward poverty created by self contempt.
People overflowing with a feeling of inward joy of being want others to progress to the state where they feel that too. But Stockholm Syndrome is a victim mental state. It's all about poor me and the intention to get even.
Goddam, it's looking increasingly likely we'll see Boris Part Deux. Clearly there are more Prime Ministerial perks he wants to collect, and more holiday leave he wants to use up.
He's still, though, under investigation for possibly lying to parliament about the lockdown parties. If they find him guilty he could be expelled from the Commons. Would be entirely in-keeping with recent history if he becomes PM and then is immediately expelled, requiring yet another leadership election (or could the Tories promptly elevate him to the Lords instead, thus allowing him to conintue as PM?)
He's still, though, under investigation for possibly lying to parliament about the lockdown parties. If they find him guilty he could be expelled from the Commons. Would be entirely in-keeping with recent history if he becomes PM and then is immediately expelled, requiring yet another leadership election (or could the Tories promptly elevate him to the Lords instead, thus allowing him to conintue as PM?)
This is also extremely annoying. Especially considering the speed with which the Tories are giving all their MPs turns at being PM.
Once you've been PM, for however short a time, you get a £115k a year payment, potentially for the rest of your life (to pay for being 'a public figure').
www.theguardian.com
Once you've been PM, for however short a time, you get a £115k a year payment, potentially for the rest of your life (to pay for being 'a public figure').
Starmer joins calls for Truss to decline ex-PMs’ £115,000 annual grant
Outgoing PM urged to forgo allowance amid cost of living crisis and cuts to public services
WelshBloke
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A lot of MPs loathe him but, unfortunately, he only needs to get 100 to support him to go to the party membership. If it's him and Richi there's no question that they'll choose Boris.
All I can see to stop it is some 1922 committee shenanigans where they get him not to stand in reward for something.
The £115k a year 'grant' for life, for just having been PM (introduced by the Conservatives after Thatcher left office, apparently) has had remarkably little publicity till now.
Given that we seem to be moving to a future where every Conservative MP gets to be PM for 15 minutes, I wonder how it's going to be possible for the country to afford such largesse? Presumably as there's no "magic money tree" it will be necessary to cut welfare payments in order to find the funds to provide the ever-growing list of ex-Tory Prime Minsters with their £2000 p/w handouts?
Given that we seem to be moving to a future where every Conservative MP gets to be PM for 15 minutes, I wonder how it's going to be possible for the country to afford such largesse? Presumably as there's no "magic money tree" it will be necessary to cut welfare payments in order to find the funds to provide the ever-growing list of ex-Tory Prime Minsters with their £2000 p/w handouts?
WelshBloke
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WelshBloke
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I'm ok with them given a bit more in their retirement but it shouldn't be paid until state retirement age!
sdifox
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elections are for losers. Tories are winners, as a country don't just love all the Tory winning right now? Are you just sick and tired of being such winners?
This is in addition to the "golden parachute". That term usually refers to the lump sum they get on leaving office. They get that as well, but this is paid yearly _for life_.
On the other hand, it is apparently audited, and is only supposed to be for 'legitimate expenses' incurred in their role as a 'public figure', so office expenses and costs of 'official visits' to exotic locations in the course of running the various 'foundations' and stuff that they set up. I presume it's audited every bit as well as MP's expense claims are (and likewise probably allows them to employ members of their families as secretarial staff).
Blair of course claims every penny, running his various vanity projects, that he somehow finds time for in addition to his role in bringing peace to the middle-east.
The generous pension is in addition to all that.
And even if one believes none of it ends up in their pockets or those of their family members, it's still an expense for the tax-payer, and one that's likely to grow the faster is the turnover of PMs.
The Conservative membership _really_ want Johnson. Threatening to deselect MPs who don't vote for him, apparently. And Rishi is being reported as having said he will drop out if it has to go to a membership vote against Johnson.
It's absurd. He was forced out in the first place for a very good reason (multiple reasons - partygate, possibly lying to parliament about that, and trying to protect a sex-pest, just for starters). Nothing has changed, other than many of the Tories have concluded that they can't find anyone else.
A tangential point - does he get to make a fresh 'resignation honours list' every time he gets reappointed and quits again? Could be an interesting way of gaming the system - have your leader quit and be reappointed twenty times each parliamentary term, get to put through 20 resignation honours lists.
It's absurd. He was forced out in the first place for a very good reason (multiple reasons - partygate, possibly lying to parliament about that, and trying to protect a sex-pest, just for starters). Nothing has changed, other than many of the Tories have concluded that they can't find anyone else.
A tangential point - does he get to make a fresh 'resignation honours list' every time he gets reappointed and quits again? Could be an interesting way of gaming the system - have your leader quit and be reappointed twenty times each parliamentary term, get to put through 20 resignation honours lists.
WelshBloke
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There is an upside (in a dark and twisted way).
If Boris comes back Truss might not be the shortest serving PM.
www.itv.com
If Boris comes back Truss might not be the shortest serving PM.
Damning partygate evidence means Boris Johnson could be ‘gone by Christmas’ | ITV News
One source told ITV News that Harriet Harman had already received incriminating material from inside No10 in relation to the matter. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
K1052
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Current status of internal Tory party politics:
Good thing there isn't a country in crisis to run or anything pressing.
The Tory party can't be long for this world, surely? It's broken into multiple factions. For starters there's the metropolitan plutocrat/hedge-fund-manager/libertarian wing (featuring Sunak and Kwarteng - the former clearly being a bit smarter than the latter) and the anti-migrant/populist/former Red Wall wing (featuring Pritti Patel and Suella Braverman).
But there seem to be other factions also (e.g the fading remnant of 'one nation' Conservatives, and the anti-woke-warriors - who seem to be less right-wing on economic issues but obsessed with culture-war topics - like Badenoch and Dorries).
And Johnson - on account being not-very-ideological and motivated entirely by egotism and a craving for the perks of office - seems to be the only one capable of papering over the cracks between them.
He's a liar with no moral compass, but he might be their only remaining chance.
All the major parties are now fracturing coalitions - the Lib Dems have always been split between moderate European-style social democrats and their own plutocrat libertarian wing, Labour are obviously divided between the moderate left social democrats and the hard-left still-believing socialists. But only the Tories are split into more than two factions.
Maybe FPTP has had its day as a system? None of these ramshackle coalitions seem to be terribly-functional any more.
But there seem to be other factions also (e.g the fading remnant of 'one nation' Conservatives, and the anti-woke-warriors - who seem to be less right-wing on economic issues but obsessed with culture-war topics - like Badenoch and Dorries).
And Johnson - on account being not-very-ideological and motivated entirely by egotism and a craving for the perks of office - seems to be the only one capable of papering over the cracks between them.
He's a liar with no moral compass, but he might be their only remaining chance.
All the major parties are now fracturing coalitions - the Lib Dems have always been split between moderate European-style social democrats and their own plutocrat libertarian wing, Labour are obviously divided between the moderate left social democrats and the hard-left still-believing socialists. But only the Tories are split into more than two factions.
Maybe FPTP has had its day as a system? None of these ramshackle coalitions seem to be terribly-functional any more.
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WelshBloke
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WelshBloke
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There is an upside (in a dark and twisted way).
If Boris comes back Truss might not be the shortest serving PM.
Damning partygate evidence means Boris Johnson could be ‘gone by Christmas’ | ITV News
One source told ITV News that Harriet Harman had already received incriminating material from inside No10 in relation to the matter. | ITV National News
Then they will have to have another leadership contest (in which Truss will probably stand again). And so on, for all eternity...'If you want a picture of the future, imagine a Tory leadership election boring everyone to death – for ever'.
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