The brits are in for a rough ride

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Indus

Lifer
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Brutal! You almost feel sorry for her but she put herself there and fucked things up for a lot of people.


She's done more for the cause of an independent scotland, northern ireland and wales than anyone in the last 300 years!

Take her gift and fix a little country than be burdened by the problems of a larger united kingdom.
 
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Net favorability down to -70 as of the 18th. Boris is at -36 in the same poll, which I suppose is a partial testament to her complete lack of charisma/charm/wit. I think the only person who's scored lower this year is Prince Andrew at -80, but I imagine she'll overtake him in due course since she's managed to fuck the entire country.

Meanwhile, in the House of Commons - in relation to a bill amendment proposed by the home secretary that would give herself the power to "apply for injunctions against anyone she deems ‘likely’ to carry out protests that could cause ‘serious disruption’ to ‘key national infrastructure’, prevent access to ‘essential’ goods or services, or have a ‘serious adverse effect on public safety’" as well as allow police to arrest "anyone they suspect to be breaching such an injunction" -

Cruella Braverman said:
“I’m afraid it’s the Labour Party, it’s the Lib Dems, it’s the Coalition of chaos, it’s the Guardian-reading, Tofu-eating, wokerati - dare I say the anti-growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption we are seeing on our roads today!”

Republican-style rhetoric and overt fascism aside, the thing that got to me the most was learning she's a Buddhist. lol.

 

Indus

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Can the King just call a general election himself because he's unsatisfied with the clown car running the country in whatever direction except the one needed?
 

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Lifer
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Republican-style rhetoric and overt fascism aside, the thing that got to me the most was learning she's a Buddhist. lol.

Yeah, a "practicing" one, apparently, a member of "The Western Buddhist Order", according to Wikipedia.

(I've known a couple of people who were into that, it's apparently the most mainstream form of Buddhism in the West, allegedly stripped of much of the culturally-specific aspects that it has in some of the countries where it's the dominant religion)

Yet she's every bit as bad as her predecessor, Priti Patel, when it comes to dreaming up nasty things to do to asylum-seekers. And new laws to prevent political protests.

Does seem that there are no "nice" religions. At best, religion has nothing to do with morality.

I've encountered a few ferociously right-wing Quakers as well.
 
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The public order bill is the kind of legislation you might expect to see in Russia, Iran or Egypt. Illegal protest is defined by the bill as acts causing “serious disruption to two or more individuals, or to an organisation”. Given that the Police Act redefined “serious disruption” to include noise, this means, in effect, all meaningful protest.

For locking or glueing yourself to another protester, or to the railings or any other object, you can be sentenced to 51 weeks in prison – in other words, twice the maximum sentence for common assault. Sitting in the road, or obstructing fracking machinery, pipelines and other oil and gas infrastructure, airports or printing presses (Rupert says thanks) can get you a year. For digging a tunnel as part of a protest, you can be sent down for three years.

Even more sinister are the “serious disruption prevention orders” in the bill. Anyone who has taken part in a protest in England or Wales in the previous five years, whether or not they have been convicted of an offence, can be served with a two-year order forbidding them from attending further protests. Like prisoners on probation, they may be required to report to “a particular person at a particular place at ... particular times on particular days”, “to remain at a particular place for particular periods” and to submit to wearing an electronic tag. They may not associate “with particular persons”, enter “particular areas” or use the internet to encourage other people to protest. If you break these terms, you face up to 51 weeks in prison. So much for “civilised” and “democratic”.


this doesn't sound good at all
 
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Lifer
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What the fuck is going on?!

Chief whip, deputy whip and Home Secretary have just quit (or been fired). There's Tory MPs publicly excoriating the party in public in the strongest terms. Tories are physically scuffling in the house!
 
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K1052

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Looks like the Tories will try everything but calling for an election that they would lose by dictator margins. So more of the same for now I guess.
 
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What the fuck is going on?!

Chief whip, deputy whip and Home Secretary have just quit (or been fired). There's Tory MPs publicly excoriating the party in public in the strongest terms. Tories are physically scuffling in the house!
time for Theresa May to return? or is that BoJo's music i hear in the background?
 

SteveGrabowski

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The main issue I see is that it looks like the voters are going to put Labor in power in a big way but then they are going to expect them to fix the country’s problems and I think those problems are pretty intractable. So, voters will look at a couple years of Labor governance, see things still aren’t better, and then toss them out.

I am not sure the UK has fully come to grips with how badly they fucked themselves.

So Brit voters are as stupid as American voters?
 

Leeea

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Republican-style rhetoric and overt fascism aside, the thing that got to me the most was learning she's a Buddhist. lol.
Anyone who has played Civ knows secret truth about what the atomic age does to Buddhists. Sweet pacifists until that integer overflows.

from Wikipedia:
Nuclear_Gandhi.png

It is not just a civ thing:
"Operation Smiling Buddha . . . India's first successful nuclear bomb test . . ."
 
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Timorous

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The main issue I see is that it looks like the voters are going to put Labor in power in a big way but then they are going to expect them to fix the country’s problems and I think those problems are pretty intractable. So, voters will look at a couple years of Labor governance, see things still aren’t better, and then toss them out.

I am not sure the UK has fully come to grips with how badly they fucked themselves.

The current polling suggests that the Labour majority would be so huge they could split into a centre left labour and a more left labour and become their own opposition. Then they would hold the vast majority of seats on all the committees and so on and could push through stuff like PR really easily.

Also by doing that the overton window immediately shifts to the left as when the BBC have the shadow cabinet members on their positions are even further left than the ones the government will be proposing and then right wing ideas would barely get a look in at all.

Given we are not even in winter yet and the NHS still has to go through the winter flu crisis further worsened by Covid and people will have to start using their heating and paying ridiculous energy bills the standard though of 2 years is a long time and the polls will close may not be true because things are going to get a lot worse.

It is almost as though they are trying to hurt everyone in their voting base. Homeowners with mortgages done, pensioners probably once the triple lock u-turn is announced, businesses with the u-turn on the reduction in corporation tax.

It would be like Trump going to a rally and forcibly giving Covid jabs and enforcing mask mandates. It is politically suicidal.
 

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Lifer
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So Brit voters are as stupid as American voters?

Needs to be emphasised that 'the voters' had no say in the current fiasco. Nobody has asked them what they think (apart from opinion pollsters). The same Truss who goes on about "the will of the people" with regard to the Brexit vote, is now refusing to hold an election.

This is more a demonstration that the UK political system is as broken as the US one.

Now we've got Hunt as "Prime Minister In All But Name" (while Truss is now PINO - Prime Minister in Name Only). I don't even know who is deciding the policies now - who is actually running things at this point? And who elected them?
 
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Lifer
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Anyone who has played Civ knows secret truth about what the atomic age does to Buddhists. Sweet pacifists until that integer overflows.

from Wikipedia:
View attachment 69464

It is not just a civ thing:
"Operation Smiling Buddha . . . India's first successful nuclear bomb test . . ."


I first read that there was a programming bug that made Gandhi far more aggressive than he was supposed to be...then I read that that was a myth and it was more that players expected him to always be entirely pacifist so on the rare occasions when he did turn aggressive people were surprised and thus this untrue story of the 'bug' got spread.

Also (and perhaps you know this and are just bringing up a related point) but Gandhi wasn't Buddhist!

But I've known a lot of Buddhists from a Buddhist country, and the Buddhists in that country seem to be a long way from pacifistic and peaceful. Just as with all 'peaceful' religions, some of them start arguing that the 'peaceful' tenets cease to apply when the religion itself is under threat. It always seems to go that way. Just claim you are facing an outside threat and you can ignore the 'pacifist' parts of your ideology.
 

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lol lasted all of six weeks. how the hell did she win in the first place?
 

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Anyone who has played Civ knows secret truth about what the atomic age does to Buddhists. Sweet pacifists until that integer overflows.

from Wikipedia:
View attachment 69464

It is not just a civ thing:
"Operation Smiling Buddha . . . India's first successful nuclear bomb test . . ."

I never understood why Gandhi was always such a dick in Civ. After nuking the Russians, Gandhi was always my second target, usually pre-emptive, because I knew he would always come for me no matter what.