The bricks are working!! SEND MORE BRICKS TO CONGRESS!

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You'll think that when they push to succede the Southern States.....

once again you are insuating that all illegal aliens are mexican and 'border jumpers'

I think he's talking more about MEChA, La Raza, and Aztlan. Basically hispanic-supremacists who want to take Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington and make them part of Mexico.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement

Wrong. Most use a generic or fake SSN.

In order to get refunds.

Look, they use the fake SSN to get a job with an employer that will push for the ID. It's not for atruistic "look, I'm being a good taxpaying citizen" reasons, it's to get a job, period. If the employer doesn't request one, then they are more than likely getting paid cash and PAY NO TAXES. I highly doubt illegal immigrants are sending in quarterly estimated tax payments for the cash they receive. And since the goverment can't track this kind of employment relationship, the pro-illegal immigrant crowd is able to say "Look at all the illegals who file taxes! It's almost 100%". Well, duh, when you don't have a clue to the other side of the equation.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You'll think that when they push to succede the Southern States.....

once again you are insuating that all illegal aliens are mexican and 'border jumpers'

I think he's talking more about MEChA, La Raza, and Aztlan. Basically hispanic-supremacists who want to take Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington and make them part of Mexico.

Oh, you mean like the current mayor of LA who was a member of MECHA.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement

Wrong. Most use a generic or fake SSN.

Wrong again. Most are paid in cash under the table. How do I know?? Because when you go through the trouble of filling out all the employment papers you are supposed to pay them according to federal minimum wage standards. Now your cheap illegal immigrant labor just became as expensive as hiring a local.
Besides using false SSNs are again illegal! Why the hell can't people get this through their heads? Take a look at the form every legal employee in the US has to fill out. See the statement right above Employee's Signature in Section 1??

I am aware that federal law prodives for imprisonment and/or fines for false statements or use of false documents in connection with the completion of this form.

By using a false SSN you have violated another law. By forging the false documents requested on page 3 you have violated yet another law. See a pattern here???

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh my God, your an IDIOT.

:laugh:
sig worthy

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: bleuiko
I didn't read the whole thread... but I think the running joke with a hint of truth is this:

If we send all the illegals away, who's gonna built that wall???

I know whose been watching Carlos Mencia these days... LOL

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: joedrake
:roll: Because the immigrants do SO much to you

did you ever stop and considering how much money will go to roughly 13 million people in terms of healthcare and public schooling? that's a lot.....

Yeah, cause they don't pay taxes and stuff. Or actually, the vast majority do...

As a group they don't pay in proportion to the government services they consume. When you consider healthcare/welfare/education/prison inmantes as a group they have an overall net negative affect on the US economy. Everyone is suffering so a few can profit off of cheap labor.

Prove it.

who cares if they are paying taxes. I work and I pay taxes. No one is throwing me a parade. There are probably lots of workers who use fake SS #s. We should force all employers who hire to verify the SS numbers through the SS department. There are those that get paid under the table. We need harsher employer crackdowns. When you have entire factories and plants shutdown because of the boycott, you know which industries needs to be looked at. We need to secure our borders and crack down on employers.

I am in full support of immigrants. I think immigration is what is growing the population but I support LEGAL immigration and am against illegal immigration which is by definition is someone breaking our laws. We already have laws on the books, we just need a politcal/social will to enforce what is already the law.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement

Wrong. Most use a generic or fake SSN.

Wrong again. Most are paid in cash under the table. How do I know?? Because when you go through the trouble of filling out all the employment papers you are supposed to pay them according to federal minimum wage standards. Now your cheap illegal immigrant labor just became as expensive as hiring a local.
Besides using false SSNs are again illegal! Why the hell can't people get this through their heads? Take a look at the form every legal employee in the US has to fill out. See the statement right above Employee's Signature in Section 1??

I am aware that federal law prodives for imprisonment and/or fines for false statements or use of false documents in connection with the completion of this form.

By using a false SSN you have violated another law. By forging the false documents requested on page 3 you have violated yet another law. See a pattern here???

This would be a nice argument if we were debating legality. We aren't. You said they don't pay taxes and I called you out on it. So you decided to throw out a couple of red herrings since you realized your orginal argument was entirely false. I'm not debating legality. I'm debating facts, and the facts are that more than 50% of illegals pay income tax, and all of them pay some form of property, sales, and consumption taxes.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement

Wrong. Most use a generic or fake SSN.

In order to get refunds.

Look, they use the fake SSN to get a job with an employer that will push for the ID. It's not for atruistic "look, I'm being a good taxpaying citizen" reasons, it's to get a job, period. If the employer doesn't request one, then they are more than likely getting paid cash and PAY NO TAXES. I highly doubt illegal immigrants are sending in quarterly estimated tax payments for the cash they receive. And since the goverment can't track this kind of employment relationship, the pro-illegal immigrant crowd is able to say "Look at all the illegals who file taxes! It's almost 100%". Well, duh, when you don't have a clue to the other side of the equation.

Who said I'm pro-illegal? I'm just bringing facts to the table. Facts are, businesses decided to use this pool of labor and taught them and encouraged them to break the law. Facts are, most illegals are paying taxes, and are less likely to use welfare than the average lower class citizen. I'm all for securing the borders and reforming the legal immigration system, but I'm not naive enough to think that we can deport 13+ million people, nor am I naive enough to think that many businesses and private citizens share in the blame. They hired them, paid them under the table, and taught them how to beat the system. That was wrong, too.

I'm for a serious compromise that will help us move forward and prevent further illegal immigration. Sealing the border will never be 100% effective without fixing our current immigration system. Just giving out work visas won't work either, as we need a system to allow people here to become naturalized depending on the duration that they've been here. They are gonna have to pay some back taxes and/or fines, as well as pass a background check, but those are things that they will and HAVE to agree to.

The xenophobic sillyness of "deporting them all" or "I hate Mexi-cans" get's a little old. I know you aren't saying those things, but all you have to do is read this thread to see how many people are saying those things.

Sensible discussion of this issue is what will bring us to a resolution. Not emotional outbursts and ad-nauseam spiels on legality.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Mill
All I said was "prove it" so don't tell ME what MY intent was.

We'll tell you what your intent is, and you'll damn well like it!

:roll:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: joedrake
:roll: Because the immigrants do SO much to you

did you ever stop and considering how much money will go to roughly 13 million people in terms of healthcare and public schooling? that's a lot.....

Yeah, cause they don't pay taxes and stuff. Or actually, the vast majority do...

As a group they don't pay in proportion to the government services they consume. When you consider healthcare/welfare/education/prison inmantes as a group they have an overall net negative affect on the US economy. Everyone is suffering so a few can profit off of cheap labor.

Prove it.

who cares if they are paying taxes. I work and I pay taxes. No one is throwing me a parade. There are probably lots of workers who use fake SS #s. We should force all employers who hire to verify the SS numbers through the SS department. There are those that get paid under the table. We need harsher employer crackdowns. When you have entire factories and plants shutdown because of the boycott, you know which industries needs to be looked at. We need to secure our borders and crack down on employers.

I am in full support of immigrants. I think immigration is what is growing the population but I support LEGAL immigration and am against illegal immigration which is by definition is someone breaking our laws. We already have laws on the books, we just need a politcal/social will to enforce what is already the law.

I couldn't agree more. The point about taxes is to prove that most of these "arguments" against immigrants are more emotional than real. We do need to secure our borders, enforce the law, and punish these businesses. But none of this matters until we figure out a compromise that fixes the legal immigration system, and then fairly deals with illegals that are already here. The Hagel/Martinez bill is a good start...

 

[JM Aggie08]

yay, i might have to buy a few. KEEP ILLEGALS OUT, ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.

and to all that did not go to work the other day, you're all fvckin morons. it's not going to change a congressman's mind.

hope you got fired

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Mill

I couldn't agree more. The point about taxes is to prove that most of these "arguments" against immigrants are more emotional than real. We do need to secure our borders, enforce the law, and punish these businesses. But none of this matters until we figure out a compromise that fixes the legal immigration system, and then fairly deals with illegals that are already here. The Hagel/Martinez bill is a good start...

I have to say the Hagel/Martinez bill definitely looks pretty good.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: The bricks are working!! SEND MORE BRICKS TO CONGRESS!

Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., laughed about the heavy bricks he has found in his in-box, saying he'll have to weigh them against the letters and calls he receives from both sides.

When all else fails, make em laff, make em laff, make em lafffff

I can see the janitor disposing of the bricks, one at a time, taking a smoke break while he's out there, at a cost of $30/hr to the tax payer

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
Wrong again. Most are paid in cash under the table. How do I know?? Because when you go through the trouble of filling out all the employment papers you are supposed to pay them according to federal minimum wage standards. Now your cheap illegal immigrant labor just became as expensive as hiring a local.
Besides using false SSNs are again illegal! Why the hell can't people get this through their heads? Take a look at the form every legal employee in the US has to fill out. See the statement right above Employee's Signature in Section 1??

I am aware that federal law prodives for imprisonment and/or fines for false statements or use of false documents in connection with the completion of this form.

By using a false SSN you have violated another law. By forging the false documents requested on page 3 you have violated yet another law. See a pattern here???

This would be a nice argument if we were debating legality. We aren't. You said they don't pay taxes and I called you out on it. So you decided to throw out a couple of red herrings since you realized your orginal argument was entirely false. I'm not debating legality. I'm debating facts, and the facts are that more than 50% of illegals pay income tax, and all of them pay some form of property, sales, and consumption taxes.

Wow.... Ok since you apparently missed it, let me bold it for you.

 

[Tom]

it's too late for Mexico, but if we hurry we can keep Canucks out !

(actually they may build a wall to keep us out..)

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Mill
Wrong again. Most are paid in cash under the table. How do I know?? Because when you go through the trouble of filling out all the employment papers you are supposed to pay them according to federal minimum wage standards. Now your cheap illegal immigrant labor just became as expensive as hiring a local.
Besides using false SSNs are again illegal! Why the hell can't people get this through their heads? Take a look at the form every legal employee in the US has to fill out. See the statement right above Employee's Signature in Section 1??

I am aware that federal law prodives for imprisonment and/or fines for false statements or use of false documents in connection with the completion of this form.

By using a false SSN you have violated another law. By forging the false documents requested on page 3 you have violated yet another law. See a pattern here???

This would be a nice argument if we were debating legality. We aren't. You said they don't pay taxes and I called you out on it. So you decided to throw out a couple of red herrings since you realized your orginal argument was entirely false. I'm not debating legality. I'm debating facts, and the facts are that more than 50% of illegals pay income tax, and all of them pay some form of property, sales, and consumption taxes.

Wow.... Ok since you apparently missed it, let me bold it for you.

I didn't miss anything other than your lack of ability to read in context and for substance. I responded to a post that said illegal immigrants didn't pay taxes and were an extra burden on the state compared to naturalized or regular citizens. It is obvious that neither of those are true.

 

[Cutterhead]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Number1
You dont want them to work but you dont want them to take a day of either. Make up your mind.

You are a moron. I don't want them to be in the country at all.

Ya ya,
How do you get rib of 13 milllions people?

Well, first you have to round them all up into groups, like at a protest... oh, wait... we missed the boat on that one.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.

It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

I never called them scum. Don't put words in my mouth. I said it isn't fair for those who followed the rules.