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i am actually in favor of immediately deploying the national guard to the southern border

small walls are probably needed in urban areas, but for the rural parts of the border, i favor national guard troops and unmanned spy planes

we could put 20,000 national guard on that board in 15 days? maybe 30 days max
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
i am actually in favor of immediately deploying the national guard to the southern border

small walls are probably needed in urban areas, but for the rural parts of the border, i favor national guard troops and unmanned spy planes

we could put 20,000 national guard on that board in 15 days? maybe 30 days max

That may be what it takes. Set up some sort of guest-worker program for the ones already here, and focus on deporting the criminals and deadbeats. And lock our borders down hard.
 
They're called "illegal" for a reason. When you do something wrong or illegal, you should get punished for it, not rewarded. Immigration is fine, as long as it's done legally.
 
They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

They do it here cause there they'd get shot!
 
Originally posted by: sygyzy
If there are not enough bricks to build the wall along the borders, you can sit on top of the parts that have been built with your .306 and teach them a lesson!

bwhahahahaha yup!

sending 4 bricks today!
 
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

The fact we dont like criminals??
Yeah, if my true colors are expecting people tof ollow the law then by God let'm shine bright!
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

The fact we dont like criminals??
Yeah, if my true colors are expecting people tof ollow the law then by God let'm shine bright!
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

The fact we dont like criminals??
Yeah, if my true colors are expecting people tof ollow the law then by God let'm shine bright!
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

The only reason this issue has risen to the level it is today is because the Federal Government has abdicated its responsibility to control our borders. Personally I am in agreement with you that these people are not felons and deserve to be treated with politeness and respect as they are sent back where they came from. At some point though, if they are repeatedly caught entering illegally, the penalty must escalate but I believe that they wouldn't even make the first attempt if it wasn't so easy for companies to flaunt the law openly by hiring them. Make the penalty severe enough on the employers and the problem will largely solve itself.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

The fact we dont like criminals??
Yeah, if my true colors are expecting people tof ollow the law then by God let'm shine bright!
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.


Orbyte,, I do understand your point, and also agree to a point with what you are saying. I can only speak for myself... I joke all the time on the illegal immigration issue. It is a frustrating dilemna at best. On the human side I for one do not like seeing poor people who are looking for a better way of life be persecuted. I see both sides of the issue. I agree that trying to enforce the borders is a never ending battle. Most Americans have in their lineage an immigrant that came from another country that helped to build this country, and I think most understand that.

The problem as I see it is that the US for so long has given so much, and now is very strained and I feel needs to start focusing on her own people. And you may not agree with what I am about to say.. but I feel it is time that America starts putting more restrictions on who can come into this country. We need to start taking care of our people for once. Those immigrants that came here legally do help to contribute to this country in very positive ways. That is not to say that the illegal immigrants have not, but in alot of ways that have strained our system. It is an issue that has many divided in this country.

 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: joedrake
:roll: Because the immigrants do SO much to you

did you ever stop and considering how much money will go to roughly 13 million people in terms of healthcare and public schooling? that's a lot.....

Yeah, cause they don't pay taxes and stuff. Or actually, the vast majority do...

As a group they don't pay in proportion to the government services they consume. When you consider healthcare/welfare/education/prison inmantes as a group they have an overall net negative affect on the US economy. Everyone is suffering so a few can profit off of cheap labor.

Prove it.
Here's a start. Text

Another. Text

Wake up.

I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You told him to prove whether or not they have a negative total impact on the economy and he did so. You didn't ask for proof of whether or not they pay taxes.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: joedrake
:roll: Because the immigrants do SO much to you

did you ever stop and considering how much money will go to roughly 13 million people in terms of healthcare and public schooling? that's a lot.....

Yeah, cause they don't pay taxes and stuff. Or actually, the vast majority do...

As a group they don't pay in proportion to the government services they consume. When you consider healthcare/welfare/education/prison inmantes as a group they have an overall net negative affect on the US economy. Everyone is suffering so a few can profit off of cheap labor.

Prove it.
Here's a start. Text

Another. Text

Wake up.

I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You told him to prove whether or not they have a negative total impact on the economy and he did so. You didn't ask for proof of whether or not they pay taxes.
I think that all of the low income/no income families do have an overall negative impact on the economy, unfortunately that will always be the burden of us as a country. So this doesn't prove anything. Are we running up unprecedented deficits as a result of illegals? are towns, cities, and municipalities in financial trouble as a result of illegals? Are illegals the cause of all of our economic problems of today? Are we really that bad off because of 12 million illegals in this country? how much more a year am I paying in taxes in order to provide illegals with healthcare and food stamps? I am curious to see how the figures factors into the overall costs of our social programs, ie, what percentage of the pie is the illegals compared to your run-of-the-mill poor American family. I guess that is another thread though..

My point is this.

We have seen this before, amnesty was the solution then, and I am sure there was quite an uproar over amnesty back then as there is now. But the alternatives just aren't feasible. No one is going to build a wall on our borders, no governor is going to want to pay the national guard anymore then they already have to in order to increase border patrols. You cannot flood our prison systems with illegals (again more $$) and you cannot, "ship them all back to where they belong." That would require waaaaaaayy more of a logistical nightmare than anyone cares to admit. People in the United States are protected by due process, meaning, you have to prove they are illegal before you can "ship them back."

It is a cycle that our economy relies upon, we grant amnesty, low wages are boosted, a whole new crop of illegals enter into our economy, the beat goes on...

 
Originally posted by: OrByte
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

Is this lost on you? If we lock down the border and have legal immigration, how many criminals will we weed out and KEEP OUT.

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.
 
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement
illegals obtain SS# illegally. Employers are not stupid enough to pay wages free and clear, so generally the wages are filed and taxed.

you can buy a SS# in LA for I think about 300 bucks if i'm not mistaken.

Oh, and if you think illegals don't pay taxes, think again.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

Is this lost on you? If we lock down the border and have legal immigration, how many criminals will we weed out and KEEP OUT.

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.
I am so tired of seeing these numbers. Stats can be viewed any which way you want, for example:

"Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare." which implies that 71 percent of illegals are not on welfare.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages. which implies that approximately 11,700,000 illegals don't live in garages. 😛

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? which implies that 60 percent of all illegal workers are paying taxes.

LOL! need I go further?

oh and btw- help me out here, I am trying to find the article in the LA times that cites these figures, do you have a link?
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: tangent1138


to give amnesty now is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant who followed the rules, studied for the citizenship test, passed, and is serving our country.

it's a slap in the face to every non citizen who joins the military, fights overseas, and bleeds for our country to get citizenship.

it's a slap in the face for every person waiting overseas for their number to come up so they can come here legally.

No, this will not happen. Our country is based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
It happened 20 some odd years ago, it will happen now, and it will happen again in the future (probably in another 20 some odd years....anyone notice a trend?)

those of you that want to build a wall, that are calling all the illegals "scum," and want to arm our borders and shoot on site men, women and children are foolish. Your true colors are shinin through and it ain't pretty.

The fact we dont like criminals??
Yeah, if my true colors are expecting people tof ollow the law then by God let'm shine bright!
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

/me taps OrByte's sarcasm meter. hmm must be broken.
 
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Mill
I don't see anything in either thread or article proving that Hispanics don't pay taxes. And I'm not talking about just sales or gas taxes, either.

You cannot pay taxes without a Social Security Number. Illegal immigrants do not have a social security number.
/arguement


True.... however, I do have a question... alot of them have illegal or fake SS cards. So if they get employed with those fake SS cards and employers who hire them start taking taxes out based on those fake SS numbers don't those tax dollars still go to the government? Just a question folks...

Also, when these companies hire these illegal immigrants knowing full well that they have know SS cards... I guess they just pay them under the table right? No taxes being taken out of their checks? or do they just get cash directly? How does that work?
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

Is this lost on you? If we lock down the border and have legal immigration, how many criminals will we weed out and KEEP OUT.

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.
I am so tired of seeing these numbers. Stats can be viewed any which way you want, for example:

"Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare." which implies that 71 percent of illegals are not on welfare.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages. which implies that approximately 11,700,000 illegals don't live in garages. 😛

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? which implies that 60 percent of all illegal workers are paying taxes.

LOL! need I go further?

oh and btw- help me out here, I am trying to find the article in the LA times that cites these figures, do you have a link?

Oh my God, your an IDIOT.
There shouldnt be ANY illegals on welfare!! Play with stats all you want, NOT ONE ILLEGAL should be on welfare!
And dont get me started on tghe crime stats.

I have no link to LA Times where the data came from.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
my point is lost on you, try not to be so shrill. I am not disagreeing with you, they broke the law. But the penalty you all are trying to impose does not fit the crime. a federal felony is an appropriate charge for someone that committs murder or rape, not for someone who enters our country illegally. At the most yes they deserve to be shipped back but we don't need to put them in jail, or in front of a firing squad, or build a wall, or belittle them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

oh and btw- the reason there will be no brick wall, or national guardsmen is because of money. MONEY. You are all living a pipe dream, but that doesn't stop you from coming across like bigots. Good job.

Is this lost on you? If we lock down the border and have legal immigration, how many criminals will we weed out and KEEP OUT.

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.
I am so tired of seeing these numbers. Stats can be viewed any which way you want, for example:

"Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare." which implies that 71 percent of illegals are not on welfare.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages. which implies that approximately 11,700,000 illegals don't live in garages. 😛

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? which implies that 60 percent of all illegal workers are paying taxes.

LOL! need I go further?

oh and btw- help me out here, I am trying to find the article in the LA times that cites these figures, do you have a link?

Oh my God, your an IDIOT.
There shouldnt be ANY illegals on welfare!! Play with stats all you want, NOT ONE ILLEGAL should be on welfare!
And dont get me started on tghe crime stats.

I have no link to LA Times where the data came from.
it's you're. 🙂
 
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