The Biden infrastructure plan

[Fanatical Meat]

What corporation doesn't use the public water, roads and electrical grids?

The non Commie Businesses dummy

 

[hal2kilo]

The non Commie Businesses dummy

Then they fight having to contribute anything to the community. As per SCOTUS cases.

US Supreme Court Addresses Impact Fees and Mitigation Measures | Reuben, Junius & Rose, LLP (reubenlaw.com)

 

[sportage]

I just figure that..... LIKE ME, Joe Biden imagines a world where super speed wheel-less trains, running on wheel-less rails, powered solely by electricity from wind and solar energy, could be the way that people get around. Imagine living in Omaha and working in Chicago, with incredibly fast high speed rail making all that possible? And to return from your office in Chicago back home to Omaha, every night, back to your family. Maybe Joe's plan does not go THAT far, but Joe is definately on the right track.

Everyone knows that if America were the futuristic America we can only dream of, that everyone including Mitch McConnell would JUST LOVE IT. Image every residential rooftop in America pulling energy from the sun to heat and cold their house and power their lightbulbs? Imagine your energy bill costing pennies compared to dollars? Imagine roads equipped with the technology to safely guide driverless electric cars? Imagine a car with no steering wheel, and the car wreck as extinct as the dinosaur?

America can have it only one way.... either we go boldly into the future, or we remain forever stuck in the past with the horse and buggy. We know how much old Mitch loves his horsey and his buggy, and the wind blowing thru his hair as horsey gallops along to Washington DC, but do we really want to follow that Mitch McConnell vision of the future, or that of Joe Biden? Do we want Joe Jetson, or Mitch Flintstone? If not for republicans only concern being with rigging elections and suppressing voters, we'd all be living right now, today, within that Joe Biden George Jetson world. But here we are, still stuck in Mitch McConnell's Fred Flintstone world while China and Japan become the Jetson's of the future.

 

[KMFJD]

damn, i'm really liking this bill

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377245266697457673

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Transportation: 621B

Housing: 213B

VA/Fed: 18B

What do you say, ATPN?

Does the first include roads, bridges, tunnels and things real people use daily? Or is it for futuristic flying electric busses and super trains?

Does the second include real houses on tribal lands to replace the decrepit shacks that exists now?

Does the third include getting rid of ineffective administrators in a way that arbitrators and mediators can't overturn?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Image every residential rooftop in America pulling energy from the sun to heat and cold their house and power their lightbulbs?

Imagine a keyboard that fixed spelling errors. Or a way to highlight them so the poster could correct them ... maybe a red underline or something.

I'd love to have solar, but the costs for the panels and batteries are prohibitive. Now if Uncle Joey could provide them for little or no cost and undo the system manipulation against home solar enacted by bribes from the utilities ....

Imagine roads equipped with the technology to safely guide driverless electric cars? Imagine a car with no steering wheel, and the car wreck as extinct as the dinosaur?

Imagine if we could drive our own cars in ways we want to, go where we want to, when we want to, without some computer telling us what to do or trying to 'protect' us.

 

[Fenixgoon]

damn, i'm really liking this bill

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377245266697457673

Waiting for conservative outlets to start saying how that will take away your right to work.... As opposed to protecting you from being fired for any or no reason at all

 

[zinfamous]

Bold yet not unexpected argument from the business community lol.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377252662756962304

Yeah, I guess Wal Mart doesn't need those roads for their trucks. I guess Industry supplies their own, clean water to run their factories from, I dunno, the moon? ...


fucking asswhipes. Amazing that this kind of brainless word-putting-together from these demons always works on the most mentally compromised of our voters.

 

[K1052]

Yeah, I guess Wal Mart doesn't need those roads for their trucks. I guess Industry supplies their own, clean water to run their factories from, I dunno, the moon? ...


fucking asswhipes. Amazing that this kind of brainless word-putting-together from these demons always works on the most mentally compromised of our voters.

I mean I know the chamber is going to be anti-tax but this does seem like the wrong approach. Try to scare people that prices will go up or something instead.

Higher taxes on corporations are quite popular and they got a big gift in the TCJA that Americans quite disapproved of.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I'd love to have solar, but the costs for the panels and batteries are prohibitive. Now if Uncle Joey could provide them for little or no cost and undo the system manipulation against home solar enacted by bribes from the utilities

I agree, I bought a new house last year and I've been looking into rooftop solar, and it just does not seem to make economic since at the current prices. It would cost about 1/3 the cost of my house, and only last about 10 years.
When I worked out the math it was very nearly break even, if I could pay for it cash. If I have to finance it (which I would) it becomes much more expensive then just buying electricity.

Imagine if we could drive our own cars in ways we want to, go where we want to, when we want to, without some computer telling us what to do or trying to 'protect' us.

Imagine thinking that you don't need to be protected from the 6 million car accidents that happen in the US every year. Imagine, if you can, a world where computers don't tell you where to go or when, but instead help you get there safely without wrecking your car. Imagine now, just for a second, thinking that is a bad idea.

 

[K1052]

fw: Joe Manchin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377664545263480839

 

[fskimospy]

fw: Joe Manchin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377664545263480839

I would love to know what Republicans would consider a public mandate to be. Apparently it’s not winning control of every elected part of government, so what is it?

 

[Brainonska511]

I would love to know what Republicans would consider a public mandate to be. Apparently it’s not winning control of every elected part of government, so what is it?

A republican mandate is winning a majority in the government with a minority of votes.

 

[K1052]

I would love to know what Republicans would consider a public mandate to be. Apparently it’s not winning control of every elected part of government, so what is it?

I think this stance is based on the belief that it is simply impossible for the Democrats to possess such a thing because they think Democrats are bad.

His position greatly simplifies the task ahead of congressional Dems though if they only have to negotiate amongst themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

I think this stance is based on the belief that it is simply impossible for the Democrats to possess such a thing because they think Democrats are bad.

His position greatly simplifies the task ahead of congressional Dems though if they only have to negotiate amongst themselves.

I think it’s an under appreciated problem that Republicans do not recognize the legitimacy of their defeat, regardless of how thorough it is.

They had the deck stacked hugely in their favor and still lost.

 

[K1052]

I think it’s an under appreciated problem that Republicans do not recognize the legitimacy of their defeat, regardless of how thorough it is.

They had the deck stacked hugely in their favor and still lost.

Fortunately the Democrats have actually decided not to agree with them for a change.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Imagine, if you can, a world where computers don't tell you where to go or when, but instead help you get there safely without wrecking your car. Imagine now, just for a second, thinking that is a bad idea.

Imagine that I (and a great many others) have driven all over the US, personally over 40 states without the aid of any computers at all. Unless you count whichever ones were involved in making and printing the paper maps. I still use them when I'm in an area I'm unfamiliar with like I was a week or so ago. Imagine that nearly a whole generation of people today don't even know where to get, let alone use a paper map.

 

[JD50]

Imagine that I (and a great many others) have driven all over the US, personally over 40 states without the aid of any computers at all. Unless you count whichever ones were involved in making and printing the paper maps. I still use them when I'm in an area I'm unfamiliar with like I was a week or so ago. Imagine that nearly a whole generation of people today don't even know where to get, let alone use a paper map.

Imagine not realizing you're now the old man yelling at clouds that you probably made fun of in your youth.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Imagine all the people that didn't expect this to happen:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-04-01/every-step-of-the-way-mcconnell-pledges-battle-over-biden-infrastructure-plan

 

[fskimospy]

Imagine that I (and a great many others) have driven all over the US, personally over 40 states without the aid of any computers at all. Unless you count whichever ones were involved in making and printing the paper maps. I still use them when I'm in an area I'm unfamiliar with like I was a week or so ago. Imagine that nearly a whole generation of people today don't even know where to get, let alone use a paper map.

Basically the only advantage to paper maps I can think of is they don’t require battery power. In every other way they are worse.

 

[mect]

I agree, I bought a new house last year and I've been looking into rooftop solar, and it just does not seem to make economic since at the current prices. It would cost about 1/3 the cost of my house, and only last about 10 years.
When I worked out the math it was very nearly break even, if I could pay for it cash. If I have to finance it (which I would) it becomes much more expensive then just buying electricity.


Imagine thinking that you don't need to be protected from the 6 million car accidents that happen in the US every year. Imagine, if you can, a world where computers don't tell you where to go or when, but instead help you get there safely without wrecking your car. Imagine now, just for a second, thinking that is a bad idea.

What solar panels are you looking at that only last 10 years?

 

[sactoking]

Yeah, I guess Wal Mart doesn't need those roads for their trucks. I guess Industry supplies their own, clean water to run their factories from, I dunno, the moon? ...


fucking asswhipes. Amazing that this kind of brainless word-putting-together from these demons always works on the most mentally compromised of our voters.

I know the head of the Nevada Trucking Association. I bet if I asked him if highways should be paid for by per-mile usage fees he'd throw a fit. I know this because I've seen him do it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Imagine that I (and a great many others) have driven all over the US, personally over 40 states without the aid of any computers at all. Unless you count whichever ones were involved in making and printing the paper maps. I still use them when I'm in an area I'm unfamiliar with like I was a week or so ago. Imagine that nearly a whole generation of people today don't even know where to get, let alone use a paper map.

Damn you young wipper snappers with your fancy paper maps and short pants. I have traveled across this great nation with nothing but a sextant and the stars to guide me!
Image a whole generation that doesn't know how to use a sextant much less an astrolabe!

 

[K1052]

I know the head of the Nevada Trucking Association. I bet if I asked him if highways should be paid for by per-mile usage fees he'd throw a fit. I know this because I've seen him do it.

Suggest a GVW multiplier too if you want to cause a stroke.

 

[Dave_5k]

I know the head of the Nevada Trucking Association. I bet if I asked him if highways should be paid for by per-mile usage fees he'd throw a fit. I know this because I've seen him do it.

Suggest a GVW multiplier too if you want to cause a stroke.

And in particular, factoring in a non-linear GVW multiplier - as highway road damage more like a 4th order power exponent on each axle weight (often referenced as the fourth power law).

That is, doubling the axle weight, results in about 16 times as much damage. Or a single loaded rig putting 16,000 pounds on each of 5 axles causes about as much road damage, per mile, as roughly 10,000 average cars (each at ~2,000 pounds per axle) over that same mile of highway.