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[CaptnKirk]

Why are you trying to convert me ?

Convert me to what ?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Train
Exactly which part of the constitution has "gone to the wind" in the past 5 years?

The only part I can see is the right to own your own land, which was taken by, oh yeah, Democratic Judges.

So 'Democratic' Judges hang for one party for agreement with a GOP Majority ?


You can't 'Give' away our protection under the Constitution, but past history shows that it has been 'Treatied' away.

umm, I said WHICH Rights, and how exactly is thier decision "agreeing" with the GOP? I didnt see any GOP members supporting that decision.

Got anything besides "teh eval repubs are bad" rhetoric?

Censorship - nowadays lead by democrats, just look at Hillary & Co's crusade,
Guns - dems want to take them away,
inheritence - dems want that too, screw whatever your dead parents wanted.
how you spend your money - the dems know how to spend it better than you do. (Retirement, Healthcare, charity, etc)

And now, the house you live in. - We know better than you, so if we decide your land is better used for something else, we will take it, sorry pal.

 

[PatboyX]

i cant understand how folks like North are taken seriously.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Genx87
This country has gone through a huge shift to the left. Yesterdays liberals are todays conservatives and todays liberals are nothing short of stalinists.

Actually, completely the opposite has happened.

While both parties have become more polarized, the dominant effect is that the US government has moved strongly to the right in the last 30 years. While we can see this effect in US Presidents, there are so few of them that it's best analyzed in Congres, where we have a large enough group of people to analyze. There are two major effects causing this shift: 1) the replacement of southern Democrats with very conservative Republicans, and 2) moderate Republicans being unseated or forced to change their views in order to keep their seats by religious right groups.

Sean Theriault of the University of Texas has done some good work analyzing this trend and its causes. You can read some of his papers online at http://www.la.utexas.edu/~seant/polar.html

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Train
Got anything besides "teh eval repubs are bad" rhetoric?

Censorship - nowadays lead by democrats, just look at Hillary & Co's crusade,

While I don't support the recent video game foolishness, the push for censorship is clearly lead by the Republicans. The Republican controlled FCC has actually committed a great deal of censorship. Hillary's just making noise about it, and if noise counts, there's the Republican-sponsored bill proposed in Alabama to censor gay authors and the religious right always wants to censor something.

Guns - dems want to take them away,

Yes, that's a major problem with many Democrats.

inheritence - dems want that too, screw whatever your dead parents wanted.

Corpses can't have rights, and no one attempted to control what you did with your inheritance. In fact, in violation of the conservative idea of a flat tax, inherited income was tremendously privileged (the first $3.5 million being untaxed) even without the recent change.

how you spend your money - the dems know how to spend it better than you do. (Retirement, Healthcare, charity, etc)

Don't fool yourself. The Republicans are even more spend happy than the Democrats these days.

At one point in time, Republicans may have been in favor of small government, but Dwight Eisenhower was the last Republican President who anyone could creditably claim to support that idea.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Train
Got anything besides "teh eval repubs are bad" rhetoric?

Censorship - nowadays lead by democrats, just look at Hillary & Co's crusade,

While I don't support the recent video game foolishness, the push for censorship is clearly lead by the Republicans. The Republican controlled FCC has actually committed a great deal of censorship. Hillary's just making noise about it, and if noise counts, there's the Republican-sponsored bill proposed in Alabama to censor gay authors and the religious right always wants to censor something.

talking about something and actually legislating it are two different things. A bunch of complaints to the FCC by some religious folk wont take away your rights. A lunatic senator on the other hand, will. I dont know about Alabama, but sounds pretty messed up.

Guns - dems want to take them away,

Yes, that's a major problem with many Democrats.

inheritence - dems want that too, screw whatever your dead parents wanted.

Corpses can't have rights,

Yet wills hold up in court every day, hmmm

and no one attempted to control what you did with your inheritance

I didnt say they did, I said they tried to take it away before you get it.

In fact, in violation of the conservative idea of a flat tax,

Wrong, look up all the popular flat tax proposals, inheritence is considered unearned income aka a "gift", and is not taxed.

inherited income was tremendously privileged (the first $3.5 million being untaxed) even without the recent change.

how you spend your money - the dems know how to spend it better than you do. (Retirement, Healthcare, charity, etc)

Don't fool yourself. The Republicans are even more spend happy than the Democrats these days.

Increased spending means increased control? Your painting with some pretty broad strokes. I would rather the govt spend more, and not mess with my freedoms, than a govt that spends less, and tries to do things for me.

At one point in time, Republicans may have been in favor of small government, but Dwight Eisenhower was the last Republican President who anyone could creditably claim to support that idea.

Don't be so short sighted. a War, a Recession, a new federal department for the first time in decades, increased educational spending, etc

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Train
Got anything besides "teh eval repubs are bad" rhetoric?

Censorship - nowadays lead by democrats, just look at Hillary & Co's crusade,

While I don't support the recent video game foolishness, the push for censorship is clearly lead by the Republicans. The Republican controlled FCC has actually committed a great deal of censorship. Hillary's just making noise about it, and if noise counts, there's the Republican-sponsored bill proposed in Alabama to censor gay authors and the religious right always wants to censor something.

talking about something and actually legislating it are two different things. A bunch of complaints to the FCC by some religious folk wont take away your rights. A lunatic senator on the other hand, will. I dont know about Alabama, but sounds pretty messed up.

The FCC is already censoring TV. The religious right is a separate issue.

Corpses can't have rights,

Yet wills hold up in court every day, hmmm

Which is irrelevant. Laws and rights are different matters. We can allow inheritance, but there's no right to it.

In fact, in violation of the conservative idea of a flat tax,

Wrong, look up all the popular flat tax proposals, inheritence is considered unearned income aka a "gift", and is not taxed.

Yes, inheritance is unearned income, which is taxed in many flat tax proposals. While some Republicans favor a fake flat tax, which doesn't tax their favored forms of income equally, a tax system isn't actually flat unless it's revenue neutral, dealing equally with earned and unearned income.

how you spend your money - the dems know how to spend it better than you do. (Retirement, Healthcare, charity, etc)

Don't fool yourself. The Republicans are even more spend happy than the Democrats these days.

Increased spending means increased control? Your painting with some pretty broad strokes. I would rather the govt spend more, and not mess with my freedoms, than a govt that spends less, and tries to do things for me.[/quote]

You were addressing government spending, so I replied in kind, but if you want your freedoms, then you certainly don't want Bush and company, with their large scale gutting of the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments via the Patriot Act and smaller provisions.

At one point in time, Republicans may have been in favor of small government, but Dwight Eisenhower was the last Republican President who anyone could creditably claim to support that idea.

Don't be so short sighted. a War, a Recession, a new federal department for the first time in decades, increased educational spending, etc[/quote]

You're mostly listing the ways that Bush knows how to spend your money better than you do--starting wars, continuing America's rush toward a police state, which are certainly less well justified, more damaging to our freedoms, and less useful uses of my money than retirement and health care.

 

[Train]

tell me again how the patriot act is taking away my freedoms?

You mean removing the divide between military intel and civilian police that prevented the capture of mohammad atta prior to 9/11? Ya god damn life sucks now that I know the Army is actually allowed to share info with police. fvck what are we gonna do.

 

[raildogg]

people are such party animals, its unbelievable.

both parties blow and there are no realistic third parties. i don't vote anyway, although I did support democrats in the past, now that is no longer the case. both of them only care for politics, not for the better future of america

there are only a few senators which are fighting for something. Tom Tancredo comes to mind. he is an amazing senator. wish more were like him. i also like Dean

i don't know why people support either perty with such conviction. remember, these politicians are out to get elected, reelected

the republicans and democrats are both appealing to the latinos, they could care less about others.

if you're going to support anyone, support those freedom fighters in Arizona who are trying to keep an order at the border and prevent more people from invading us

again, both parties blow