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Hardly "inches". More like feet. And the bystanders were well out of his line of fire. The guys damned brave by engaging the robber and having the robber shoot at him to keep the others from getting shot.
When he pulled his weapon it was mere inches from the head of his coworker, when the robber first started to run he tracked him with his gun, and at a certain moment it was mere inches from the baby and mother. I agree he was brave, and it was also probably the best time to pull his weapon if at all. but brave != smart.
I read the comments before I watched the video and I think your take on it is absolutely correct. If you pulled a gun on him and he ran but you didn't fire, the threat is still there. He could shoot through the window or shot over his shoulder as he left. To anyone thinking he simply shot the guy in the back while safe please consider those circumstances. I would agree that there was still immediate danger.
Wrong, he used her to shield his motion of drawing his gun, then reached over her and pushed her down with his left arm. It is possible that she could have been hit by the robber but its just as likely the robber could have shot them afterwards.
He didnt pull her down, you are seeing things. she ducked down on her own after he pointed his gun at the robber.
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Do you want the "no bullsh1t" answer?
It completely depends on your DA.
The bad guy could have come in and started mowing people down and you shoot him and hey, if the DA wants to you can bet your ass he'll charge you. Or, you could shoot a unarmed crook in the back halfway down the block and if he doesnt want to push it you'll walk.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Pic of first shot
Ok... This is a pic of the guy right before the first shot. The next frame is a muzzle flash.
The first time I saw the vid it looked like he was tracking the guy without checking his line of fire. But if you look, the shooter, the printer on the desk and the woman with the kid appear to be in a line that is perpendicular to the far wall. The shooter is aiming to the right at a noticable angle. While he shoots the woman moves to the left and the shooter moves to the right.
The whole thing took place in very tight quarters but it doesn't appear that anyone was in danger other than the robber.
Ok... This is a pic of the guy right before the first shot. The next frame is a muzzle flash.
The first time I saw the vid it looked like he was tracking the guy without checking his line of fire. But if you look, the shooter, the printer on the desk and the woman with the kid appear to be in a line that is perpendicular to the far wall. The shooter is aiming to the right at a noticable angle. While he shoots the woman moves to the left and the shooter moves to the right.
The whole thing took place in very tight quarters but it doesn't appear that anyone was in danger other than the robber.
I could swing a lotta ways on this one ..
I just don't know if I can justify shooting someone in the back as they flee.
I just don't know if I can justify shooting someone in the back as they flee.
His arms come up, come down on her shoulders hard (you can see them pop back up slightly) and then she goes down. At the very least he started her on her way.
Oh I see, so you werent seeing things, you are just making stuff up instead. sorry I didnt know.
randay, did you look at Whoozyerdaddy's image? It seems that, well... things were a touch bit safer than they would have appeared at first glance.
Text his arms are probably pressed up against the right side of her face, and her body is completely covered by his from the cameras point of view. I'd say at least half if not more of his body is completely shielded by his coworkers body. she starts to duck after that, and the ccw sort of shrugs his shoulders and brings his head down a bit, as if to duck himself, like if a shot got fired at him. then the robber runs low to the ground and out the door while getting shot at. In this screenshot you can see the mother and child would have been directly in the line of fire if the mother hadnt moved. Since she didnt move at all in the beginning I am assuming she thought the workers were going to comply with the robber. Pretty dumb if you ask me if I was her I'd have booked it the second I saw some dude with a sock over his head, instead of just leaving your baby on the counter while the place gets robbed. maybe she was in shock or disbelief.
um.. why does his image matter when I can just watch the video for myself? in the end it went down well, but thats not to say that he didnt put the mother and baby and his coworker in a lot of danger.
hanoverphist
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id have done the same thing, but i would have hit him. =P
edit: watching it with no sound, it didnt look like he hit at all. apparently he did? all 3? pretty good for shooting at someone in evasive mode.
edit: watching it with no sound, it didnt look like he hit at all. apparently he did? all 3? pretty good for shooting at someone in evasive mode.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Because when you look at the frame before the first shot you can clearly see the way the CCW and the woman line up and you can clearly see that his line of fire is aimed to the right.
I can see that just fine by watching the video
Of course the lady and baby was not in his line of fire, or else they would have gotten shot, but they were very close. I dunno about you, but I would not want to have bullets wizzing by 1 foot away. Hell I wouldnt want to be withing a 90 degree arc of the line of fire.
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There must be some serious problems with the foundation of that building, cause that clerk's got wrecking balls for testicles. Fvcking awesome.
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That guy is lucky charges weren't brought against him. Even if criminal charges aren't pressed (and they could be, and shot in the back is a bad shoot in most states) He is still open to civil suits from the robber or family of the robber. With video evidence showing he shot when the bad guy was clearly running away, I wouldnt want to be in his shoes.
considering the fact that there was a man with a gun robbing the place and a mother and child in the same room, i dont see a problem with him plugging the guy first. Wouldnt be the first time someone got the money and fired as he was leaving to keep anyone from seeing where he went.
Hey, how come the robber didn't just take the clerk's gun and use it against him? I hear that's easy to do.
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