The battle between Rush and McCain. Is it really about 2 issues?

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Lemon law

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Well since Rush does not like any of the candidates, maybe he will decide to run for President and endorse himself.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well since Rush does not like any of the candidates, maybe he will decide to run for President and endorse himself.

Are you kidding? That would be the worst thing that he could do. First, he would have to address his drug problems daily. Then he would have to address his racist comments daily after the drug questions ended. And last but most importantly, he would have to give up the radio show negating his own ego's need/greed for money and attention.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Harvey
There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for McCain. Why do you care what a bloated, lying, drugged out old windbag like Limbaugh says? For that matter, why does anyone care? :roll:
He has 20 million listeners. Makes him the most important non-politician in the country when it comes to political issues.

He comes out tomorrow and says he supports McCain and McCain wins the Republican nomination etc.

BTW Olberman has less than a million viewers but the lefties keep making posts about what he says?
You keep bringing up the size of Rush's audience...I don't think it's as good of a statistic as you think it is. Sure, 20 million is impressive...if popularity is a good way to determine quality.
Not sure what you are trying to imply?

But there have been many studies of his audience and his audience in general is better educated and makes more money than the average American. To think that he has 20 million idiots listening to him is just wishful thinking on the part of the lefties who want to think that Republicans are a bunch of mindless robots.

BTW if you want mindless robots look at the Paul supporters who spout off Paul?s beliefs without having any real understand of the issues at hand.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well since Rush does not like any of the candidates, maybe he will decide to run for President and endorse himself.
Are you kidding? That would be the worst thing that he could do. First, he would have to address his drug problems daily. Then he would have to address his racist comments daily after the drug questions ended. And last but most importantly, he would have to give up the radio show negating his own ego's need/greed for money and attention.
What racist comments? I have been listening to him off and on for 15+ years and don't think I have ever heard a blatantly racist comment.

Could you also explain to me his friendship with Justice Thomas or the many times Walter E Williams (a black professor) has sat in as a guest hosted his show?
 

piasabird

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McCain is like a copy of Bush.

Both of them love illegal immigrants and support amnesty for invading forces.
 

FoBoT

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i despise McCain
he is very liberal on many issues

if the general election is McCain vs. Clinton, i see no point in voting since they are so similar on most issues
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

But there have been many studies of his audience and his audience in general is better educated and makes more money than the average American.

Now this is pretty damn funny.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Harvey
There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for McCain. Why do you care what a bloated, lying, drugged out old windbag like Limbaugh says? For that matter, why does anyone care? :roll:
He has 20 million listeners. Makes him the most important non-politician in the country when it comes to political issues.

He comes out tomorrow and says he supports McCain and McCain wins the Republican nomination etc.

BTW Olberman has less than a million viewers but the lefties keep making posts about what he says?
You keep bringing up the size of Rush's audience...I don't think it's as good of a statistic as you think it is. Sure, 20 million is impressive...if popularity is a good way to determine quality.
Not sure what you are trying to imply?

But there have been many studies of his audience and his audience in general is better educated and makes more money than the average American. To think that he has 20 million idiots listening to him is just wishful thinking on the part of the lefties who want to think that Republicans are a bunch of mindless robots.

BTW if you want mindless robots look at the Paul supporters who spout off Paul?s beliefs without having any real understand of the issues at hand.

How could he have possibly made it any clearer? Popularity has almost zero bearing on quality. What's the best selling food item in America from a restaurant? Burgers/Fries/Tacos from fast food junk vendors like McDonalds? Is that supposed to tell us that since McDonalds is hella popular, their quality must be #1?

Rush is a salesman selling what he knows to be popular : pandering to a market of predictable people who only want to hear their side of the issues repeated ad nauseum. In this way he's no different from any number of similarly useless pundits who only report from the 'right' or the 'left' side of an issue.

You want a conservative voice that's not a single-dimensional moron? Try William F. Buckley for one. Walter Williams is another one.

I'm a small-government kind of guy, who wants broad domestic security (closed borders!) and freedom for all American citizens. Does that sound conservative? It used to, before 'conservatism' suddenly meant making everything possible illegal, spending all of our nation's $$$ on stupid foreign entanglements, creating redundant federal agencies, giving amnesty to illegals, and so on.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well since Rush does not like any of the candidates, maybe he will decide to run for President and endorse himself.
Are you kidding? That would be the worst thing that he could do. First, he would have to address his drug problems daily. Then he would have to address his racist comments daily after the drug questions ended. And last but most importantly, he would have to give up the radio show negating his own ego's need/greed for money and attention.
What racist comments? I have been listening to him off and on for 15+ years and don't think I have ever heard a blatantly racist comment.

Could you also explain to me his friendship with Justice Thomas or the many times Walter E Williams (a black professor) has sat in as a guest hosted his show?

First, am I mixing you up with someone else when I remember someone of your posting history (read right-leaning) saying that you NEVER (or very rarely ever) listen to Rush?

Back on topic....Rush & racism:

Limbaugh: "I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

This was on ESPN on 9/28/03

McNabb's career stats prove Rush a liar or imbecile...your choice

Here's another of Rush going a "parody" of the Hillary spade-work gaff

Rush on Darfur:

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. This is -- you're not going to believe this, but it's very simple. And the sooner you believe it, and the sooner you let this truth permeate the boundaries you have that tell you this is just simply not possible, the better you will understand Democrats in everything. You are right. They want to get us out of Iraq, but they can't wait to get us into Darfur.

CALLER: Right.

LIMBAUGH: There are two reasons. What color is the skin of the people in Darfur?

CALLER: Uh, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: It's black. And who do the Democrats really need to keep voting for them? If they lose a significant percentage of this voting bloc, they're in trouble.

CALLER: Yes. Yes. The black population.

LIMBAUGH: Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela -- who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.

Rush's "Barack the Magic Negro" parody

Rush talking about an Obama endorsement:

On the January 24 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, host Rush Limbaugh referred to Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and actress Halle Berry as "Halfrican American," stating that "Barack Obama has picked up another endorsement: Halfrican American actress Halle Berry." Limbaugh then said: " 'As a Halfrican American, I am honored to have Ms. Berry's support, as well as the support of other Halfrican Americans,' Obama said." Limbaugh then conceded that Obama "didn't say it."


Rush telling a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"

A couple of more Rush "funnies"

According to a June 7, 2000, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) article, "As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: 'Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.' " In the early 1990s, "after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: 'Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?' " According to FAIR, "[w]hen Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the 'Movin' On Up' theme song from TV's 'Jeffersons' when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting 'ax' for 'ask'-- when discussing black leaders." FAIR also reported that "In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: 'Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out.' "

I guess you missed those over your 15 years of listening. :roll:

Edit: almost didn't answer your question about Thomas and Williams....I can sum it up in three words: Marriage of Convenience".

Lots of people put up with people that they wouldn't ordinarily because they know that it will benefit them somehow down the road.
 

Lemon law

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The last Stat I heard on Rush was 13.6 million regular listeners. Now suddenly it grows to 20 million which is like saying its grown 50% in less than six months. Yet at the same time, the fellow Rush endorsed and put his weight behind does not have enough voter support to stay in a seven person republican field. Nor was the late Fred is dead able to raise enough money to stay in when someone like Ron Paul has money running out of his ears.

Its a very damning comment on exactly how relevant Rush Limbaugh is anymore. When Rush can't even deliver his political base and turn it into votes, why should anyone pay any attention to him as a political force?
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: ProfJohn

But there have been many studies of his audience and his audience in general is better educated and makes more money than the average American.

Now this is pretty damn funny.

The study in question


Judged by their answers to three news knowledge questions2, the most informed audiences belong to the political magazines, Rush Limbaugh's radio show, the O'Reilly Factor, news magazines, and online news sources. Close behind are the regular audiences for NPR and the Daily Show.

Audiences with the highest educational achievement, by far, are the literary magazines and online news outlets. Readers of news magazines, political magazines and business magazines, listeners of Rush Limbaugh and NPR, and viewers of the Daily Show, and C-SPAN also are much more likely than the average person to have a college degree.

Personally i don't listen to Rush, but he does carry some sway, and should not be ignored. If McCain does end up getting the nomination, I'm sure like most republicans he will support that choice.

 

Lemon law

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The question is my mind is what informed means? Being up to speed on issues vs. being totally ignorant is one way to rate things . But being indoctrinated and brainwashed should not count in being truthfully informed with a knowledge of all sides of the public debate.

From what studies I have seen, in getting correct answer to current questions, NRP listeners are way way better than Rush Limbaugh listeners.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The question is my mind is what informed means? Being up to speed on issues vs. being totally ignorant is one way to rate things . But being indoctrinated and brainwashed should not count in being truthfully informed with a knowledge of all sides of the public debate.

From what studies I have seen, in getting correct answer to current questions, NRP listeners are way way better than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Do you have links to those studies?
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: Lemon law
The question is my mind is what informed means? Being up to speed on issues vs. being totally ignorant is one way to rate things . But being indoctrinated and brainwashed should not count in being truthfully informed with a knowledge of all sides of the public debate.

From what studies I have seen, in getting correct answer to current questions, NRP listeners are way way better than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Do you have links to those studies?
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Unfortunately no. But I have listened to enough Rush Limbaugh to STATE WITH A CERTAINTY
that Rush is both serial murder of all logical principles and Rush also tells idiots what they want to hear. Personally I think many Rush ditto heads take vicarious pleasure in seeing Rush triumph where they could not. And due to the lack of any credible debate which is censored in the Rush format, Rush always wins.

Personally I always see it in non Prof John. Who posts some Rush revelation and then seems totally amazed when its gets totally debunked by people who engage in more critical thinking.

On those rare days where I listen to Rush, I can almost always expect a non Prof John echo
post.

But since I neglected to listen to Rush today, can some ditto head get me up to speed on who Rush now endorses now that Fred is dead?
 
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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The question is my mind is what informed means? Being up to speed on issues vs. being totally ignorant is one way to rate things . But being indoctrinated and brainwashed should not count in being truthfully informed with a knowledge of all sides of the public debate.

From what studies I have seen, in getting correct answer to current questions, NRP listeners are way way better than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Umm, yeah, you're going to need more evidence than "studies I've seen."

And to RightIsWrong, apart from the very last sentence of the last quote you posted, nothing in any of those quotes was racist.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: Lemon law
The question is my mind is what informed means? Being up to speed on issues vs. being totally ignorant is one way to rate things . But being indoctrinated and brainwashed should not count in being truthfully informed with a knowledge of all sides of the public debate.

From what studies I have seen, in getting correct answer to current questions, NRP listeners are way way better than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Do you have links to those studies?
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Unfortunately no. But I have listened to enough Rush Limbaugh to STATE WITH A CERTAINTY
that Rush is both serial murder of all logical principles and Rush also tells idiots what they want to hear. Personally I think many Rush ditto heads take vicarious pleasure in seeing Rush triumph where they could not. And due to the lack of any credible debate which is censored in the Rush format, Rush always wins.

Personally I always see it in non Prof John. Who posts some Rush revelation and then seems totally amazed when its gets totally debunked by people who engage in more critical thinking.

On those rare days where I listen to Rush, I can almost always expect a non Prof John echo
post.

But since I neglected to listen to Rush today, can some ditto head get me up to speed on who Rush now endorses now that Fred is dead?

No evidence, just what you think - I'll go with actually studies.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The last Stat I heard on Rush was 13.6 million regular listeners. Now suddenly it grows to 20 million which is like saying its grown 50% in less than six months. Yet at the same time, the fellow Rush endorsed and put his weight behind does not have enough voter support to stay in a seven person republican field. Nor was the late Fred is dead able to raise enough money to stay in when someone like Ron Paul has money running out of his ears.

Its a very damning comment on exactly how relevant Rush Limbaugh is anymore. When Rush can't even deliver his political base and turn it into votes, why should anyone pay any attention to him as a political force?
Rush never through his support to Thompson, he said many times that he had not endorsed anyone. He did speak highly of him though.
 

Lemon law

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Again non Prof John speaks more to image than to substance when he notes----Rush never through his support to Thompson, he said many times that he had not endorsed anyone. He did speak highly of him though.

While you are technically correct that Rush said it was not an endorsement of Thompson, but as they say, when it quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, you can speak very highly of the probability that it is a duck.

And I therefore stand by my point, Rush Limbaugh was unable to turn his listening audience political base into votes like he had in the past. And in politics, if you can't deliver the votes,
you don't matter.

It also may speak to the fact that the Limbaugh audience is aging, apathetic, and disillusioned.
After listing to Rush rant for years about the wonders of GWB and the GOP conservatism, there is now a huge disconnect between the Limbaugh hype and the product delivered. And when the product delivered stinks, it does discredit the pitchman.
 

PokerGuy

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I occasionally listen to Rush when I want to get a pulse of what the average idiot is thinking. Whenever I've listened, Rush was bashing McCain, Huckabee and Mr 911. In my mind, while he hasn't officially endorced anyone, it's pretty clear he was pulling for Fred and Mitt. With Fred gone, he's probably just going to wait and see. Rush will support whoever emerges as a winner.....

Incidentally, Arkaign, where do I sign up for your newsletter? ;) I'm in the same boat, I find it very disheartening that the true conservative movement has been corrupted to the point where there very few options for the true conservative who believes in smaller government, responsible government spending, free markets etc.
 

smashp

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Rush is Dying a slow death and his show will decline and die as his listeners do.

His audiance is old, Over 50% is over the age of 51. As that audiance increases in age they will need to tailor advertisements even more towards that age group. This will continue to drive the younger demographic away from his show.


Another side note, As his listening audiance continues to grow and starts drawing SS and medicare, Rush's message will become less popular and he will begin to lose his core audiance.


So as many have already stated, He is becoming more and more irrelevant every day.
 

MadRat

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I turned off Rush about nine years ago. I suspect anyone else that doesn't give him an ounce of credibility to do the same. He's irrelevant in today's republican party. History passed him by.